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主委你要注意到的就是說你不能跟契約加盟商他們簽約還有品牌他們無故的揭露一些加盟店的一些資訊喔"},{"start":361.543,"end":385.23,"text":"這他們沒有揭露出來的話 像成本啊 或者是說他們上市或是免料繳的這些權利金等等 這些都算重要資訊他如果在合約裡面沒有揭露的話 就影響加盟商因為他們剛剛第一次去加盟的話 他們都沒有經驗的所以就需要你們公民會站出來跟他們協助幫忙所以不能因為一個個案 不能有很多家受傷害你們才站出來 可以的"},{"start":386.07,"end":412.41,"text":"就是說對於這個有品牌加盟的這些加盟商他們之間的資訊如果說不對等的情況之下你必須要出來更積極的有點作為好不好因為一樣還是受制於25條的要件不過我跟委員報告就是說我們在個案的審查裡面雖然加速是一個觀點是一個要件但是我們還會是實質判斷那個影響的部分所以只是因為過去我們加速大部分很多我們不處理的都是只有一家兩家那事實上影響的金額或是整個市場影響不大"},{"start":414.992,"end":433.663,"text":"那25條要求我們要影響多少家你們才會處理啊要影響多大的金額其實要從個案來判斷啦要從個案來判斷那我這邊大概理解大概是這樣子但是這不是個絕對的數字就是說我們從我們過去處理過的不是絕對的數字有人受傷害公平委員就要站出來好不好所以我們會按實質個案來判斷謝謝委員好 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"end":"2026-04-23T10:33:42.060000+08:00","text":"其實要從個案來判斷，就我這邊的理解大概是這樣，但這不是一個絕對的數字，就是從我們過去處理過的……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-23T10:33:42.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:33:45.582000+08:00","text":"對，主委，這不是絕對的數字，有人受傷害，公平會就要站出來，好不好？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-23T10:33:45.582000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:33:46.582000+08:00","text":"應該要有點作為，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員志民","start":"2026-04-23T10:33:46.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:33:46.483000+08:00","text":"我們會按實質個案來判斷，謝謝委員。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:33:46.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:33:46.663000+08:00","text":"謝謝呂玉玲委員。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:33:47.163000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:33:50.591571+08:00","text":"接下來有請陳超明委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}