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Transformation Emissions Trading System。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:04.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:53.411000+08:00","text":"他們碳排減量的制度即將要開始執行了，我想要請問，在臺灣有非常多的企業繳納碳費，或者是取得減碳相關的……就是自願減量的額度，不曉得你們有沒有開始與日本進行協商，就是可以把我們國內的碳費以及自願減量的額度獲得日方的認可來減免呢？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:55.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:19:35.630000+08:00","text":"第一個，有關於協助企業減碳的部分，我們分為兩個部分來執行，第一個是在製造部門，因為國家有淨零的路徑，我們有旗艦計畫在實施，另外在產創條例裡面，我們針對於比如低碳或是節能的這個部分，也有一些相關的減免措施，至於剛剛委員所詢問到的這個工作，因為碳費的收取是由環境部主管，我們當下是關注在我們廠商轉型的部分，這轉型的部分不管是技術的轉型或是能源使用的轉型……","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:19:35.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:19:36.611000+08:00","text":"那你有沒有了解？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:19:37.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:19:41.215000+08:00","text":"因為過去我們都比較關注在歐盟的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-23T10:19:41.215000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:19:42.976000+08:00","text":"CBAN。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:19:42.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:20:13.395000+08:00","text":"對，CBAN裡面，但是我們現在面對日本，如果他們開始實施減碳制度的時候，如果我們沒有辦法取得互相抵減，或者是他承認我們在國內繳的碳費的話，有沒有可能臺灣的產品進到日本去會面臨到雙重課稅，就是同樣被課碳排稅的情況？","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:20:15.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:20:16.936000+08:00","text":"這就影響到經濟了，是不是？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:20:18.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:20:25.018000+08:00","text":"我們產品輸日的話，就會影響到所有的生產成本，是不是？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-23T10:20:25.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:20:39.362000+08:00","text":"是，針對委員剛剛所關心的部分，我會轉請我們相關單位，包括產發署，針對如何協助企業面對日本提出來的這些策略做相對的應處。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-04-23T10:20:39.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:20:47.785000+08:00","text":"另外一個部分，事實上像CBAM的徵收，包括碳費的部分，據我了解，環境部已經有在做相關的對接……","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:20:48.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:21:20.457000+08:00","text":"我知道，因為過去我們都是考慮到歐盟這個部分，但是現在面對到日本的制度已經開始要轉變了，尤其他們現在所涵蓋的是平均碳排放量10萬噸以上的企業要納入監管，對於臺灣有多少企業受到相關影響，我希望經濟部也要回去好好盤查，好嗎？好，是。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:21:21.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:21:35.209000+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是也要協助他們，輸日的企業如果未來要進入這樣碳排納稅的部分的話，對於他們的減碳設備也要給予協助，好嗎？是、是。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:21:39.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:21:40.153000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:21:40.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:21:44.857000+08:00","text":"我想要再請教公平會副主委，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:21:44.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:21:45.857000+08:00","text":"請公平會副主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-23T10:21:45.857000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:21:46.857000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:21:44.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:21:45.858000+08:00","text":"副主委，請教一下，你上次說，中東衝突導致的聯合壟斷漲價行為你要做調查，現在調查的結果怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:03.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:22.744000+08:00","text":"目前我們總共調查了37家業者，北、中、南都有，看起來，價格的確有上漲，但是上漲的幅度差距很大，供給面也有點緊縮，不過業者最近有跟我們表示，因為政府有所謂的平價專案出來，所以緊縮的情況有稍微緩減。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:22.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:33.370000+08:00","text":"就公平會的職掌部分，我們當然調查有沒有聯合哄抬、聯合囤積的部分，我們針對我們調查的結果來判斷，目前是沒有這樣的事證，但是我們持續都還在調查當中。對啊！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:33.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:34.290000+08:00","text":"你們要持續調查……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:34.290000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:35.290000+08:00","text":"是，有、有、有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:34.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:37.951000+08:00","text":"你們如果沒有調查，說不定行為就出來了，是不是？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:37.951000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:38.951000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:38.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:45.113000+08:00","text":"你們持續調查，才有辦法讓這樣的情況……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:45.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:46.454000+08:00","text":"是，我們會持續調查。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:46.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:51.575000+08:00","text":"未來如果我們面對到民眾的檢舉或反映，也會反映給公平會，好不好？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-23T10:22:51.575000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:22:55.436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