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接下來請廖委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:09:17.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:09:18.579000+08:00","text":"主席好，請石部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:09:18.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:09:18.920000+08:00","text":"有請石部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:09:23.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:09:24.002000+08:00","text":"邱委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:09:24.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:09:24.542000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:09:25.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:09:53.876000+08:00","text":"部長，談判代表鄭麗君2月12日跟美國簽下ART，一直以來，我們一再要求不可以拿我們的食安當作交換籌碼，但現在看起來，經貿辦談回來的內容跟當初行政院開記者會喝奶茶時傳達給大家的感覺差很多，就拿馬鈴薯來講，2026年1月21號農業部發布預告，準備放寬美國的馬鈴薯進口。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:09:55.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:10:12.927000+08:00","text":"2026年的2月6日正式公告修正農授防字第1151881353號，在2月12號簽訂ART之前，農業部拿馬鈴薯去示好，那我們衛福部最先拿什麼？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:10:12.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:10:13.348000+08:00","text":"是拿農藥來跟他們談嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:10:16.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:10:28.213000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，剛剛我一再地提到，對馬鈴薯的檢驗程序、標準都沒有改變，我們沒有改變，我們一樣是需要抽驗2%到10%……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:10:28.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:10:33.135000+08:00","text":"以前是有發現發芽就整批退回，那現在農業部講有發現發芽是丟掉，然後你們再抽驗，你們是抽驗2%到10%，沒錯嘛？對。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:10:33.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:10:51.845000+08:00","text":"當然這個部分，院長講的逐顆來檢查是不可能的事情，所以……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:10:52.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:10:54.867000+08:00","text":"我們檢驗不會用逐顆檢驗。對啊！","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:10:54.867000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:10:55.867000+08:00","text":"不可能啊！人力……","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:10:54.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:10:58.871000+08:00","text":"因為這一批如果驗到有，整批就退了，不會一顆一顆驗。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:10:58.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:11:05.857000+08:00","text":"如果你要每一顆來檢查的話，你一年要花幾千萬到上億元的人工成本費，你根本沒有那麼大能量來做。","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:11:06.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:11:15.924000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，我們這一批只要驗到一顆超標，那這一批就會整個銷毀或退運了，所以不需要一顆一顆驗。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:11:15.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:11:27.610000+08:00","text":"看起來你們比農業部更早去談，答應美國2年內要大規模放寬農藥標準，NTE報告說，你們答應如果臺灣沒訂定農藥殘留標準，就採納美國標準或Codex的國際標準。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:11:27.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:11:51.665000+08:00","text":"114年3月11號公告32種100項，增修訂阿納寧等32種農藥於100項農作物之殘留容許量，接軌美方出口的要求，你們就做了修改。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:11:53.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:12:03.652000+08:00","text":"114年11月26號公告15種78項，包含梨果、柑橘、玉米及米類，同步修正動物農藥產品的標準。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:12:04.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:12:18.960000+08:00","text":"115年1月9號草案預告38種174項，涉及茶、咖啡、堅果、羽衣甘藍等，預計在2026年第二季生效。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:12:21.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:12:31.686000+08:00","text":"總共約含85種352項，持續向美國及國際標準來接軌，所以衛福部早在川普放話之前，就知道一定會拿食安來交換嗎？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:12:33.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:12:37.848000+08:00","text":"應該不是這麼說，就是說在國際貿易上，大家都是採相同的標準。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:12:38.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:12:39.489000+08:00","text":"那以前都沒有做這個標準，為什麼現在要做這個標準？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:12:40.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:12:43.573000+08:00","text":"所以過去我們就會產生很多跟人家的爭議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:12:43.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:12:47.756000+08:00","text":"那蔡英文總統的時候就沒有發生這個問題，為什麼我們現在要做這個事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:12:48.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:12:52.080000+08:00","text":"應該是我們一直逐步、逐步，只是說有時候我們的速度不夠快。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:12:52.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:00.567000+08:00","text":"你修的這些80%都是進口商，外商的申請不是增加項目就是增加劑量，美國還要你們開放多少？沒有……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:00.567000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:02.080000+08:00","text":"沒有上限嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:02.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:09.343000+08:00","text":"我們的標準上就是儘量來跟國際……除了有特別的考量，不然的話就跟國際標準一樣。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:09.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:24.008000+08:00","text":"你3月5號簽完約不到1個月，賴總統就宣布說要停砍藥價3年，那3月31號美國發布NTE報告的時候，稱讚臺灣在藥價透明度上有正面的發展，這證明了什麼？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:25.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:33.216000+08:00","text":"暫停藥價調查3年，表面上是為了韌性，事實上還是在按照美國的意思來做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:34.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:35.318000+08:00","text":"這兩個是沒有關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:35.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:36.399000+08:00","text":"那怎麼會這麼剛好呢？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:37.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:44.186000+08:00","text":"應該砍的是這樣，這個藥價其實我們很多砍到的也是我們自己國產的或者是學名藥，所以……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:44.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:13:45.186000+08:00","text":"美國要我們開放……","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:13:44.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:14:02.434000+08:00","text":"這個藥價在調整上，主要是因為這幾年國際原物料上漲的厲害，那我們的藥價調查，都是前一年根據藥價調查的結果來調整，所以經常會發生後面成本上漲的時候……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:14:02.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:14:34.498000+08:00","text":"你看美國要我們開放牛脂跟牛血的進口，農業部也開放了，ART協定裡面，臺灣承諾不採取任何與WOAH指引不一致的措施，因此將移除某些美牛的產品禁令，也會移除繁重的邊境檢查程序，現在我們又從邊境來開門，那NTE報告上面說，臺灣答應開放牛絞肉、心、肝、腎，那每個萊劑的容許值是多少？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:14:34.498000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:14:37.383000+08:00","text":"萊克多巴胺嗎？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:14:37.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:14:38.264000+08:00","text":"我們目前的話，豬肝是0.04 ppm。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:14:38.264000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:14:39.264000+08:00","text":"調到0.09嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:14:39.264000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:14:40.264000+08:00","text":"對，然後Codex……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:14:40.264000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:14:41.264000+08:00","text":"那牛呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:14:38.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:14:40.406000+08:00","text":"牛如果是Codex標準的話，牛肝、牛腎一個是0.04 ppm，一個是0.09 ppm。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:14:58.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:15:11.897000+08:00","text":"因為我發現臺灣承諾要將所有肉類的產品，不管是萊克多巴胺也好或者是對齊Codex的標準，你們所謂的科技標準、國際標準就是拿我們人民的身體來做試藥嘛，對不對？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:15:13.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:15:18.495000+08:00","text":"不會啦，這個一定都是按照國際的標準，然後也經過我們國內的健康風險評估，才會作這項決定。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:15:18.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:15:25.718000+08:00","text":"你看，邊境也配合禁止逐箱檢查，終止對美牛內臟、舌、筋、睪丸等的逐箱檢查與解凍檢查，以後美國牛肉進來，臺灣的海關只能看大包裝而不能細查，是這個意思嗎？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:15:34.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:15:47.835000+08:00","text":"不是，因為我們過去已經非常大量地查過了，都沒有超出這個標準，所以按照我們過去標準的做法就應該調降風險等級，也就是調降它的抽驗。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:15:47.835000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:15:48.835000+08:00","text":"剛剛提到……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:15:47.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:15:56.143000+08:00","text":"很多微生物跟農藥殘留，要在肉品解凍後才能準確地取樣化驗，現在都沒有解凍你要怎麼化驗？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:15:57.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:15:58.802000+08:00","text":"您說的是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:00.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:04.367000+08:00","text":"美國牛肉進來只能看大包裝，不能拆也不能細查啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:04.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:07.289000+08:00","text":"我們過去的做法都是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:07.289000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:09.631000+08:00","text":"現在是連解凍檢查都不行嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:09.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:15.415000+08:00","text":"對這種生鮮的，我們都是先具結，然後在一個地方讓它先出關……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:15.415000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:16.415000+08:00","text":"我覺得你們的做法愈來愈鬆散。","quality":0},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:15.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:21.921000+08:00","text":"讓它具結放在一個地方，等我們解凍驗完之後才放行，過去都是這個做法。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:22.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:22.701000+08:00","text":"對，但是現在沒有啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:23.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:26.406000+08:00","text":"現在是連解凍都不行了。解凍？對啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:27.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:39.393000+08:00","text":"我們會就要抽驗的部分去解凍，至於它要冷凍的部分，我們會用具結的方式先放行到一個地點不能銷售，還是要放在那裡，等我們檢驗出來之後才放行。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:39.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:53.322000+08:00","text":"你看ART簽訂的內容，就是臺灣不得在允許該設施開始出口至臺灣領土前，要求對FSIS名錄中的設施進行視察或審計。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:53.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:16:58.105000+08:00","text":"以前我們要開放美牛會派員去美國實地看工廠，這條規定讓臺灣變成不得去現場看，這樣也可以答應啊？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:16:58.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:17:13.191000+08:00","text":"沒有，還是要經過國家系統性的查核，我們還是有常規性（routine）的查廠，所以這些都是有的。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:17:13.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:17:28.178000+08:00","text":"還有一個很誇張的，等協定生效後6個月內，臺灣應完成所有的行政程序，承認美國設立的非洲豬瘟保護區，使來自非疫區的美國豬肉及豬肉產品能夠進口。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:17:28.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:17:46.051000+08:00","text":"以前如果美國某個地方發生非洲豬瘟，臺灣可以主張全美皆為疫區禁止進口以保護本土的產業，但是這個協定生效以後，只要美國說這個州沒事，其他的你就得繼續買，那我們要怎麼防疫呢？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:17:47.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:17:53.034000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，其實美國的一個州都比臺灣整個面積還大，範圍這麼大……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:17:53.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:17:53.634000+08:00","text":"你們越是……講難聽點，你們就是在配合美國的要求嘛，對不對？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:17:53.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:17:55.695000+08:00","text":"這個剛剛菁徽委員也有講到，這個ART有沒有用，我們還不知道，現在知道的是，如果讓這份協議生效，我們以後就沒有選擇權，全部都是美國說了算。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:09.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:16.048000+08:00","text":"不會、不會，我們還是具有最後的決定權，對於國人的健康我們還是會嚴格把關。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:16.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:19.853000+08:00","text":"希望部長還是要以良心來做這個工作，好不好？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:19.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:19.853000+08:00","text":"絕對是的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:19.853000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:21.295000+08:00","text":"不要拿國人的健康來犧牲。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:21.295000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:23.277000+08:00","text":"國人的健康我們都是排在第一位的。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:23.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:24.198000+08:00","text":"好啦，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:25.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:26.821000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:26.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:27.742000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱鎮軍委員的發言。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:18:27.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:18:28.984000+08:00","text":"接下來請廖偉翔委員發言。","quality":0.636}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}