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如照示自人重傷或死亡因陌入該汽車終身不得考領駕駛執照 第三項的莫具罰緩修正為加罰新臺幣6萬元罰緩並應"},{"start":3104.119,"end":3105.269,"text":"計次 雷發"},{"start":3106.946,"end":3135.076,"text":"第六項的中斷修正違並調扣其汽車牌照四個月兩年內違反兩次者調扣其汽車牌照八個月 兩年內違反三次以上者調扣其汽車牌照十二個月 第七項的莫具徵定十四歲以上未成年之人需與其法定代理人或監護人一同參加道路交通安全講習"},{"start":3136.48,"end":3149.973,"text":"4小時為油耗等提案第21條 第一項的蓄穩緩緩及墨具均與修正為12000元以上 48000元以下緩緩並當場一致保管該汽車 六項中段修正為48000元緩緩並當場一致保管該汽車 第三項的墨具緩緩修正為24000元緩緩"},{"start":3169.772,"end":3194.83,"text":"為吳祺銘等提案第21條 第一項的續運中斷後作修正 為一萬兩千元以上三萬六千元以下罰還 並當場禁止其駕駛其情節重大者的扣留該車輛 並已請住管機關沒入資 第二項的中斷後作修正 三萬六千元罰還並當場禁止其駕駛 如肇事致人重傷或死亡的沒入該汽車外 應加強"},{"start":3195.911,"end":3215.872,"text":"責任追究並得令其參加交通安全在教育課程及接受交通心理評估 增訂第8項文字內容為65歲以上高齡者首次違反 第一項第一款規定者交通主管機關應通知其法定代理人或子系寫清並得令其參與高齡駕駛人交通安全講習課程交通主管機關得訂定的"},{"start":3217.954,"end":3240.447,"text":"訂定定期審查查核及輔導高齡無照駕駛人之管理措施為您遷期等提案第二十一條第一項的續緩緩修正為九千九千元以上三萬六千元以下緩緩第二項的中斷緩緩修正為三萬六千元緩緩第三項的莫具緩緩修正為一萬八千元緩緩第二項的中斷"},{"start":3242.997,"end":3257.923,"text":"調扣方面做修正為2個月6個月1年 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第三項的默劇修正為所處罰還最高額加倍處罰之第六項的中斷 關於雕刻的部分修正為三個月六個月一年"},{"start":3423.142,"end":3443.579,"text":"為樓庭委等提案第二十一條 第一項的續用罰緩以及墨具均勻修正為儲新台幣一萬兩千元以上三萬六千元以下罰緩並當場一致保管該車輛 第二項的中段罰緩修正為三萬六千元罰緩 第三項的墨具罰緩修正為最高額加倍處罰次 第六項的中段徵訂"},{"start":3446.441,"end":3462.647,"text":"處最高額最高額等文字 調扣的部分依序修正為三個月六個月一年委員張宏祿等提案第二十一條 地下的蓄穩滑環做修正為一萬兩千元以"},{"start":3464.229,"end":3490.098,"text":"一萬兩千元以上 三萬六千元以下罰款墨具徵訂並一致保管該汽車等文字 第六項的中斷修正違並調扣其汽車牌照三個月三年內違反 兩次者調扣其汽車牌照六個月五年內違反 三次以上者調扣其汽車十二個月委員蔡啟昌等提案第二十"},{"start":3492.441,"end":3510.269,"text":"第二十一條 第一項蓄穩滑緩墨以及墨具均與修正為一萬元以上三萬六千元以下罰完並當場一致 保管該汽車 第二項中斷修正為三萬六千元罰完並當場一致 保管該汽車 現行第六項修正為第六項及第七項"},{"start":3511.63,"end":3539.597,"text":"文字內容為違反第一項第一款至第五款至情形之一於一致保管該汽車時扣繳其牌照並吊扣該汽車牌照三個月五年內違反兩次者吊扣該汽車牌照六個月五年內違反三次以上者吊扣該汽車牌照一年 汽車所有人允許第一項第一款至第五款至違規駕駛人駕駛其汽車者並依第一項規定處罰處罰緩 政定第九項文字內容為汽車所有人以"},{"start":3540.197,"end":3562.177,"text":"散進查證 駕駛人駕駛執照資格是注意或重加以相當注意而能不免發生違規者 機車所有人不受本條之處罰委員林俊憲等提案第二十一條除第一項的訊號為此 現行六千元以上外 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委員林俊憲等提案第85條 資三以及委員陳樹悅等提案第85條"},{"start":4517.29,"end":4522.696,"text":"慈善君同委員蔡熙昌等人提案委員蔡熙昌等提案第87條第87條"},{"start":4526.038,"end":4554.922,"text":"中段作修正為高等行政法院地方行政訴訟訴訟品為委員林俊憲等提案第九十二條 增訂第二項文字內容為車輛至車窗擋風玻璃連貼隔熱紙其透光率由交通部令定資 為廖新祥等提案第九十二條 增訂第二項文字內容為車輛行駛 車道至法婚 除經主管機關評估 卻有需要並續名理由 上網公告"},{"start":4557.182,"end":4579.856,"text":"不得限制機車行駛 臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第92條 增訂第10項文字內容為 第一項有關汽車設備變更規定 其中有關更換非原形式排氣管 應使用經環境部噪音管子認證 且能對應該汽車行駛之排氣管"},{"start":4581.348,"end":4609.727,"text":"委員王思堅等提案第九十二條第一項的默劇徵訂並因每年至少召開一次修正會議邀集相關民間團體專家學者代表參與等文字委員蔡熙昌等提案徵訂第九十二條之二計策駕駛人肢體隔禍體能變化有不合規定合格基準之情形應將駕駛執照繳回當地公路監理機關重新辦理駕駛執照資格審查"},{"start":4611.568,"end":4633.96,"text":"公路主管機關未查核 汽車駕駛人患有視覺功能障礙失智症癲癇或其他足以影響汽車駕駛之體格或體能變化情形得恰請下列機關提供相關資料受請求機關有配合提供之義務一 衛生福利部主管身心障礙證明資料二 勞動部主管"},{"start":4634.84,"end":4660.618,"text":"勞工保險 勞工職業災害保險之失能給付資料 三 農業部主管農民健康保險身心障礙給付 農民職業災害保險身心障礙給付資料 四 群術部主管公教人員保險失能給付資料 五 國防部主管軍人保險身心障礙給付資料 工路主管機關經查和前項所列機關提供之相關資料任七特駕駛人有第一項所定"},{"start":4661.118,"end":4677.126,"text":"情形者應通知該駕駛人限期重新辦理駕駛執照資格審查經通知辦理藉其人為辦理駕駛執照資格審查則由公路監理機關進行註銷其駕駛執照公路主管機關一第二項規定所取得之資料應盡"},{"start":4678.567,"end":4707.334,"text":"善良管理人之注意義務 確實辦理資訊 安全集合作業其保有處理及利用 並因依個人資料保護法則規定辦理 第二項提供資料之收集處理利用 提供項目程序及其他相關事項之辦法由交通部會商相關主管機關定之 委員林思敏等提案第九十二條之二 除第三項的中斷定為於一個月內外其餘均同委員蔡啟昌等人提案"},{"start":4709.178,"end":4724.696,"text":"接續宣讀公路法十一案條文對照表除宣讀個體案條文只修正或鎮定文字其餘均衡性行條文為林郡縣等提案第二十七條第一項的默劇"},{"start":4726.017,"end":4747.11,"text":"修正為公路養護修建及安全管理費徵訂第二項以及第三項文字內容為使用燃料車輛之徵收費率不得超過燃料進口或出廠價格25%非使用燃料車輛之徵收費率由交通部會商財政部另訂之謝謝"},{"start":4749.891,"end":4774.283,"text":"現行第二項 第一為第四項並將據所修正為公路養護修建及安全管理費為林郡縣等提案第28條第二款的墨具將汽車燃料使用費修正為公路養護修建及安全管理費為陳冠廷等提案第32條徵政第二項及第三項文字內容為前項行道樹花木"},{"start":4775.383,"end":4792.224,"text":"栽植工程以原生樹種為主並應納入公眾參與機制原生樹種自選擇建議由中央農業主管機關公告自委員徐富奎等提案第32條第一項的中斷在力求美化的後面增訂並"},{"start":4793.425,"end":4811.91,"text":"注重水土保持等文字增訂第二項文字內容為前向行道樹花木種子應以原生種為優先維尼奧心祥等提案第32條第一項的中段在地球美化的後面增訂並應整合水土保持及災害防治設計並維護公路周邊之實在設施"},{"start":4815.271,"end":4830.84,"text":"促進行車安全與生態韌性等文字增訂第二項文字內容為前向行道樹及花木子種植因應原生種為優先並應定期檢視其生長狀況與根系穩固性確保公路安全與設施完整"},{"start":4832.802,"end":4850.818,"text":"委員陳冠廷等提案第33條第一項的前段將應遵循以人為本理念等文字修正為應落實軌跡驗證符合通行車種並遵循以人為本理念"},{"start":4851.899,"end":4866.434,"text":"臺灣民眾黨黨團提案第39條之一第二項的手續在個人牌照的後面徵定與通用計程車牌照等文字維碼文均等提案同臺灣民眾黨黨團提案"},{"start":4870.118,"end":4896.198,"text":"委員 邱若驊等提案第39條之一第二項在第二項的牌照之發放後面徵訂與通用計程車牌照等文字委員 何欣淳等提案第46條第二項的前段公路主管機關後面徵訂應急主動告知受害者本人或其配偶親屬得應期檢據警察機關相關證明文件之申請"},{"start":4897.98,"end":4923.138,"text":"委員何新泉等提案第60條之一第二項的中段將以書面通知等文字修正為將因送達之文書交由物資機構以雙掛號發送以為送達等文字委員王逸川等提案第65條第三項的中段在責任保險的後面增訂第三項"},{"start":4924.858,"end":4928.074,"text":"第三人責任保險以及後面中斷"},{"start":4930.966,"end":4956.831,"text":"責任保險的後面也是增電第三人責任保險為林郡縣等提案第72條增電第4項至第8項文字內容為管線機構或其他工程主管機關構使用公路用地設置管線或人手孔蓋於設置或維修後應與修復並確實回停與臨街路面齊平平整度標準以3公尺直規"},{"start":4959.473,"end":4978.234,"text":"檢測單點高低差不得超過正負0.6公分其抗滑值基準由交通部領領執違反者應於限期內改善借其未改善者處新台幣3萬元以上15萬元以下罰完並限期改善借其人未改善者按次處罰之公路主管機關有養父必要時"},{"start":4980.476,"end":4998.932,"text":"得要求管線機構或其他工程組組辦機關構將部分人手孔蓋下地但管線機構或其他工程組辦機關構有救災或特殊需求者得免於下地特殊需求之範圍由交通部 會商 直轄司 縣市政府及相關管線"},{"start":5000.813,"end":5014.284,"text":"機構定資管線機構或其他工程主管機關構設置自管線或其他設施如因設置或管理有缺失致人民生命身體或財產受損害者或經主管機關巡視 巡查發現設置範圍內路面回復不確實或有致人"},{"start":5017.046,"end":5042.271,"text":"人體損傷之餘因於限期內改善 借其未改善者處新台幣3萬元以上 15萬元以下罰款並限期改善 借其人未改善者按次處罰 傾向管線或其他設施設置範圍系以管線或其他設施與公路用地內施工所挖掘之範圍內 違反第一項第三項至第六項規定致使發生重大災害處新台幣"},{"start":5043.751,"end":5057.583,"text":"15萬元以上150萬元以下罰還先行第4項 第1為第9項為寧君縣等提案第75條將前段汽車燃料使用費修正為公路養護修建及安全管理費"},{"start":5059.659,"end":5077.904,"text":"接續宣讀停車場法四案條文對照表主宣讀各提案條文指修正或增訂文字區域均衡線型條文為林郡縣等提案第四條第一項的第三款前段將汽車燃料使用費修正為公路養父修建及安全管理費"},{"start":5080.461,"end":5097.24,"text":"委員6先想等提案第32條第一項的中段或停放者的後面增訂或電動汽車與電動汽車充電專用停車位未有充電事實等文字第二項的後段"},{"start":5098.041,"end":5113.455,"text":"充電專用停車位者徵訂電動汽車與電動汽車充電專用停車位未有充電事實等文字為洪孟楷等提案第32條除第二項的後段徵訂逗號或"},{"start":5120.08,"end":5140.229,"text":"等文字外 其餘均同委員廖先祥等提案為台灣民眾黨黨團提案第38條在前段標示設施的後面增訂第27條之一電動汽車充電專用停車位設置比例與充電設備設置等文字宣讀完畢好"},{"start":5149.113,"end":5173.791,"text":"我們主條所有提案委員的條文都宣讀完畢那現在在座委員我們來確定上次會議議事錄大家有沒有意見好那沒有意見我們的議事錄就確定好那現在我們就來進行主條討論"},{"start":5226.633,"end":5250.496,"text":"好 因為好 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新管也沒有意見好也沒有意見那我們提案的第一案跟第二案我們就通過好接下來我們就是道交條例裡面的逐條來審查首先七之一條我們提案委員習曉新委員等23位"},{"start":5445.204,"end":5449.377,"text":"還有另外七支一條有修正動議請議事人員宣讀"},{"start":5453.021,"end":5481.053,"text":"修正動議一提案人委員徐巧欣的針對委員徐巧欣等提案做修正第七條之一B項的第三款在第31條的後面增訂第四項以及修正第12款至第17款依照現行條文宣讀完畢"},{"start":5482.694,"end":5488.261,"text":"好那個修正提案修正人來紀委員請說明"},{"start":5490.513,"end":5515.965,"text":"謝謝主席這次修正主要有幾個原因第一個是因為先前有修過相關的法條所以說在很多條文上面有異動這一次修正動議我就必須要把相關的法條的異動也做相關的修正所以在大概我們可以看到12條到17條的條目上面主要都是來自這個原因"},{"start":5517.686,"end":5535.914,"text":"特別講一下我們把原本我修的這個可能交通部會特別需要了解就是說在交通部的處理意見裡面第二點的部分我們也順應交通部的處理意見把第55條第一款的部分先把它刪除了"},{"start":5537.494,"end":5564.683,"text":"這一款其他的重點在於說道路交通標誌前臨時停車的話遮蔽這個標示但是很多的民眾在這個對話過程當中認為這樣子是有很多解釋空間的所以要避免可能比如說交通道號誌的定義包含管制道路交通警告禁止指示或者是一些文字圖案繪製的標牌那被遮蔽的話是比較危險的"},{"start":5565.663,"end":5589.242,"text":"所以我想交通部的意見我們是完全能夠接受但是在另外一條的部分我們要保留31原本的在第7條之1的第3項裡面納入31條第4項這一款主要是汽車駕駛人對於6歲那個徐委員拜託一下因為我們針對你7之1條"},{"start":5591.084,"end":5595.086,"text":"因為我們出條的時候就不要跳到31條這不是31條這不是31條這是第7條之一的第三項裡面這不是31條這一款是汽車駕駛人對於6歲以下或需要特別看護的兒童單獨留置車內者出駕駛人新台幣3000元的發還這個在民眾檢舉範圍之內我認為非常重要"},{"start":5620.402,"end":5644.108,"text":"那交通部的這個處理意見裡面他認為呢單獨留置六歲以下或是特別需要看護的兒童呢屬於比較緊急的狀況應該要先撥打110道場處理就可以排除危害員警道場處理亦可以對車輛所有人進行舉發而不需要就是用民眾這個檢舉的方式但是呢我們從新聞上可以看到我舉個例子"},{"start":5645.108,"end":5673.718,"text":"2025年的5月17號獨留1歲的嬰兒在車內30分鐘內呢就差一點悶死了所以呢他這個媽媽就說我只是帶小孩去看一下幾分鐘而已那就造成這樣子的狀況那打110當然是必要的但是呢你今天即使是打了110那警察到案的到現場的時間那是多少這不是我們可以控制的範圍以及如果留置嬰兒那在"},{"start":5676.459,"end":5693.364,"text":"這個氣溫比較高的情況那這個我在提案說明那邊有寫那繁瑣在車內會加大中暑或體溫過高導致於致命的風險發生那現行的7條之一並沒有將31條第4項的這個部分納入讓民眾像公路"},{"start":5696.645,"end":5720.096,"text":"主管或警察機關檢舉所以我們是針對檢舉的部分認為如果有看到孩子被反鎖在車內的話那民眾在這個部分是可以做檢舉然後後續會有裁罰那新台幣3000元的罰還那也希望用這個方式呢提醒父母或是駕駛人那把孩子留在車內這件事情是不對的"},{"start":5722.057,"end":5743.962,"text":"所以不只是打110然後等員警到現場舉發而是一般的民眾他在這樣子的一個檢舉範圍之內也可以做舉發所以我們希望在維持兒童安全的部分能夠透過檢舉的方式儲價10人新台幣3000元罰款因此保留 以上謝謝好 謝謝齊小新委員李崑澤委員"},{"start":5748.254,"end":5772.201,"text":"謝謝昭偉針對盜交7條之一就是有關於針對6歲以下兒童留置車內的開放檢舉這個概念上是良善的我比較想問的說針對幼童留在車內是需要立即處理甚至是需要立即破窗來救出幼童"},{"start":5772.921,"end":5801.367,"text":"那這個部分警政署等一下黃文哲組長來說明一下我們相關執行的這樣的一個實際的狀況以及開罰單的這樣的一個程序我們在報警處理的時候也是否就是也會有做開單的這樣的一個動作那這個警政署必須清楚說明一下實際的狀況再來讓大家來做處理以上"},{"start":5801.983,"end":5821.063,"text":"好那個請警政署我們黃組長來過去你們處理這類型的那個經過跟大概案件次數跟各位委員來做說明是主席各位委員大家早那警政署這邊做一個報告"},{"start":5822.344,"end":5841.745,"text":"那一般我們接貨到有幼童被在車內被鎖在車內的時候因為各警察機關他轄區的地域狀況不同所以他到達的時間就如同剛剛我們徐委員所提的到達的時間是不一定那但是我們到達之後我們沒有辦法"},{"start":5844.147,"end":5868.543,"text":"開門進去的時候我們就會利用破窗器把這個車窗會把它擊破然後迅速把幼童救出這個把兒童救出來是我們第一項第一個原則這個是我們最重要的一個部分那一般父母親他不會故意有這樣一個行為所以對於這個部分我們會跟他舉報的狀況應該是比較少這個部分我先在這邊做一個補充說明 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那個局長"},{"start":6564.519,"end":6588.189,"text":"這個案子是上會期盧明德召委通過的所以他印象會比較深刻也就是說本來現在修的就是他通過的東西所以你們要把他講清楚審查委員才會去了解那原則性現在是有時空差的問題我們5月9號已經他在當召委的時候就把這個案子已經出去了"},{"start":6589.349,"end":6608.815,"text":"所以這個部分就是有執行差的問題所以你們認為說既然這個修的現在修的跟已經修過的都大同小異就不以修正你們的立場是不是這樣但是你要講清楚委員才了解啊好我再補一句好不好"},{"start":6609.335,"end":6628.65,"text":"那你們跟我們說一下好不好因為從我們去年這邊交通委員在開始提案討論非常熱烈那到今年初然後到五月整個院也三讀通過了那你們現在到現在六七八現在已經三個多月了那你原本"},{"start":6629.631,"end":6643.903,"text":"在有一個說法是7月15號要上路實施當時說時間不夠那現在能不能說一下你們預計到底這個民眾關注的偽變造車牌這個星球的法則你們預計什麼時候可以上路"},{"start":6645.904,"end":6670.482,"text":"好來請說明我想我跟委員說明一下剛才局長大概已經有補充說因為所有的一個按照那個程序最後要來訂定一個實施的日期那這個實施的日期我們也了解這個立法院的相關的委員也很關切整個社會也很關切所以我們會盡速協調行政院盡速核定以後我們立即來實施我們盡速"},{"start":6671.102,"end":6690.673,"text":"因為那個有一個程序要完備所以我會把技術這個程序給完備好 陳正次原則性是這樣啦因為現在修跟已修的5月9號修過的大同小異的嘛對啦所以人家魯昭吉人他在一律這個是在幫你們處理事情因為你們雖然後面有寫"},{"start":6691.673,"end":6717.342,"text":"但是是不太明確所以原則性我們這一條就是尊重你們已經現在修跟以前修的都一樣所以就不予修正是不是這樣那你時效我們魯昭級人所關心的就是說時效的問題盡快去處理這樣就連接起來了好不好那我們各位委員我們這一件就不予修正"},{"start":6717.902,"end":6744.713,"text":"因為我5月9號修正過的條文跟這個都一樣華澤跟各方面都一樣那是不是容許本席就跟委員徵詢一下我們這個就不予修正好不好好那進行第14條也就是吳佩奕委員等18位所提的第14條來這裡沒有人說明那就請主管機關來請主管機關說明"},{"start":6749.252,"end":6772.389,"text":"吳佩玉委員他主要是刪除那個隨車攜帶行照的規定那因為行照仍然是汽機車上路行駛的重要憑證而且現在包括校車幼童專用車救護車等都還是要定期換發行照所以我們是建議維持現行的規定以免造成誤解"},{"start":6774.83,"end":6800.331,"text":"好 各位委員有沒有補充的或者我們就尊重主管機關的不予修正好不好好 那我們就尊重主管機關不予修正來 進行第16條廖先祥委員 劉希婷委員所提出的還有顏匡衡等所提出來的第16條的修正來 請誰 先祥"},{"start":6801.152,"end":6830.107,"text":"好 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包庄委因為這個比較牽涉到食物的部分是不是有公務局來跟委員做一個報告"},{"start":6992.769,"end":7007.539,"text":"第一點的部分的話我先跟各位報告就是說確實這個汽機車改裝排氣管製造噪音的部分這個是交通部跟環境部還有各縣市地方政府現在這個最積極防治的一個這一個對象"},{"start":7008.519,"end":7025.911,"text":"那所以針對這一個就是範圍比較大的這個機車的部分那應該是去年嘛去年我們跟這個環境部大家兩個部會共同這一個合作一個是從源頭就是實施這個非原廠排氣管的認證的這個制度"},{"start":7027.492,"end":7051.013,"text":"那下游端的部分就是交通部修正道安規則把它列入這個應這個辦理變更登記的項目然後來跟現行16款裡面的第一款各項異動不辦理變更登記把它這個扣在一起那第二點我跟各位我們報告目前這個就是說環境部認證的這個排氣管總共有456款"},{"start":7052.114,"end":7071.978,"text":"那這個完成這個變更登記的有將近5.5萬輛車那第三點的部分就是針對委員所提案的一個這部分第一個剛剛廖委員先生所提到的部分就是說那這個如果說沒有這個使用非原廠的這個排氣管"},{"start":7072.378,"end":7098.988,"text":"那在靜態的時候可不可以來做一個這個舉發那我跟委員報告一下如果說車輛行駛當中的話那基本上用16條跟這個噪音管制法都可以來做處理那如果說是靜態的部分的話就回到第一款如果說他有變這個改變非原廠的這個排氣管那原則上他沒有來變更登記因為如果來變更登記就要"},{"start":7099.608,"end":7118.744,"text":"使用這個環境部認證的排氣管他才能完成變更登記那如果說他沒有完成這個非使用這個原廠這個非經認證的排氣管的話他就沒辦法這個完成認證那就是就沒有就沒有辦法來辦理變更登記那就是屬於第一款"},{"start":7119.764,"end":7142.83,"text":"這個各項異動登記不依規定來辦理這個東西就是剛剛廖先生委員所提到的部分在停在路邊基本上只要可以確認違規行為就可以來做一個舉發做處罰這是第一點報告那第二點這個報告的部分包括這個劉學廷委員所提到的部分就是說對於這樣子的行為應該要來加重划緩的一個部分所以"},{"start":7144.631,"end":7173.19,"text":"這邊在這個部裡面建議在修正的部分的話就是屬因為現行16款第一項各項異動裡面包括很多項的這個行為特別把這一項如果是屬於非形式這個原形式的排氣管不依規定申報異動登記者就按照前項最高法前項最高法是1800加倍就變成3600那基本上也這個處理到委員提案這個相關的一個部分"},{"start":7173.65,"end":7191.177,"text":"那另外這個那另外有委員提到就是說這種違規他的檢驗應該自己來付所以這次的條文修正建議修正條文裡面也就是說除了按照最高額加倍處罰並責令檢驗之外那公共監視器官得收取檢驗費用就是這個檢驗費用我們會來這個讓他來做一個致付"},{"start":7195.879,"end":7217.757,"text":"那另外一個部分剛剛就是劉學齡委員所提到的部分那個實施的這個就是期間或等等的部分那基本上這個實施臨時因為這種東西是屬於這個實施臨時檢驗的部分我們公路監視機關可以來指定日期他基本上跟一般的我們車輛定期檢驗前後一個月完成檢驗的規定是不太一樣"},{"start":7218.237,"end":7237.871,"text":"那剛剛委員所提的這些相關包括這個檢驗次數後程的部分基本上就是屬於這個檔案規則裡面臨時檢驗的那個部分那後面這個相關的部分我們這個也必要我們來檢討修正這個檔案規則那所以 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這樣好不好那個林局長跟胡司長你們都大概研究一下啦他們這個劉委員跟廖委員講的他原則性原則性我們的這個16條可以修正通過"},{"start":7416.359,"end":7439.294,"text":"16條可以修正通過那16條之一因為那個劉委員是希望說較為明確啦是不是再來研究一下我們等一下先把16條16條通過修正通過那16條之一我們先保留一下再來做溝通完了以後我們再來處理這樣好不好好那各位委員我們就16條"},{"start":7441.936,"end":7460.449,"text":"16條先修正通過那16條之一我們稍等溝通以後再來處理這樣好不好好那我們就16條OK您講的沒有問題啦剛剛我講的部分就下附帶決議文字給他們擬就好了好那個那個廖委員希望他來擬一個那個附帶決議那你們來擬你們擬就好把它連貫起來這樣好不好然後汽車各位補充一下"},{"start":7466.593,"end":7489.213,"text":"汽車的部分我跟委員報告一下汽車的部分的話我們有跟環境部在做討論那因為這個東西牽扯到那個源頭排氣管認證制度的這個部分我們也知道說汽車排氣管相對這一個汽車排氣管是比較複雜這一個部分環境部在評估原則上只要環境部那邊的認證制度出來"},{"start":7489.853,"end":7507.94,"text":"我們下游的這個 好啦你們再繼續追啦好不好再繼續追 好不好謝謝 好不好那我們就做好那我們就做16條修正通過16條之一在進行溝通之後再行處理這樣好不好各位委員這樣好不好好那我們就進行21條"},{"start":7515.872,"end":7539.889,"text":"21條也有很多委員就是邱振興委員 林世明委員 林業群委員魯明哲委員 陳俊宇委員 羅志強委員這個蠻多修的陳敬威 黃建豪 李崑辰 邱若驊 羅廷維張宏祿 游皓 蔡其昌 林俊憲 陳樹葉 吳祺銘"},{"start":7543.511,"end":7568.584,"text":"林倩琦 王宏威 柯智恩賴瑞榮 羅明才 洪孟楷 王逸川等修正的案件那現在請黃建豪委員 再來昆澤委員再來我們那個葉秦委員 好不好還有接下來我們昆澤委員 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那現在請主管機關回答"},{"start":8395.14,"end":8414.971,"text":"報告召委還有各位委員因為就是說委員相中應該有20幾個委員有提20幾個版本針對21條的部分那剛剛委員所隨行一些相關的課題我大概中整分幾類來做一個說明包括這個崑哲委員所提到就是說確實這一個無照駕駛"},{"start":8415.831,"end":8442.509,"text":"的這個案件數這個每一年大概是28萬到30萬但是我也跟各位報告一下這個所謂廣泛的無照駕駛其實就是現行這個21條裡面第一款到這個第五款的行為就是剛剛講的原本就沒有從來沒有零有駕駛執照這一個違規上路那另外一個部分就是說被吊銷被註銷被吊扣那違規上路這個就是一到五款裡面各種這一個無照駕駛"},{"start":8445.951,"end":8464.136,"text":"的一個部分那這個無照駕駛裡面基本上大概大概一分啦就是有老中青三代這個未滿18歲的部分然後高齡65歲以上的部分那另外還有一群就是大概就是這個18歲以上有這個駕駛資格然後到64歲的部分"},{"start":8467.237,"end":8491.856,"text":"然後車種的部分也有機車跟這個汽車那無照駕駛的車種部分的話基本上大概這個機車無照駕駛大概佔了這個六成然後這個我剛剛講的這個老中青三代的部分的話那其實這個就是說未滿這個18歲跟高齡的部分大概各佔大概是10%10點多的一個部分"},{"start":8492.176,"end":8520.258,"text":"那重要的部分大概就是剛剛有提到有一些這一個就是說上下班就是說已經在工作或等等部分沒有這個駕駛執照沒有去考領或者是說駕照被吊扣吊銷的一個部分有這樣子的情況那回過頭來就是說整個這一個房子的部分我也跟各位委員報告這個無照駕駛的部分的話在交通部本身這個到案的這個策略上面還有包括院長每個就是每一季"},{"start":8520.978,"end":8535.054,"text":"這個召開的這個中央道安防治這個匯報上面都把它列為重點事項在做處理那這些相關的部分我剛剛講不管分老中興三代還有分機車跟汽車都有不同的一個策略在做一個處理"},{"start":8535.635,"end":8557.334,"text":"那回過頭來今天這個就是說20幾個委員提案的版本那這個我也跟召委還有各位報告確實針對這樣子的課題交通部有報兩次這個修正條文到院裡面去那第一次報上去的部分院裡面是講說這個東西應該要再擴大應該再做深入的檢討所以"},{"start":8558.675,"end":8578.848,"text":"我們現在提出來的這個建議綜合各委員的一個版本的話基本上是我們第二次現在在院裡面這個待審查的一個這個內容那這個版本的部分的話基本上是交通部有兩次會議邀請這個司法院秘書處法務部還有內政部警務署還有各交通主管機關去討論出來的一個這個內容"},{"start":8581.229,"end":8597.302,"text":"那第三個 第三大部分的話我大概跟委員這一個報告剛剛我大概先回覆剛剛江千祺委員所提到說這個汽機車滑反如何算出來的部分因為我剛剛有跟各位委員報告基本上就是說車種的部分是有"},{"start":8599.163,"end":8622.388,"text":"車種的違規性基本上跟他的造成安全的一個違規性還是有差機車通常造成的部分是自己本身的傷亡但是汽車的部分的話通常造成的是別人的傷亡但是沒有駕照就是不能上路不管是基於什麼樣的原因所以大概中整個委員的版本還有這些壘犯等等的這個部分"},{"start":8622.788,"end":8647.768,"text":"大概就是剛剛委員有這個罰款如果計算出來基本上也必須要看這樣子的違規行為他所造成的傷害還有另外一個部分相同這些的部分在處罰條例其他各條款的部分他先請的罰款是什麼樣的一個這一個狀況大概是依據這樣幾個原則的部分才去切分出來就是說"},{"start":8649.449,"end":8676.184,"text":"機車跟汽車有不同的裁判區間然後另外一個部分的話因為第21條第一項裡面分10款行為大家可以看到第一項第一款到第五款的部分大概是屬於這個違規就是說無照駕駛的部分但是6789跟這個到6到9的部分基本上是屬於其他沒有學就是學習駕駛證那些是一個比較其他"},{"start":8676.844,"end":8702.623,"text":"不像第一款到這個第五款的部分所以在我們提出來的版本裡面把它切成三個類別機車 汽車還有其他的部分然後按照現行的一個裁罰基準還有這個橫評其他這個條款的一個部分來做一個處理那剛剛王一川委員提到就是說有一些這個酒駕在這個就是無照駕駛的部分"},{"start":8703.463,"end":8731.349,"text":"在上一次112年6月30號這個在修正21條的部分當時魯明哲委員就有特別提案也就是現行條文針對如果說是酒駕被吊扣吊銷駕駛到你們在上路的話按照這個21條的條文再這個加重這個1萬2那現行如果按照我們再提出來的再修正條文的話基本上就是說第一次這個處罰第二次就按照最高額來做這個處罰"},{"start":8732.529,"end":8752.118,"text":"然後我舉個例子比如說像汽車無照駕駛第二次就是這一個前面6萬然後第二次就是12萬第三次以上再加每次加1萬2上去就是跟35條一樣這個滑反沒有上限那如果說是屬於這個35條的部分的話就是1萬2再加1萬2變成加這一個2萬4然後滑反也是一樣這一個"},{"start":8756.941,"end":8781.061,"text":"這一個無上限那另外一個部分這一次也特別針對剛剛大家講的部分無照駕駛像這一個青少年部分車子從哪邊來這個就是一個很重要的課題所以在這次裡面就是說針對非這個駕駛人的這個汽車所有人一樣也是按照第一項第二項就是出犯最高法然後第二次那個最高法然後也是罰款沒有上限希望從這邊來這個"},{"start":8783.443,"end":8812.258,"text":"這個二指啦那剛剛這個蘇菲委員有提到就是說那個同車乘客跟公佈照片的部分這個部分我是建議第一個部分因為這個酒駕的時候你同車乘客是很容易判斷出來因為有酒氣這些相關的部分但是這個無照駕駛它是一個身份認證的那個部分有些東西就是說同車乘客那個部分出來的話因為你問的話大家都是說我沒有"},{"start":8813.298,"end":8836.54,"text":"去問他說你有沒有駕照或者是說他們我就覺得說這個實務上可能在執法上面有一點困難所以我們才想說這個部分是不是因為如果按照大家討論之後這個加重處罰的這個條文來實施之後再來關起這一個成效那另外一個部分的話就是說公佈照片的部分就是我剛剛講的部分因為有老中青這一個三代"},{"start":8837.08,"end":8854.082,"text":"那這個三儲條的部分是累犯三次才公佈照片我們是也是建議說這個數量確實是比較大一點是不是說大家修正完這個滑緩車輛的這個處罰汽車所有人的處罰完之後再來這個看看這些相關的成效再來做個評估以上"},{"start":8854.782,"end":8876.848,"text":"好 謝謝林局長來 各位委員我特別跟各位委員報告一下因為21條也是提高無照駕駛的華澤然後21條之一也是所以21條蔡其昌委員 陳樹業委員王逸川委員 林詩敏委員的提案"},{"start":8877.708,"end":8900.753,"text":"我請教我們各委員既然提高無照駕駛的划款都一致是否我們21條跟21條就一併21條之一我們就一併把它處理掉因為都是划者那這個部分我在看"},{"start":8902.082,"end":8929.729,"text":"交通部都參著我們各委員都提出來的這個罰則當然提案罰則不一但是主管機關這裡都參照我們的意見去把它提高的是不是剛才經過主管機關他們的說明所有的修正的部分也都呈現在書面上拜託各位委員"},{"start":8930.749,"end":8951.778,"text":"是不是因為他都參著我們各委員提案的主要的內容了去修正提高這些罰則是不是就依照主管機關第21條修正來通過21條之一也是再修正通過這樣好不好"},{"start":8953.539,"end":8978.234,"text":"好那我們21條就修正再修正通過21條之一也是再修正通過這樣各位有沒有意見好沒有意見我們就是通過再修正通過來接下來21條27條休息文中抱歉我講而已來好休息文中休息文中拜託拜託"},{"start":8994.075,"end":8996.857,"text":"你是56"},{"start":8998.278,"end":9006.261,"text":"還是寫進去比較好吧 這樣有亮點交通部這樣也有成績啊15天得展延一次啦 只要他來申請"},{"start":9024.928,"end":9042.873,"text":"中間應該會一直下去頂多休息20分鐘吃便當反正原則現在3點以前我們要把3個法律因為這個沒有爭議這個沒有爭議這個是在幫助主管機關有時候我們的意見給他嘛意思是說其實要檢討對啊 我當然 我照應說我不能讓他30天才檢驗嘛"},{"start":9051.076,"end":9061.506,"text":"我當然就是要寫 讓他比較時間比較短這樣長度才會出來我已經喬解了我都會善用你的休息時間"},{"start":9071.892,"end":9076.456,"text":"你如果要把展顏拿掉我也覺得OK啦 我也覺得OK啦越嚴格越好 我的主張是這樣"},{"start":9103.135,"end":9119.363,"text":"要調扣嗎要調扣啊 你實際上沒有寫的也可以啦 但是你是給他一個月的時間嘛那我就是縮短嘛 你不OK我就調扣了"},{"start":9124.104,"end":9145.213,"text":"對"},{"start":9147.174,"end":9160.043,"text":"我沒有講隔天就吊過啦你老一位嘛我意思是說你一位噪音車的部分有十五天啦意思是這樣啦"},{"start":9161.224,"end":9169.27,"text":"我剛有聽說十五天就會將來有這個經驗如果說十五天沒來經驗的話那你四五天沒來超過一個月我就會將來有這個經驗"},{"start":9177.197,"end":9178.679,"text":"對啦 就15加15啦對啦 噪音車要縮短"},{"start":9198.616,"end":9200.078,"text":"我覺得時間有多短就好了"},{"start":9219.215,"end":9235.791,"text":"你要寫在16裡面是嗎好啊 精神有在我OK文字上通順 你們好用就好好啊好啊好啊16條嗎他要把16條直接併在16條裡面 我說OK啊反正就是照應車要特案組"},{"start":9245.259,"end":9263.972,"text":"我覺得對我來講 發燒一直只有扣牌 發完就沒用他都改管就沒有再管他發不給你再罵他所以只要吊扣把他吊扣的壓力怎麼樣去這跟CD企劃須提超跑是一樣概念的他就是短時間的 我覺得爽一點目前都幾千塊 還滿...他原本是要發"},{"start":9268.675,"end":9292.6,"text":"因為那個是驗車嘛 驗車的部分噪音的是要照文法處理那現在是 道館是可以處理扣牌所以他本來是說17條是你接到通知後一個月內要驗車驗完了然後要不然我就扣牌 我把他收的很省錢噪音這個部分我收掉了然後另外就是要開照文法處理因為照音廣告就是在"},{"start":9297.381,"end":9308.104,"text":"就是說15日內這個通知檢驗15日內通知檢驗嘛這個預期15日以上結果掉後這一個月直至處理完為止那這個如果檢驗過後就花完可以啊那預期兩個月就註銷就註銷 OK好 謝謝 謝謝市長"},{"start":9324.808,"end":9326.008,"text":"我反正為了56年"},{"start":9343.753,"end":9343.913,"text":"郭文貴議員"},{"start":9361.411,"end":9361.831,"text":"好 好 好"},{"start":9388.797,"end":9409.991,"text":"對,謝謝"},{"start":9410.631,"end":9410.831,"text":"主席"},{"start":9433.076,"end":9452.489,"text":"要不要我這個"},{"start":9462.372,"end":9473.203,"text":"好各位大家請就座好不好來請就座好現在我們就來審第27條第27條來27條是顏匡恆委員"},{"start":9481.127,"end":9505.904,"text":"提案只有他嘛嚴匡衛委員來這個部分這個部分應該是我們主管機關是認為不以修正啦也就可能其他那各位委員有沒有什麼意見就27條他這個可能在"},{"start":9512.135,"end":9514.522,"text":"來主管機關說明一下為什麼不修正來"},{"start":9516.165,"end":9543.895,"text":"跟委員報告那個也委員他主要是針對說那個刪除第二項跟第三項就是那個就是闖越收費站跟沖撞收費人員的一個規定那個建議把它刪除那可是我們知道現在我們有去問了一下包括經濟部的向水源區還有其他領導地方都可能還有收費站的一個設置所以我們是建議這一條能夠繼續保留"},{"start":9544.455,"end":9571.568,"text":"所以建議不予修正對有那個經濟部的好那各位委員這個我們就尊重這個主管機關就不予修正大家有沒有意見好那我們第27條就不予修正來接下來第30條第30條有林德虎委員提修正來各位那個主管機關來請說明一下"},{"start":9579.227,"end":9594.577,"text":"30條部分是那個林委員建議那個路上散落物的一個處理以及那個費用的負擔那我們也了解了一下就是有像那個公路局的那個省道的散落物他已經可以依照公路法的72條來"},{"start":9597.919,"end":9626.667,"text":"做收費用的一個收取那市區道路的部分那地方政府大概也有環保單位的一個機制在處理就是對有的是用那個廢棄物清理法的部分那另外也有考量到說因為處罰條例是行政法的一個性質那費用的一個收取是屬於行政費用那兩個的那個法理的依據是不太一樣的所以我們是建議說這個是不要修正的以上"},{"start":9627.799,"end":9644.739,"text":"好各位好各位委員這個主管機關認為不宜修正大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們就不宜修正來接下來33條33條我們廖先祥委員要不要補充說明"},{"start":9647.628,"end":9665.139,"text":"好 謝謝我們現在的高速公路原則上都有超車道現在是高速公路大家應該都有看到高速公路一直在宣導最內側車道是超車道但是實際上超車道在速限上面並沒有比一般的車道速限來得放寬就導致說我們現在"},{"start":9666.46,"end":9692.033,"text":"要使用超車道的時候但是我們實際上限制是一樣的有超車道但是它並沒有辦法發揮到超車道的一個功能那因此我建議最內側車道的速限予以提高以達到我們說這個內側車道是超車道的一個法定規範既然要有超車道那速率就要提高那否則你就不要叫它是超車道因為我們現在超車道有規範說我們現在超車道你必須要維持在速限內的最高"},{"start":9692.893,"end":9710.385,"text":"速率去行駛但實務上是不可能的因為你不可能就是我們人體在開車速率一定會有一些這個上下變動嘛這個一定會有一個合理的區間去變動那我們譬如說100公里的一個限速你要他就算我們現在符合法規你在內設車道也只能夠開在100公里你開在99公里就是違規啊你開在98也是違規那你開到101"},{"start":9716.249,"end":9735.525,"text":"是違規雖然說實際上有10公里的寬限值但是實際上如果說也有判例就是打到訴訟如果說誤開然後法院其實是不會撤銷的因為實際上就是違規那因此我會建議說我們高速公路內側車道圍超車道的精神就是速度分流"},{"start":9735.965,"end":9755.675,"text":"那既然要速度分流的話那就是最內側最快那中間就是一般的速率那外側因為有交織的問題所以速率比較低那就是利用這個速限的放寬達到這樣子的一個速度分流的一個目的否則大家實際上現在很多人開高速公路我們都會認為說實際上我們要開要超車的時候我們不是到最內側車道我們常常都是開到最外側車道去超車"},{"start":9762.058,"end":9777.473,"text":"這個是實務上我想高速公路局非常清楚的一個情況那我只是希望說我既然高速公路現在積極的在宣導內車車道為超車道不能夠佔用那維持在最高速度的速率的話那我就希望他予以放寬以上好來請主管機關說明"},{"start":9779.981,"end":9803.615,"text":"那個是高速那個陳局長也跟委員報告高速公路那個速限因為速限的訂定他就是目前大概都已經依據我們當初公路設計的那個設計速率設計速率他其實是一個公路上面行駛的最高安全的一個速度"},{"start":9804.375,"end":9832.489,"text":"所以基本上那個速限差不多已經都跟高速公路設計的最高的安全設計速率一樣了所以他沒辦法再提高1.2因為如果說把那個速限再提高1.2倍其實在行駛上面其實是比較有安全的顧慮不過委員一般來說因為高速公路的速限其實這一個內側中間外側其實大家的不一定說每一個車輛都是用最高速限在行駛所以還是有一些人開得比較慢"},{"start":9833.67,"end":9850.537,"text":"所以內側的車道其實一直都是說是超車道或最高速率行駛的車道委員擔心就是說內側有的人就是用慢速在占用讓大家沒辦法超其實這個部分有在宣導而且有在執法公警局這個執法在113年就是這個慢速車占用這個內側車道有開罰兩萬六千多錢所以我想這個部分內側車道的"},{"start":9858.641,"end":9882.957,"text":"慢輸車佔用其實我們會一直來做相關的處理也跟公警局會加強來執法那因為跟委員報告就是如果要提高1.2倍確實在安全上面會比較有這個疑慮以上報告好 那個這樣啦因為廖委員先想委員提出這個也是一個講快一點啦是一個先進的想法我說實在話"},{"start":9885.11,"end":9908.315,"text":"內車道 圍欄開八站我們限定是60以上可是它明明就這80人家開的 它最高可以開100啊對不對那照常理來講你要變換車道或什麼他剛才看話捨啊所以他提這個案他提 會啦 你開滑沒有錯你抓不到嘛所以他提這個案應該是"},{"start":9910.876,"end":9931.841,"text":"利益良善那以現在的情況你們安全的考量有沒有可能把他提這個案提這個案也要納入交給你們那個交援手他們去研究一下如何去提高其實他提這個案子是未來還是要這樣做的"},{"start":9932.521,"end":9949.308,"text":"未來還是要這樣做有沒有可能就是陳局長這裡你答應他說把這個那個列入這個研究跟那個來考慮我沒有說堅持一定要就是說的內車車道 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我只是要跟要委員說明就是說速限的本身就是定了就是要遵守那遵守它本身就有一定的寬域值在我們的處理細則有去處理那這個條文這樣寫下去會讓人家認為是說速限還有一個空間在這是"},{"start":10089.579,"end":10103.484,"text":"對 那至於說那個速限的本身呢合理與否要不要提高那個我想我們會請公共局來做檢討所以委員提到的速限的檢討是不是可以有到這個1.2倍的這樣的可能性我想我們納在我們的檢討裡頭再去討論"},{"start":10104.824,"end":10123.665,"text":"那個這樣好不好好啦 他們就是用直接個案去調整速限的調整而不是從法令的容許局去調整對啦好不好 這我同意那我的精神就是希望說既然我們高速公路局目前都是在鼓勵宣導內側車道要維持在最高速去巡視的這件事情那我們就希望內側道"},{"start":10125.046,"end":10149.323,"text":"超車道他真的有超車的功能那同時實務上維持在最高速率行駛這件事情是做不到的那我們要怎麼辦法讓我們的駕駛人他是在合法的情況下去行駛超車道以上謝謝好那我們33條就是不以修正不以修正然後要做一些研究報告給廖委員好不好好來現在我們談審查第35條"},{"start":10153.663,"end":10175.3,"text":"好有修正的來先讀修正動議來等一下修正動議練完以後我們再來發研究我們那個建豪誰先舉手的智傑 許智傑 趙薇 建豪這樣好來接下來附帶決議"},{"start":10186.357,"end":10194.149,"text":"修正動議修正動議來修正動議二 提案人委員林國成等針對第35條對照現行條文"},{"start":10200.953,"end":10224.622,"text":"第六項修正為汽機車駕駛人駕車發生交通事故涉犯刑法第185條之三第一項第一款或第二款等罪嫌疑拒絕接受或發生交通事故無法實施第一項第一款測試檢定者司法警察官或司法警察的報請檢察官核發鑑定許可書將其強制遺留受委託醫療或檢驗機構對其實施"},{"start":10230.004,"end":10242.793,"text":"協議檢體採樣及酒精濃度測試檢定 以下簡稱協議測試檢定有相關理由認為情況急迫時 司法警察官或司法警察得將其先行移由醫療或"},{"start":10246.467,"end":10262.953,"text":"檢驗機構實施協議測試檢定並應於實施後二十四小時內呈報該管檢察官許可檢察官認為不應許可者應於三日內撤銷之受協議測試檢定者得於受協議測試檢定後十日內申請該管法院撤銷之"},{"start":10264.741,"end":10278.936,"text":"第九項的聚首予以修正在第一項的前面將汽機車駕駛人有等文字修正為違反兩個文字"},{"start":10280.168,"end":10305.578,"text":"然後徵訂第13項文字內容為第6項協議測試檢定結果之蒐集處理或利用因應個人資料保護法相關規定辦理並僅得作為執法利用有關協議採集測試檢定保存銷毀安全維護措施等程序方法數量期限及其他相關事項的辦法由內政部會同衛生衛生福利部法務部及交通部定之宣讀完畢"},{"start":10307.562,"end":10329.06,"text":"這個是本席提的修正的動議當然這個是尊重我們主管機關的意見來做修正動議那因為第35條這個提案委員還有涵蓋蔡其昌副院長林德虎委員邱若驊委員黃建豪委員"},{"start":10330.222,"end":10341.663,"text":"網美會委員還有台灣民眾黨所以這35條那這個部分是不是現在就請喜智傑召委先發言了"},{"start":10343.028,"end":10370.266,"text":"謝謝召委 謝謝大家我想這裡的最重要的就是說之前就是警察如果要抽血那也有違憲之語所以針對酒駕這個部分呢那我們希望說未來就是改成有檢察官可以裁定那當然這個部分是不是那個交通部 那司法院 法務部是不是有意見 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以上做一個補充好各位委員因為好來請說明那個"},{"start":10900.532,"end":10920.92,"text":"主席各位委員不好意思司法院補充意見那關於這個剛才法務部有就這個其中一項是認為說是落實111憲判一致的這個見解然後提出修法交通部的建議條文也是如此那我們對這個方向沒有意見那只是說就細部文字的部分"},{"start":10921.44,"end":10944.569,"text":"那其中還有說到涉犯刑法185-3一項一款或第二款等罪嫌疑那在這個適用法律的角度來看建議把等罪刪掉來以服明確因為等罪有可能是表示說除了這個列舉條文之外還有其他罪所以建議是把等罪刪除"},{"start":10947.09,"end":10975.589,"text":"陳法官提出來就是等還有後面還有很多把它明確化啦那這個我們主管軍官有沒有好各位委員有沒有問題好那沒有問題這樣好不好我們35條的部分我看那個針類的部分都採用我們各委員提出來的他的主要的一個一個宗旨所以是不是這樣我們就尊重"},{"start":10976.829,"end":11004.945,"text":"主管機關他的再修正通過的這些這個等罪嫌這個部分等罪嫌就第二款第二款等罪嫌把等罪嫌這個部分把它拿掉等罪啦等罪啦等罪這個特別跟各位委員來做報告可以嗎那個那個林局長"},{"start":11008.716,"end":11030.022,"text":"好 那這個部分就把我我們台灣民眾黨提出來的修正動議是跟主管機關大家來溝通所以就過這些第一個我們尊重華烏布斯華宴還有我們主管機關也認為不要牽涉到這個部分所以我們就再修正通過"},{"start":11030.962,"end":11049.836,"text":"然後委員林國成等三人所提修正動議這樣通過好不好有沒有意見好沒有意見我們就是修正通過來接下來是35條之二35條之二提案委員是建豪"},{"start":11051.705,"end":11072.302,"text":"好你也同意嗎好那這個35條之二是沒有修正本來就原有所以黃建豪跟王美惠所提的這個就主管機關是希望不予修正那大家委員有沒有意見好那沒有意見我們就不予修正那"},{"start":11076.15,"end":11099.467,"text":"好 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各位委員來這裡更正一下我剛才這裡講44條不予修正然後我更正一下這裡主管機關是有參酌委員提案而來做適度再修正再修正是在這裡面建議依照顏寬文委員跟王益川委員提案"},{"start":11257.754,"end":11285.615,"text":"他原來提案是在別個法條所以把它列到這裡44案這個部分所以我們就依照主管機關修正修正的這些條文大家有沒有意見好那我們這個44條就修正通過好不好來接下來第幾條好接下來我們就45條"},{"start":11288.618,"end":11314.669,"text":"第45條請各位委員參閱他這裡也有修正這裡也有參酌那45條也是顏匡恆委員跟林俊憲委員所提出來的這些版本那這個版本是依照依照是林俊憲委員的版本通過是不是"},{"start":11316.885,"end":11335.18,"text":"嚴匡衡就依照嚴匡衡跟林俊憲委員的版本通過再修正通過再修正通過第45條依照嚴匡衡林俊憲兩位委員的修正通過大家各位委員有沒有意見"},{"start":11336.101,"end":11354.717,"text":"好沒有意見跟委員這邊是不是在說明一下再補充報告一下基本上就是參佐兩位委員的一個部分那針對45條的部分在這個59月的部分就是說針對這個不理讓這些緊急車輛的一個划反跟相關處再做一個這個調整"},{"start":11356.338,"end":11384.666,"text":"這一個 第一個部分不禮讓的部分的話就是划完這個儲六千元以上三萬元以下並吊銷駕駛執照及吊扣該汽車牌照六個月那最後一項的部分如果說有致人死傷情形的話那處罰再加重一萬元以上十萬元以下划完並吊銷這個駕駛執照及那我們先行你的那個條文裡面請各位是不是建議再加一個字及該汽車牌照就加一個該字"},{"start":11388.404,"end":11403.924,"text":"加一個 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我覺得重點是要給警政署我也覺得第一線同仁每個人的判斷的依據都不一那常常他們就是先開了再說那當然你們講的就是就是人體反應未能注意到的部分實務上也都不太會去排除都是直接開下去那我也希望說你們再喊給警政署請同仁在針對法令的部分多一些了解 以上"},{"start":11568.066,"end":11596.204,"text":"好 謝謝我們廖先祥委員那個主管機關也說明能夠提供資料給他的更了解就盡量提供好不好好那我們就回來第56條那56條提案委員這裡有修正動議應該主管機關還是依照我們的牛西廷委員魯明哲委員林業群委員的再修正的動議"},{"start":11599.299,"end":11615.486,"text":"再修正條文那這個部分就請大家參閱一下那是不是請主管機關也說明一下來那個那個還好像西庭委員這裡提出來的很重視的學校好那個陳樹葉委員"},{"start":11618.547,"end":11643.363,"text":"就是等這一個條文確定之後就是林月琼委員有一個附帶決議有有有好 謝謝附帶決議是最後面再來處理最後面再來處理因為臨時的提案修正會在這個審查的時候等一下的附帶決議會等一下全部有附帶決議在一邊處理來說明 來 西庭委員"},{"start":11647.085,"end":11669.436,"text":"好 謝謝主席這56條是針對並排停車加重罰則因為並排停車在各種違規停車的太陽裡面它應該算是影響比較嚴重的特別會影響行人的一些安全所以我想這個不管是我們的修正或者是盧委員的修正林玥琴委員的修正大概都是提高罰則因為我在你們印出來的資料裡面看到是寫"},{"start":11672.397,"end":11693.851,"text":"2400嘛 只有2400然後你們來跟我溝通的是寫1200到2400然後現在到底是怎麼樣我是覺得只要能夠合理的調高大家交通委員會有一個很好的共識這本本席都樂觀其成啦好 但是到底版本到底最後是怎麼樣然後你們有沒有跟其他的提案委員做溝通我希望了解一下狀況因為像盧委員提是比較嚴格是罰6000嘛"},{"start":11695.052,"end":11720.274,"text":"那當然重罰是好事那到底這個中間的這個存Q是怎麼抓的是希望交通部這邊先做一個清楚的說明 謝謝好 那個看那個林局長要說明或胡司長要說明 來針對56條的部分大概提案有兩個類別剛剛這一個牛委員還有這一個盧委員的部分大概是針對並排停車的部分去加重罰款"},{"start":11721.175,"end":11745.618,"text":"那這個就是說林月琴委員的部分的話大概就是原來入口10公尺如果說在沒有其他影響的部分是可以設置相關停車格位的部分林委員是希望說針對通學區那個部分要把它做一個排除那第一類有關於加重罰者的部分我跟委員因為現行罰款的部分的話大概就是並排停車是儲定額是2400元的部分"},{"start":11746.078,"end":11771.886,"text":"那這個委員這邊有提案是不是就是一千八百元到這一個三千元我們是比較建議就是說因為相對於現行的這個兩千四百元的話那一千八百元是降低了其實並排停車的部分大家其實都認為說有關安全的一個部分所以是比較建議就是說仍然維持這一個就是說定額這一個兩千四的一個部分"},{"start":11773.688,"end":11789.348,"text":"那這個盧明澤委員提案是建議說提高到這個6000元的部分那這個部分的話我也跟這個委員報告很多這個並排停車的部分會牽涉到這個就是營業車輛的一個部分"},{"start":11791.07,"end":11814.4,"text":"那這個部分的話目前部裡面是在就是說就有點之前這個就是那個違規停車然後類為檢舉跟據點項目的部分所以現在是用就是說道路的停車環境先把它完成這個優化提供足夠的這些相關林亭路段等等那個部分在做處理所以是比較建議就是說"},{"start":11817.522,"end":11831.713,"text":"從2400提高到這個6000塊這個滑板級距也這個比較大那我們是比較建議說讓這個路邊停車的環境比較更提升之後再來檢討這個滑板是建議維持2400"},{"start":11833.235,"end":11848.604,"text":"這我們溝通一下好不好因為我覺得既然你講嘛他要配合比如說道路環境的各種改善所以我們當初是把它變成有範圍嘛我本來的提案是1800到3000啦那我是覺得他也分種類一種是實在是因為道路狀況很糟糕那當然違規的行為還是要罰"},{"start":11850.225,"end":11877.21,"text":"那另外一種是基本上就沒有功德心嘛基本上就惡行惡狀所以我是覺得既然要討論並排停車你的閥環不往上調其實是不太對啦但是加上一個範圍的限制跟概念是不是比較符合你交通部說我還有一點點我還有一點點這個進退的一些裁量空間所以是不是交通部是不是要考慮一下就上限的部分稍微往上但是我們把Range做出來用1800到3000的方式來處理這樣會不會比較妥適一點是不是我請教一下"},{"start":11878.77,"end":11893.648,"text":"部分我就尊重委員的討論剛才已經有特別提到增加到太太太大的話可能會產生對那如果是到這個三千元的話如果我也沒討論是有公視交互沒有意見"},{"start":11896.964,"end":11920.44,"text":"另外在法令的部分就依照你委員的意見跟交通部你們講的有共識就好另外就是並排停車其實有一些樣態尤其是我們的並排停車沒有去規範車輛實務上我們並排停車為什麼要提高法案就是因為它對於交通的影響是比較巨大的沒有公德心的但是有一些並排停車它的樣態是"},{"start":11921.821,"end":11939.404,"text":"它裡面最外側它不是汽車它是機車但是我是汽車我也是很靠邊我其實不是大家平常想的兩台汽車那種並排違規我覺得在執法面是不是會有一些差異化就是針對交通的影響程度去做差異化的裁罰以上"},{"start":11940.41,"end":11954.822,"text":"好 那這樣好不好因為大概大家都取得一個共識的那委員的疑慮等一下也有一些附帶決議我們一併來處理所以這個案子我們就來修正通過好不好"},{"start":11960.41,"end":11983.922,"text":"就是原來那個並排停車的部分就是儲汽車駕駛人心態幣2400元划算修正成儲汽車駕駛人心態幣1800元以上3000元以下划算這樣好不好好那我們就這個56條劉希廷魯明哲還有林業群的提案就是修正通過來接下來65條"},{"start":11990.955,"end":12003.087,"text":"65條65條的部分因為蔡其昌蔡副院長沒有來然後在這個部分主管機關是建議委員提案的版本來通過那大家有沒有意見"},{"start":12004.048,"end":12027.876,"text":"好沒有意見我們就65條就照委員的修正通過來接下來67條67條是蔡熙昌委員還有林俊憲委員黃建豪委員王逸川委員及民眾黨提案所以在這個部分在這個部分也已經有提這個這個"},{"start":12032.602,"end":12035.363,"text":"好 那個請主管機關來說明一下 來針對各委員的意見我們大概都已經有吸納了是不是就建議那個依照我們建議的版本來好 這樣啦我這一條主要我們台灣民眾黨修的這個版本是因為你聯繫肇事 酒駕肇事然後聯繫撞死人我們是主張他終身不能考肇"},{"start":12062.799,"end":12077.672,"text":"那這種東西我不曉得我們主管機關我們主管機關你在顧慮保護這些連續患的這些人你還要讓他開後門因為我跟他們溝通他只有40 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謝謝交通部來這個案子就罰款的部分就依照我們羅志強委員的通過那其他的其他的部分其他的部分就依照我們交通部裡面的再修正這個條文通過那大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們就這個就修正通過"},{"start":12722.843,"end":12744.271,"text":"接下來是78條78條經過協商溝通以後我們依照台灣民眾黨的版本來通過修正通過大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們就提案修正通過78條的部分接下來是80條"},{"start":12751.918,"end":12774.483,"text":"那個那主管機關這裡是依照魯明哲委員提案修正通過各位大家有沒有意見好沒有意見我們就依照魯明哲委員提案的修正通過那接下來是84條80條接下來我們大家看84條那84條"},{"start":12779.255,"end":12796.803,"text":"是依照還是依照台灣民眾黨提案這個是可能就是經過溝通以後台灣民眾黨提案修正通過大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們84條都依照台灣民眾黨版本通過"},{"start":12798.311,"end":12817.118,"text":"好接下來85條之385條之3有蔡其昌副院長林俊憲委員陳樹葉委員等所提案那這個部分主管機關要不要說明因為溝通以後要來補充說明一下"},{"start":12817.698,"end":12841.49,"text":"這部分重點說明一下因為各個委員的提案修正85條之三的部分都是配合前面他相關提案的版本去做修正那這個那因為前面的一個這個最後通過的一個版本那我們有再做一個這個重整所以建議是不是依照這個蔡啟昌委員林俊憲委員跟陳書惠委員等提案那交通部再修正的建議來通過"},{"start":12843.393,"end":12859.353,"text":"好各位委員這個也經過溝通第85條之3依照3位委員提案修正通過大家有沒有意見好沒有意見我們就修正通過接下來"},{"start":12862.233,"end":12883.467,"text":"好 接下來我們第87條87條也是我們蔡吉昌副院長等所提那現在這裡是修正這個87條的部分也是蔡委員提案修正通過"},{"start":12884.625,"end":12903.752,"text":"是嗎你們沒有修正通過大家有沒有意見那沒有意見我們就蔡七湯委員所提案修正通過現在接下來第92條第92條有林進憲委員廖先祥委員台灣民眾黨"},{"start":12906.293,"end":12928.696,"text":"還有王世堅委員等提案那現在是不是那個先祥有沒有說明來好 謝謝這一條 昨天當然交通部有來溝通那只是交通部有說我們可能採取不予修訂但是會以附帶決議的方式來進行但是我目前為止還沒有看到我們交通部要你的附帶決議的條文內容"},{"start":12930.217,"end":12958.813,"text":"那當然說這一條的精神就是以機車機車平權的立場來看這件事情那過去我們國家對於機車族的一個限制是非常的讓機車族都只能行在外側車道那常常跟外側的公車產生嚴重的交織那近幾年 近幾年雖然說有在推動外二車道都去做一些放寬的限制但是目前為止也都僅止於外二車道而已"},{"start":12959.894,"end":12976.494,"text":"目前為止因為地方政府常常在設立進行機車的時候常常都把我們交通部的道路交通安全規則99條第一項拿出來當作不予開放的理由當然我們交通部"},{"start":12978.396,"end":12996.378,"text":"在做相關答詢的時候或者是答詢過後也都有韓文給地方政府告知第99條第一項的規定並不是給地方政府用來做進行機車的依據但是長期來推動的速度相當緩慢因此我才會想要提這個法令就是希望說地方政府"},{"start":12996.978,"end":13021.299,"text":"因為我們國家不只是交通啦國家在做任何的限制人民行為的時候應該都要有明確的一個規範應該是原則開放例外禁止的情況下才是比較好的一個方式但是目前對於機車族的限制好像都是原則禁止例外開放我是講就是除了外惡的部分那所以說如果說交通部能夠承諾我"},{"start":13022.62,"end":13051.001,"text":"未來的時間能夠積極的督促地方政府針對不合時宜的進行機車的規範去做調整的話那我當然是同意交通部在不動調法條的情況下去推動因為這個有點類似基本法的概念有點類似基本法的概念希望維護機車主的權益交通部你們等一下把這個附帶絕育的部分昨天承諾我的部分拿出來我覺得這個可以再溝通 謝謝"},{"start":13052.133,"end":13069.621,"text":"好來主管局官要不要說明一下委員提到的那個附帶決議的部分因為剛剛一開始就先處理兩個附帶決議那第一個附帶決議就是有關委員提的部分就是說要來檢討這個檔案規則99條的部分做系統性的評估這些相關的一個部分"},{"start":13070.389,"end":13087.837,"text":"對 這個是臨時提案這個是我為了怕我覺得分兩部分一個就是我很明確的指到道路交通安全規則99條第一項的部分我也不寫得太明我原本是希望說直接把那條拿掉就是有關於機車在無標識標線行駛在外二車道這個問題我想要"},{"start":13089.978,"end":13117.441,"text":"直接拿掉但是避免我們溝通的摩擦造成委員會開會可能比較拖時間我就授權我就希望說我們交通部後面調整那當然調整過程中來跟我做一些溝通那另外一部分就是我們來督促地方政府督促地方政府檢討我們進行機車的部分的部分這個應該是昨天副市長來我這邊的時候有提到要附帶局我覺得應該是分兩部分如果說還沒你看是不是能夠等一下這個先跳過等一下趕快擬一擬"},{"start":13120.573,"end":13138.373,"text":"這個這樣好不好這樣好不好那個附帶結議你們寫一下他的理由就是很簡單現在可以暫時不修訂但是附帶結議那個名稱一定要那等一下我們附帶結議才要處理所以現在趕快轉一下給委員看一下如果OK的話那"},{"start":13144.11,"end":13173.59,"text":"好那這樣好不好我做以上這樣處理也就是因為主管機關認為現在就不以修正維持現行條文但是後面的互代結議要看一下好不好這樣好不好各位委員我們就92條不以修正那大家有沒有意見沒有我們就暫時也就是不以修正維持原條文"},{"start":13174.49,"end":13191.068,"text":"好那現在接下來是92條之二那92條之二那92條之二是蔡其昌副院長林思明委員等提案那主管機關是認為依照委員提案來"},{"start":13194.423,"end":13216.634,"text":"我們是建議依照兩個委員的提案那有些文字我們在這個修正就依照我們這個建議在修正的好那這個主管機關是依照兩位委員所提案的本質然後他們用文字修正修正通過那那個你們那邊有修正嗎有喔好"},{"start":13223.645,"end":13252.168,"text":"各位委員 那這個就現在 等一下這個就是依照提案委員的修正通過大家有沒有意見好 沒有意見我們就92條之2修正通過好 那現在我們回來再來處理第7條之1第7條之1也剛剛我們習曉新委員等提案已經有充分說明他的理由"},{"start":13252.808,"end":13262.21,"text":"那也經過溝通那不曉得現在主管機關認為現在是有沒有溝通的結論"},{"start":13271.584,"end":13299.095,"text":"那因為我們這個修法的完整性我在看這個部分你們有沒有可能就把它列入他在乎的這些列入一個研究那事後再來跟我們習委員來做報告所以就暫時不以修正然後你們後面要進行跟他溝通他希望如何去達到這個保護這些的措施可以不可以這樣"},{"start":13300.347,"end":13326.798,"text":"好各位委員這樣有沒有意見好沒有意見我們的第七條之一就不以修正維持現行條文但請主管機關再跟習委員來做充分的溝通這樣好不好好那我們以上哪一個"},{"start":13328.12,"end":13353.113,"text":"好在67條的部分來接那個我們主管機關再來做一個確認來一下67條的部分有沒有秀在螢幕上秀一下這樣比較準確度來上面的文字大家看一下來67條你們修正的部分"},{"start":13358.362,"end":13376.152,"text":"有沒有 有沒有有修改了好 那現在已經有修改了剛剛有幾個字是有出入的現在已經修改回來的就請各位委員再看一下再看一下好就是附帶結議"},{"start":13377.369,"end":13394.904,"text":"好 那現在我們所有道交法條道交法條都已經逐條審查完畢那接下來我們就處理四個互代決議我們請先讀互代決議內容請先讀"},{"start":13405.137,"end":13430.506,"text":"附帶決議依提案人委員徐富奎等鑒於目前中央各部會及地方政府對於通學區之劃設及其定義人為一致考量修法後地方政府實務執行上可能遭遇之困境原請交通部應於本法第56條第6項修正通過後一個月內召集教育部及內政部國土署等相關部會及地方政府針對通學區之劃設及其定義"},{"start":13431.326,"end":13460.372,"text":"延伤统一标准与内容以提升全国法令规范一致性协助地方政府落实执法强化对于儿少同学安全之保障附带决议二提案人委员林国成等我国国人依规定考领考领有之国内驾驶执照现行于吊销吊扣注销及禁止考领驾驶执照期间本不得在持所"},{"start":13461.292,"end":13490.002,"text":"外國駕駛執照換領我國駕駛執照交通部並以一百一三年九月二十日交運至地一一三零零一六一五七號函說明民眾持我國駕照吊銷進考期滿後自應重新接受國內相關駕照管理規定經考驗合格後方予發照為求明確請交通部應與道路交通安全規則明定相關規定以立國人遵守"},{"start":13490.822,"end":13512.869,"text":"附帶決議三 提案人委員廖先祥等並更非原廠行事排氣管車輛不依規定辦理並更登記行駛及停放中車輛現行以可依據道路交通管理處法條例第七條之二進行舉法之鑒於並更非原廠行事排氣管之車輛停放當下"},{"start":13513.949,"end":13531.952,"text":"雖未產生噪音污染但上路後仍會對社會安寧產生危害請警政署加強員警教育訓練加強取締停放中變更非原廠形式排氣管不依規定辦理變更登記之車輛附帶決議事提案人委員廖先祥等"},{"start":13533.598,"end":13559.435,"text":"道路交通安全規則第99條第一項規定系公駕駛人行駛道路之遵循而非道路主管機關或設內車道進行機車之通則依據道路車道安全合理使用人應由各道路主管機關考量道路幾何設計車流特性車種組成及相關管理措施如機車流量左轉專用車道或專用時向"},{"start":13563.137,"end":13590.308,"text":"專用石箱等維護交通安全前提下因地質疑檢討第三車道開放機車行駛及直接左轉原請交通部加強督導各道路主管機關系統性檢討規劃符合行車安全之合理車道配置 避利各類車輛安全行駛宣讀完畢好來請問主管機關戶待結議第一案有沒有意見"},{"start":13593.072,"end":13610.201,"text":"好沒有意見我們第一案的附帶決議就通過來接下來第二案的附帶決議請問主管機關有沒有沒有意見好沒有意見我們就第二案通過第三案請問主管機關有沒有"},{"start":13611.181,"end":13633.588,"text":"意見沒有意見好沒有意見我們第三案的附帶決議就通過接下來第四案的附帶決議請問主管機關有沒有意見沒有意見好沒有意見我們就照附帶決議通過以上有四案的附帶決議我們就全部通過接下來好"},{"start":13637.526,"end":13647.149,"text":"接下來我們就休息20分鐘然後休息20分鐘我們有審查公路滑還有停車場滑 這兩個滑我們休息20分鐘以後繼續要審這兩個滑"},{"start":13660.214,"end":13688.165,"text":"那特別也就是前段我們審查道交條例所有條文都處理完畢那等一下休息20分鐘用餐完了以後審公路罰以及停車場罰至於審這兩個罰跟法案無關的單位可以自行離開跟法案有關的還是要繼續留下來"},{"start":13689.891,"end":13703.095,"text":"這樣各位有沒有意見好 沒有意見沒有意見我們現在請工作人員花便當好不好 花便當我們用餐時間20分鐘12點40分我們繼續神後面兩個華公路華跟停車場華"},{"start":13715.701,"end":13716.781,"text":"好各位各位我先"},{"start":13740.939,"end":13766.981,"text":"各位因為我們早上道交條例審查完畢我們先把有關法令宣讀一下那可以繼續用餐可以繼續用餐好各位我知道我知道我知道那個不要其他"},{"start":13768.001,"end":13786.689,"text":"好我們道路交通管理處罰條例我們修正草案各法案經已分別審查完略分別擬具審查報告提報宴會討論 宴會"},{"start":13795.663,"end":13804.909,"text":"提報宴會討論 宴會討論前不需交由黨團協商宴會討論時經由您召集人由您召集人過程補充說明"},{"start":13827.129,"end":13853.358,"text":"請交通部審查審查結果如有補充立法說明請盡速送交通委員會以便列入審查報告一併呈送立法宴會條文第三條次引述條文部分文字及"},{"start":13855.14,"end":13880.587,"text":"引用條次授權主席及議事人員來整理本次這個部分的條文我們就暫時休息接下來休息以後審逐條審查公路滑以及停車場滑以上做道交條例的宣示謝謝各位現在休息20分鐘"},{"start":15207.574,"end":15224.424,"text":"好 各位大家辛苦了我們現在來審查公路法公路法我們提案委員林俊憲委員第27條結論"},{"start":15230.936,"end":15251.594,"text":"好 那個各位委員來第27條大家有沒有意見因為主管機關這裡要不要補充說明他們是尊重提案委員然後來修正通過大家 那個來胡司長說明一下"},{"start":15252.988,"end":15270.28,"text":"這個部分我們大概是建議就是依林委員的意見來修正那只有名稱的部分我們是建議修成那個公路使用養護安全管理費那這個部分也有跟委員先溝通過有跟委員溝通過那這27條"},{"start":15274.788,"end":15283.263,"text":"27条我们就修正通过大家有没有意见好没有意见我们接下来就进行公路法的第28条"},{"start":15285.273,"end":15307.803,"text":"那28條也是林俊憲委員所提案這個也是跟前面一樣是名稱修正而已這個也是名稱修正也就是林俊憲委員版本然後名稱修正也是修正通過大家有沒有意見沒有意見我們接下來就32條"},{"start":15311.189,"end":15318.815,"text":"32條的部分我們有希納克委員的版本然後有提了一個建議那是不是就建議依照我們的修正版本通過"},{"start":15319.417,"end":15340.205,"text":"好 32條有陳冠廷委員 習滬葵委員 廖先祥委員那請問先祥有沒有說明好 沒有說明因為主管機關已經把三位委員提案的本職跟需求把它納入修正"},{"start":15340.825,"end":15361.751,"text":"那現在是修正通過大家有沒有意見好沒有意見第32條我們就依照委員的修正通過現在進行第33條33條是陳冠廷委員提出的修正案那請問主管機關"},{"start":15362.591,"end":15390.728,"text":"那33條的部分主要是委員的建議已經規定於公路路線設計規範那所以我們建議不用再修正這個條文所以建議不修正好有跟提案委員說明過嗎沒有齁好那這個事後要去那個齁那我們就尊重主管機關公路法的第33條的部分就不以修正大家有沒有意見"},{"start":15392.213,"end":15410.441,"text":"好沒有意見的話我們就接下來就39條之一提案委員有台灣民眾黨還有馬文君委員邱若驊委員提出的修正若驊要不要說明"},{"start":15411.861,"end":15426.69,"text":"不用說明 這個部分主管機關請說明這個部分包括邱委員還有民眾黨團還有馬委員的意見都一樣我們是依照委員的意見修正"},{"start":15427.21,"end":15446.86,"text":"好那主管機關是依照委員提案的意見修正通過大家有沒有意見好沒有意見我們接下來就第46條提案委員是何新淳委員提案好那請主管機關說明"},{"start":15450.799,"end":15471.344,"text":"針對何委員的一個這個提案的部分的話上次在專案報告大概也有跟委員報告就是說公路主管機關應急主動的話是有他的自在困難之處那上次也報告就是說那我們公路監理機關如果知道的話我們也會這個主動來做一個協助所以建議依照委員的這個修正版本再修正就是"},{"start":15471.844,"end":15481.44,"text":"在這個第三項地方就是增加公路主管機關知悉前項受害者本人或其配偶親屬時得主動通知其申請之"},{"start":15483.925,"end":15508.993,"text":"好 那主管機關的說明請問各位委員有沒有意見因為就是依照委員提案再修正通過大家有沒有意見好 沒有意見我們就修正通過接下來是60條之一提案委員也是何新淳委員請主管機關說明"},{"start":15510.579,"end":15536.097,"text":"那這個也是依委員的意見修正就是要將要將送達文書以雙括號發送那這個我們是依委員意見好依照委員提案修正依照委員提案通過依照委員提案通過那接下來是65條提案委員是王逸川委員那請主管機關說明"},{"start":15538.158,"end":15559.372,"text":"那65條的部分是委員要增加第三責任保險那這個部分我們同意委員的意見那不過我們建議增加第四項那這個主要是因為如果我們要查證那個保險資料的時候需要借接的那個訊息所以我們建議加第四項的條文"},{"start":15560.12,"end":15573.728,"text":"好65條我們主管機關是遵照提案委員意見然後修正通過大家有沒有意見好沒有意見好來請說明那什麼單位"},{"start":15578.598,"end":15601.255,"text":"委員好金管會保險局那因為這個委員的立法說明是有提到說要包含那個要增加第三人責任保險部分那因為立法說明有提到包含財務損失那因為現在那個財務損失的部分因為他這畢竟是商業保險那如果把財務損失納進去的話一方面可能跟現行這個旅客責任保險只有包含這個"},{"start":15602.516,"end":15603.597,"text":"你們希望怎麼那個來你們希望怎麼修"},{"start":15633.226,"end":15657.098,"text":"你們提一下看怎麼修不然的話這個就照提案通過不然就是你們如果有提修證那當然就提案通過那兩者是不一樣的如果我是照委員提案就照委員的意思那你們認為哪邊有修法疑慮的情況那你們現在能不能修"},{"start":15661.124,"end":15682.24,"text":"好那你這樣好不好你這樣好不好請你提供那說明欄的部分我們把它加下去那請你提供說明欄的部分那這個案由還是讓他通過但是你們的提案說明把它講更清楚那提出來然後我們列入會議記錄這樣好不好好那我們這一條嘛"},{"start":15687.964,"end":15705.175,"text":"好 65條就依照委員提案修正通過沒有修正吧 有有有好 接下來我們就公路華的第72條提案委員是林俊憲委員 來這個通過了嗎對 那個是65條"},{"start":15716.271,"end":15738.936,"text":"他們有修正那現在72條也是林俊憲委員來請主管機關說明那這個部分我們是支持那個林委員的意見就趙委員的意見修正好這沒有修正嗎好那就好來請說明來是那趙委各位委員那我們經濟部這邊有兩點意見"},{"start":15741.477,"end":15765.484,"text":"第一個是鄰居縣委員增訂第四項是為了保障用路面安全的條文我們支持這個條文但是在這個條文文字裡頭我們是有一個建議就是說針對管線機構在設置或維修回填路面漆片這部分"},{"start":15766.364,"end":15784.034,"text":"因為這個期限我們是建議是說是不是可以增訂一個保固期限內就是由管線單位來負責因為管線單位在施作之後其實它有依照市區道路使用費的收費標準來繳納相關的一個維修的費用"},{"start":15784.854,"end":15802.507,"text":"所以我們具體的建議的條文是在我們第四項的中間這一段就是在確實回填與臨街路面齊平之後增訂一個且於公路機關鎖定道路施工回填後之保固期限內加這幾個文字來做這個路線單位做責任的歸屬"},{"start":15808.411,"end":15837.481,"text":"這是第一個意見另外在說明的部分我們是建議在針對第五項的這個特殊需求免於這個下地的這個範圍這個部分在台電公司這刮糊二的部分說明的第三點的刮糊二台電公司這個配電線路這部分在這個200公尺範圍內之後增訂中央級地方機關交通廠站大型醫院軍事基地"},{"start":15838.001,"end":15859.17,"text":"科學園區 產業園區 國家公園這幾個地點就是屬於這個有特殊需求因為它有維修的一個急迫性所以這幾個地方我們是建議說可以把它列舉進來然後到時候在我們在訂這個特殊需求範圍的時候就可以有一個依據當然這兩個意見是不是請趙偉這邊給我們謝謝"},{"start":15865.239,"end":15873.711,"text":"那個經濟部你們難怪就是慢吞吞我請問一下這個資料送給你們什麼時候送給你們的"},{"start":15875.759,"end":15897.224,"text":"這個資料另外補充一下你不會今天才看到嗎對 然後另外補充一下我們昨天有跟林俊憲委員提案委員跟他溝通林委員基本上是支持我們的建議修正的一個文字以上補充是啦 以後像這種東西你要知道立法院在審議算不是只有提案委員"},{"start":15898.975,"end":15921.838,"text":"還有其他委員在審所以你們這種資料應該要早一點讓立法院知道我們立法院交通委員會這裡搞不好剛剛才收到你們的東西所以當然有美中不足的地方你們要修我們基本上立法院都會尊重你們但是我坦白講我在當主席"},{"start":15922.919,"end":15947.596,"text":"我基本上我是非常重視這些彼此之間互相尊重的態度所以我覺得經濟部是現在就拿出來你要叫我去那個說實在我個人無所謂但是這是立法院在修法交通委員會在修法尊嚴的問題所以我要拜託下不為例不可以這樣"},{"start":15949.177,"end":15972.036,"text":"修華這老早就送給你們了你們有意見要趕快表示意見對不對要跟交通部去溝通說我們這裡有意見你們是不是幫我們修正動議一定要這樣我一向主張我在當主席在審任何東西的時候我非常重視就是彼此之間的尊重"},{"start":15973.274,"end":15997.93,"text":"因為立法院是立法機構並非菜市場這是我一向主張的所以我要建議經濟部不管其他單位以後要特別去注意別的委員會怎麼樣我不曉得我在當主席非常重視這些好不好那來交通部交通部經濟部提出這些來那個交通部有沒有什麼意見來來來來"},{"start":16007.658,"end":16035.088,"text":"跟召委跟各委員報告 基本上剛剛經濟部所提的意見因為以管線單位來講他們的保固是他們跟廠商的契約基本上我們公路主管機關是沒有這樣的規定那剛剛講的說這樣的字眼因為我們昨天才收到這樣的訊息剛剛還跟市長在討論那這個文資要怎麼修正是不是容我們跟經濟部在討論這樣 以上"},{"start":16036.616,"end":16059.246,"text":"好來這個72條部分先行保留因為我還是要拜託各單位真的要重視這些你看看順順的去審條例結果你們就一耽擱那個進行你們進行兩個單位進行協調一下好不好來好75條"},{"start":16061.747,"end":16082.232,"text":"75條也是林俊憲委員所提案那請主管機關說明這個部分我們也是建議修正名稱而已所以就照修正名稱好那主管機關就是遵照提案委員修正沒有修正吧有有"},{"start":16084.215,"end":16097.665,"text":"名稱有修正還是修正通過因為名稱有修正這個75條就修正通過修正通過來你們協調了怎麼樣好你們繼續協調我們要審查其他的法案來我們停車場停車場法來"},{"start":16126.738,"end":16128.488,"text":"好各位委員跟各位委員報告"},{"start":16131.114,"end":16159.773,"text":"我們現在要審查停車場華停車場總共有三個條三個吧總共有三個條文現在我們審第四條停車場華第四條林俊炫委員以及廖宣祥委員提案現在請我們廖委員有沒有說明廖委員"},{"start":16160.914,"end":16173.782,"text":"第四條第四條你會不會好那弄錯了好第四條請儲管機關說明"},{"start":16179.625,"end":16205.757,"text":"好 跟 張委跟各位報告 第四條修正就是汽車燃料使用費就跟剛公路法二十七條一併修正成那個公路使用養護管理安全管理費就配合名稱修正好 以上好 第四條就是按照那個林俊憲委員的提案讓我們稍微做文字的修正名稱的修正再修正通過"},{"start":16206.465,"end":16227.655,"text":"好 那就依照提案委員修正通過來 接下來第32條提案委員是廖先祥委員以及洪孟凱委員等兩位委員提案現在請廖先祥委員說明好 謝謝召委員"},{"start":16228.095,"end":16255.681,"text":"那交通部昨天有來溝通啦那交通部是說就現有的法令就現有的法令如果說電動就是在專用的充電車格沒有依照規定就是細部規定的話那我們目前是確實可以裁罰也可以脫掉那我也不下附帶決議啦就請我們交通部一樣喊個吻給警政署讓警政署知會所有的警察同仁"},{"start":16256.321,"end":16277.713,"text":"那至於第二項因為昨天比較沒有談到第二項的部分就是業者主動通報的話那我想就簡單做個文字修正就好了就是你們可能會認為說未有充電事實可能會跟你們的一些授權主管機關的規範如果說有相抵觸的話會比較麻煩那我就"},{"start":16279.134,"end":16299.482,"text":"建議就是修正成就是如果說電動如果車輛停放未依照這個主管機關定義的辦法未依照主管機關的這個規定停放的話那業者也必須要通報業者必須要通報主管機關跟警察機關這樣才能夠維護充電電動車主的權益以上"},{"start":16308.767,"end":16316.231,"text":"主管機關請說明我們可以同意 我們寫個文字寫個文字 第一項主要 第二項改的"},{"start":16320.37,"end":16332.184,"text":"好這樣好不好因為這個來還是溝通一下把文字稍微修一下那我們現在這32條就先暫擱等一下再回來處理來接下來38條38條是台灣民眾黨所提來主管機關請說明"},{"start":16340.848,"end":16353.924,"text":"好跟召委跟各位人報告就是有關第38條是台灣民眾黨團的提案他提案的重點就是違反第二七條之一的電動汽車充電專用停車位的比例還有充電設備的設置規定"},{"start":16356.727,"end":16381.756,"text":"如果不符合規定兼通知限期改善不改善要裁罰那基本上我們尊重黨團的提案那我們同意修正但有些建議就是針對一第27條之一的第一電動汽車充電專用停車位設置比例與充電設置設備設置的文字修正為一第27條的第一及第二項鎖定的辦法"},{"start":16382.976,"end":16411.392,"text":"主要是我們第27條的第一及第二項鎖定法比較全面規定比較詳細可以提供地方政府主管機關來管理那第二個裁罰的部分我們建議參考公路法第77條對汽車運輸業者違反管理規定之罰則訂定9000元以上9萬元以下的罰還那另外也得按次處罰那必要時得處30日以下的停業處分那以上"},{"start":16418.54,"end":16436.675,"text":"好那這個我們第38條台灣民眾黨所提案那個就修正修正通過齁這個剛才你們所修正的就修正通過來又回來32條來"},{"start":16443.688,"end":16462.211,"text":"32條剛剛廖委員所提到的部分就這樣就是說第一項是維持現行條文然後第二項的部分就是加一個這一個就是說電動汽車與電動汽車充電專用停車位為依規定使用為依規定使用因為"},{"start":16468.243,"end":16474.867,"text":"那就直接就是汽車啦汽車與電動電動這個電動汽車能不能還是修在雲幕一下給委員看一下修在那裡來"},{"start":16505.417,"end":16519.986,"text":"弄完了"},{"start":16526.787,"end":16542.135,"text":"好帥喔 你們的那個汽車要遙遙遙遙遙遙"},{"start":16566.581,"end":16583.392,"text":"好 32條好 有了 有了32條有沒有問題OK嘛好 那就32條就依照秀在這裡修正通過依照廖先祥委員 洪孟愷委員"},{"start":16585.511,"end":16606.94,"text":"那個修正通過好不好可以嗎對 交通部修正通過嘛好那公路滑三條已經逐條停車場滑第四條跟32條跟38條我們逐條討論完畢好 來"},{"start":16621.894,"end":16640.147,"text":"主席不好意思有關於那個38條原先委員提案的部分他是處那個辦法裡面的一個有關於說是專用停車位設置的比例或充電那後來交通部的再修正是說處二七條之一第二項鎖定辦法那因為他那個辦法裡面規範的東西很多那我們通常會要求比較明確"},{"start":16645.071,"end":16664.733,"text":"他現在變成說你只要辦法的任何一個地方全部違反都要處罰所以這個部分還是請交通部他一定要比較鎖定特殊的範圍不要整個辦法裡面只要一違反某一個小條就都要處罰所以這個範圍是不是有點太大所以還請主席跟交通部這邊可以再研究 謝謝來 那個林局長"},{"start":16665.794,"end":16678.13,"text":"林局長他現在剛才所講的就是說要比較明確化啦不要依照這個辦法好像無窮盡而去開滑單所以這個部分要不要要不要怎麼修怎麼修一下38條"},{"start":16680.525,"end":16697.373,"text":"跟委員報告一下其實這個立法例跟這個公路法就是那個授權訂定汽車運輸管理規則一樣那裡面其實你回過頭來看這個27條第二項鎖定的辦法裡面是有很多條規定但是裡面會有涉及到這個限期改善的這個部分這個不多"},{"start":16697.913,"end":16712.126,"text":"然後呢而且這裡面也是跟這個業者有關的部分才能夠通知限期改善因為他後面有一個限期改善的前提在那個地方啦所以我們是認為說這個東西基本上應該不會有問題啦好"},{"start":16713.867,"end":16738.992,"text":"這個部分應該是沒有什麼問題因為為什麼交通部主管機關授權他們去開滑是由他們交通部去認定所以他認定的地方不可能去其他的單位有違反這些因為這個充電器可能跟經濟部或什麼比較有關但是因為他們主管的地方他們不會無限擴張的去沒有標準沒有對象的去開滑"},{"start":16740.012,"end":16759.625,"text":"所以這個部分應該是依照林局長他的說明應該是沒有問題的好 那我們38條還是一樣那我們停車場法3條都已經通過那接下來又來回來72條你們有公路法72條你們好 互代結議怎麼樣再簽了好"},{"start":16774.207,"end":16775.468,"text":"那個負債節你們有沒有看來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來"},{"start":16796.235,"end":16797.016,"text":"路華不是他們簽 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這裡有急步修改啦也就是管線單位就是加一個線型對不對那另外一個保固期間則依線型制度持續辦理以上是剛剛"},{"start":17069.358,"end":17094.451,"text":"我們議事人員所朗誦的有增加這幾個字增加這幾個字好各位委員對於附帶結議有沒有意見好沒有意見我們公路滑72條依照林進縣委員提案然後修附帶結議通過大家有沒有意見好沒有意見我們72條就怎麼樣"},{"start":17098.735,"end":17112.046,"text":"沒有 好 72條就依照林淨炫提案的通過並還有附帶結議通過 來好好 簡單的文字 哪邊簡單的文字好好"},{"start":17113.089,"end":17132.408,"text":"剛剛有提到65條那個第三責任險的部分那我們已經跟金對就是說明欄說明欄對對對剛請我們跟金管會溝通對對是說明欄的部分好各位委員這個部分我們只是建議先把財務的部分先劃掉只要留損害好"},{"start":17136.17,"end":17154.194,"text":"剛剛這個公路滑第65條修正的這個部分它說明欄這裡有刪減特別跟大會來做報告也就是第三人財務的部分把財務劃掉"},{"start":17157.475,"end":17173.501,"text":"那另外就是在中間運輸業者對於第三人這裡有財務也把他拿掉財務也把他拿掉那另外在第二點的部分最後倒數第四行"},{"start":17174.361,"end":17188.983,"text":"包含財務工作損失及精神賠償這幾個字把它拿掉也就是說明欄這個部分所以特別做更正說明各位委員有沒有意見"},{"start":17190.373,"end":17203.283,"text":"好沒有意見的話我們以上就做各項更正以及我們下午所審的公路滑以及停車場滑我們逐條審查完畢好那稍等一下我來做結議的宣示"},{"start":17241.061,"end":17256.13,"text":"好我們協商完成做以下的宣告本日協商結論免予先讀授權議事人員整理作為結議"},{"start":17259.243,"end":17277.177,"text":"針對本次會議做以下決議一 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這個部分我剛才做我們會議結議的時候第二條已經講得很清楚請交通部就審查結果如有補充立法說明"},{"start":17482.389,"end":17507.887,"text":"請盡速送交交通委員會以便列入審查報告一併呈送立法院院會所以我剛才裁定的第二條就包括這個在內所以請請你那邊修改以後就直接交給交通部交通部轉到我們這裡來我們就會把這個列進去我剛才做裁定第二條就已經說明的很清楚了好不好"},{"start":17508.567,"end":17511.308,"text":"好那我們還是在這上會謝謝大家謝謝"},{"start":17529.315,"end":17529.455,"text":"主席"},{"start":17548.302,"end":17578.302,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":17578.383,"end":17578.464,"text":"谢谢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}