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我想很多 為什麼檢方會反彈就覺得說我們記者能力這麼短缺嘛那如果說因為這部分因為明天啦 說真的 明天就會知道了嘛因為明天你們就要開會嘛那是不是馬洪華主任檢察官是不是就是內定的是不是就是真的是他明天就會知道答案嘛明天就會知道說到底是不是內定啊那我想這個委員他們就會去做一個審議"},{"start":454.183,"end":474.639,"text":"空穴未必來風為什麼會引起這麼大的反彈我覺得不能用傳聞來當然不能用傳聞所以我就說其實這個事情很快明天就會知道答案但我們希望說基層的檢察官其實人力已經很缺乏了所以真的需要我們這個法務部的人不是只有檢察官 數據官包括我們的監守的管理人我們都非常支持法務部的人力"},{"start":481.585,"end":499.18,"text":"還要辦毒品等等的所以業務非常的膨脹尤其是蔡財部長我覺得您最近也很辛苦您的政策通通都被藉走了包括先是徐錫祥政策去擔任最高檢察署的主任檢察官然後準備要接檢察總務長"},{"start":501.041,"end":522.826,"text":"那接下來呢 你的另一個政次 這個黃士傑 他又要去選桃園市長現在呢 連黃謀信政次 都要去擔任中選會的主委所以 像這個部分 我覺得 部長您真的很辛苦耶因為 等於說您的政次 都這樣子那看起來好像感覺是 這個 呃 法務部的政次是一個升官的跳板喔"},{"start":523.266,"end":540.973,"text":"只要到來擔任政策的話幾乎都有這樣子的一個過水的一個狀態我想那個都有他的一個任務嘛那我很尊重他們職業規劃嘛那這部分謝謝委員關心對那像這樣的話政策其實它一直流動那對於您的這個法務部的業務會有什麼影響呢"},{"start":542.694,"end":569.151,"text":"我想這部分我們還是業務很努力去做一個推動基層人力也不足那現在連高層都這樣子一個狀況謝謝委員關心所以我其實覺得部長真的很辛苦你自己可能還得要見證詞的業務有些要去考察我沒辦法去參加這個也請委員這是兩回事喔部長這是兩回事喔因為剛剛翁曉琳委員講的是說您如果"},{"start":570.011,"end":573.094,"text":"之前就講的話那當然站在他的立場的話他也會評估狀況可是您是當天前一天的下午五點才通知那所以說當然他不知道所以部長我想要請教您的就是說像這個部分的話我們現在其實剛剛您也講的不管是打雜啦 茶會啦大家都非常的"},{"start":592.21,"end":595.871,"text":"我想我們就是不會就是因為次長的因為的去做其他的一個任務"},{"start":614.915,"end":624.485,"text":"一個職務的調整或者是所以表示這個政策可能不是那麼重要那個不是這樣的我們是努力來推動那也請委員多支持我們一定支持但是呢還是請部長針對這個部分我是覺得還是我們政治還是要以穩定為主那部長的話因為最近實在是太頻繁了啦"},{"start":638.539,"end":656.366,"text":"你看這個黃士傑的這個缺應該還沒補吧那現在黃謀信政次又要去這個當中選會的委員所以部長是希望我們同意黃謀信政次擔任中選會委員嗎所以你們又少一個政次囉他是一個兼任嘛是兼任喔所以他還是繼續擔任這個法務部的政次那他這樣子會不會也有一些時間要去當中選會的委員他那個是兼任我想有開會他都一定會去嘛"},{"start":668.411,"end":689.948,"text":"對啊 那就是相關的業務他可能就必須要分一些時間去做這樣子的一個調整謝謝委員體諒委員 這個法務部很辛苦還是請部長 這個部分我當然知道您也有您的難處啦但是我們還是覺得這個正式的如果委員知道我的難處那這部分就委員多多支持法務部業務的推動我一定支持法務部的業務但是還是請部長針對這個部分其實還是要跟上面反映一下啦謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:48:08.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:48:09.201000+08:00","text":"謝謝最專業的主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:48:10.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:48:11.967000+08:00","text":"請法務部鄭部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:48:11.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:48:12.147000+08:00","text":"請鄭部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:48:18.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:48:18.285000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:48:18.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:48:19.026000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:48:19.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:48:30.274000+08:00","text":"部長，今天本席要跟您探討有關112年憲判字第4號判決，它是規定2年內必須要修法，現在已經超過修法時間。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:48:30.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:48:50.327000+08:00","text":"我看行政院跟司法院都有各提了版本去解釋分居期間到底要怎麼計算，行政院版寫的是5年內累計分居達3年；司法院主張是不同居已達3年，且在繼續的狀態中。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:48:51.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:49:00.710000+08:00","text":"剛剛也很多委員請教您到底要怎麼去計算，尤其目前行政院版是5年內累計分居已經達3年。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:49:01.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:49:19.679000+08:00","text":"因為民法根本沒有對分居下明確的定義，除了客觀上不同居之外，還要看主觀意識是不是因為工作或者是照顧子女，比如也許同居但分房，也有因為子女分開有各項的爭議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:49:20.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:49:26.803000+08:00","text":"請問一下，如果連分居在民法上都沒有明確定義，連分居都講不清楚的話，要怎麼計算分居時間呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:49:29.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:50:12.966000+08:00","text":"我們現在分居制度，在民法上沒有很明確的規定，但是第一千零五二條有立法說明，分居的定義是指夫妻不繼續共同生活，當然我想在個案計算上，如有正當理由分居，當然不會去計入，如果是不願意復合，而任其關係持續的話，當然就是屬於分居日數期間的計算，這部分當然是跟司法院……","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:50:13.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:50:20.051000+08:00","text":"我想司法院為什麼會特別提說舉證上真的有困難……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:50:20.051000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:50:21.051000+08:00","text":"不一樣，我們就是5年內……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:50:20.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:50:37.885000+08:00","text":"尤其對於不想離婚那一方，他可能就不會配合，分居的定義到底是什麼也說不清楚，所以司法院也舉了一個例子，如果丈夫1月1號上午9點離家，1月15號晚間9點返家，這到底算14天還是14.5天還是15天？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:50:41.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:50:48.756000+08:00","text":"這是司法院提的例子，也就是說，只要是法律適用的時候，一定會碰到相關的問題，遇到這樣的問題，應該要怎麼處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:50:48.756000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:50:49.756000+08:00","text":"這部分，我請司長來回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:50:48.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:50:48.836000+08:00","text":"好，請司長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝代理司長志明","start":"2026-04-23T10:50:56.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:51:18.124000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這部分因為累計制確實是我們在研究小組會議的時候委員們的結論，所以跟德國是不太一樣的，不過在計算哪一天算是完整一日的狀況下，在實務上雖然沒有完全類同的狀況，但是比如說，工程案件裡面常常會有那一天算不算是一個工作日的計算，其實實務發展是有機會的。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:51:19.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:51:19.585000+08:00","text":"請問工作日的計算方式適用在這邊嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝代理司長志明","start":"2026-04-23T10:51:24.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:51:31.306000+08:00","text":"這部分我們會委助於實務的發展，依實務審理的彈性去發展出合理的計算方式，就跟工作日的累計計算一樣。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:51:31.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:51:55.333000+08:00","text":"所以為什麼司法院會提這樣的例子，確實是因為他們在舉證上的困難，造成他們在審查上有相當的困難度，所以我認為這樣的狀況……當然，我個人是比較主張司法院的版本，就是不同居已達3年的版本，因為比較清楚、比較能夠操作，也比較符合審判的實務。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:51:55.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:51:58.257000+08:00","text":"請問部長，你覺得司法院的說法對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:51:58.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:51:59.839000+08:00","text":"你接不接受司法院的說法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:52:00.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:52:12.306000+08:00","text":"我們還是支持院版，因為院版是經過了專家學者、機關代表充分討論總結出來的意見，我們也尊重司法院……","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:52:13.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:52:16.128000+08:00","text":"剛剛講的這些問題，專家學者有提出嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:52:16.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:52:22.892000+08:00","text":"司法院這部分有實務上實際案例的基礎，我想這部分當然大家可以……","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:52:22.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:52:24.233000+08:00","text":"所以看起來目前是沒有共識嘛。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:52:25.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:52:33.842000+08:00","text":"沒有共識，所以召委才說要辦公聽會廣納社會的意見。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:52:34.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:52:42.891000+08:00","text":"這看起來可能是一個小問題，可是事實上影響的程度是很大的，所以我覺得可能大家也要多多徵詢相關的意見。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:52:42.891000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:52:44.532000+08:00","text":"還要再廣納意見。對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:52:44.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:53:22.817000+08:00","text":"另外，本席要再請教您，最近因為媒體報導，國安會諮詢委員林志潔女士有意找法務部調派檢察官協助他，引起檢方的反彈，當然，我知道法務部昨天也大動作出了一個新聞稿來駁斥這樣的說法，目前我們看到報導寫的是桃園地檢署主任檢察官馬鴻驊已經內定擔任這個職務，檢察官的人事審議委員會在明天就會開會討論，所以這件事情到底是不是事實？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:53:22.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:53:27.782000+08:00","text":"這個人未來會辦理什麼業務，在哪裡上班，聽誰的指揮？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:53:27.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:53:44.299000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我們調辦事都需要經過公告的程序，依照行政院限制所屬公務人員借調及兼職要點來辦理，上班的地點是在檢察司，我是不是請副司長來回答？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:53:45.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:53:50.045000+08:00","text":"上班地點還是一樣在法務部檢察司，不會去國安會，是這樣嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:53:50.045000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:53:51.045000+08:00","text":"在法務部。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:53:50.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:53:55.871000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們調辦事因為有負責的專責，譬如說有打詐、毒品、婦幼的，當然會……","quality":0.656},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:53:56.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:53:59.355000+08:00","text":"所以他如果負責國安，他就有可能去國安會嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:53:59.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:06.944000+08:00","text":"他一定會跟國安單位，包括國安會、陸委會、經濟部等相關國家安全的體系……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:07.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:08.886000+08:00","text":"所以他是負責國安相關的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:09.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:11.129000+08:00","text":"他負責國安這部分……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:11.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:13.632000+08:00","text":"所以也有可能到國安會？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:13.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:14.633000+08:00","text":"他一定會去國安會開會啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:14.633000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:19.725000+08:00","text":"我不是指開會，我是說他是借調去那裡，因為根據你們的……","quality":0.043},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:19.725000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:24.817000+08:00","text":"沒有，借調是在法務部……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:24.817000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:29.909000+08:00","text":"你們新聞稿引用的是行政院限制所屬公務人員借調及兼職要點第二點，既然是同一個單位，為什麼要借調？","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:29.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:49.600000+08:00","text":"因為他是檢察官，要辦理行政事務當然要借調，這是依照我們借調及兼職要點來辦理，因為我們法制作業是高度專業，我想在各個地方包括司法院，他們都有借調法官來辦理這些法制作業，或者一些司法的擬定。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:50.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:54.024000+08:00","text":"所以部長的意思就是他不會到國安會去上班？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:54.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:54:57.427000+08:00","text":"他不是在那邊上班，但是業務一定會有……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:54:58.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:04.274000+08:00","text":"會不會到國安會負責相關國安的業務，代表法務部借調過去呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:04.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:08.018000+08:00","text":"不會，就是借調在法務部上班。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:10.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:10.940000+08:00","text":"為什麼很多檢方會反彈？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:11.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:13.242000+08:00","text":"他們都覺得基層人力這麼短缺。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:14.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:16.385000+08:00","text":"那是誤傳啦！","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:16.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:23.692000+08:00","text":"說真的，明天就會知道了，因為明天你們就要開會，馬鴻驊主任檢察官是不是就是內定的，是不是真的是他？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:23.692000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:24.692000+08:00","text":"這是有經過公告的程序……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:23.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:24.153000+08:00","text":"明天就會知道答案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:24.153000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:25.153000+08:00","text":"以及人事審議……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:24.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:25.494000+08:00","text":"所以我說明天就會知道到底是不是內定。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:25.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:26.555000+08:00","text":"我想委員就會去審議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:35.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:38.225000+08:00","text":"為什麼我說空穴未必來風，為什麼會引起這麼大的反彈？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:38.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:40.347000+08:00","text":"我覺得不能用傳聞來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:40.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:45.811000+08:00","text":"當然不能用傳聞，所以我就說這個事情明天很快就會知道答案。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:45.811000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:46.811000+08:00","text":"這個事情的事實就是有法令的依據。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:46.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:51.936000+08:00","text":"當然，我們希望基層的檢察官……其實人力已經很缺乏了，所以真的需要……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:51.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:53.498000+08:00","text":"我們法務部的人事不是只有檢察官，包括書記官、監所的管理員都非常短缺……","quality":0.645},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:55:54.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:55:55.619000+08:00","text":"當然，所以我們都非常支持法務部的人力。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:02.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:06.829000+08:00","text":"因為我們要打詐，還要辦毒品等等，業務非常膨脹。","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:07.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:20.180000+08:00","text":"所以這部分就不適合再借調出去，說實在，部長，我覺得您最近也很辛苦，您的政次通通都被借走了，先是徐錫祥政次去擔任最高檢察署的主任檢察官，準備要接檢察總長。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:22.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:34.604000+08:00","text":"接下來，你的另一個政次黃世杰又要去選桃園市長，現在連黃謀信政次都要去擔任中選會的委員，所以我覺得部長您真的很辛苦。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:34.604000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:35.604000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:35.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:43.646000+08:00","text":"等於說您的政次都這樣……看起來感覺法務部的政次是一個升官的跳板。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:43.646000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:44.646000+08:00","text":"不是升官的跳板。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:44.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:49.408000+08:00","text":"只要來擔任政次的話，幾乎都有這樣過水的狀態。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:49.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:51.869000+08:00","text":"我想每個人都有他的任務。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:51.869000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:52.869000+08:00","text":"雖然過水……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:52.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:56:56.531000+08:00","text":"我們很尊重他們職涯規劃，這部分也謝謝委員關心。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:56:56.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:01.953000+08:00","text":"像這樣政次一直流動，對於法務部的業務會有什麼影響呢？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:03.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:07.276000+08:00","text":"我想這部分我們業務還是很努力去推動。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:07.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:11.299000+08:00","text":"基層人力也不足，現在連高層都有這樣的狀況。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:11.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:11.719000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:12.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:18.924000+08:00","text":"所以我其實覺得部長真的很辛苦，您自己可能還得要兼政次的業務，因為像現在……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:18.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:23.406000+08:00","text":"所以有些考察我沒辦法參加，也請委員體諒。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:24.427000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:25.848000+08:00","text":"部長，這是兩回事喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:25.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:27.029000+08:00","text":"因為實在是分身乏術……","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:27.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:32.733000+08:00","text":"剛剛翁曉玲委員講的是如果您之前就講的話，站在他的立場，他也會評估狀況，可是您是前一天下午5點才通知，他當然不知道。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:32.733000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:33.733000+08:00","text":"的確是分身乏術。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:32.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:34.054000+08:00","text":"所以部長，我想要請教你，像這部分，剛剛你講的不管是打詐、查賄，大家都非常辛苦。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:34.054000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:43.932000+08:00","text":"今年又要查賄。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:43.932000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:57:53.810000+08:00","text":"我就說你一下這個政次走、一下那個政次走，接下來對於相關的工作，在法務部的部分，你們準備怎麼樣做好相關的工作呢？","quality":0.02},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:57:53.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:17.116000+08:00","text":"我們不會因為次長的職務調整或者離職……","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:17.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:19.959000+08:00","text":"對，所以表示這個政次可能不是那麼重要。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:21.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:22.522000+08:00","text":"不是這樣的，法務部的業務，我們努力來推動，也請委員多支持。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:22.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:24.484000+08:00","text":"我們一定支持，但是還是請部長針對這部分……我覺得政次還是要以穩定為主。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:24.484000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:25.484000+08:00","text":"不是升官跳板啦！委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:24.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:42.520000+08:00","text":"部長，因為最近實在是太頻繁了，黃世杰的缺應該還沒補吧？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:43.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:47.782000+08:00","text":"現在黃謀信政次又要去當中選會的委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:47.782000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:48.782000+08:00","text":"請委員多多體諒我們政次……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:47.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:51.984000+08:00","text":"所以部長是希望我們同意黃謀信政次擔任中選會委員嗎？支持。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:51.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:52.524000+08:00","text":"所以你們又少一個政次？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:52.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:53.365000+08:00","text":"他是兼任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:53.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:53.825000+08:00","text":"是兼任喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:53.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:54.925000+08:00","text":"所以他還是繼續擔任法務部的政次？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:54.925000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:55.925000+08:00","text":"對，他是兼任的。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:55.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:56.126000+08:00","text":"他會不會有一些時間要去當中選會的委員？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:58:56.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:58:57.346000+08:00","text":"他是兼任，有開會他都一定會去嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:09.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:13.855000+08:00","text":"對啊，相關的業務，他可能就必須要分一些時間去做這樣的調整。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:14.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:15.756000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員體諒法務部很辛苦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:16.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:20.500000+08:00","text":"還是請部長……我當然知道您有您的難處，但是我們還是覺得……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:21.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:25.684000+08:00","text":"如果委員知道我的難處，就委員多多支持法務部業務的推動。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:25.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:30.948000+08:00","text":"我一定支持法務部的業務，但是還是請部長針對這部分跟上面反映一下，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:31.448000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:33.733714+08:00","text":"好，謝謝許宇甄委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:34.033714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:40.033714+08:00","text":"接下來請鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員，鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:40.333714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:45.190857+08:00","text":"楊瓊瓔委員、楊瓊瓔委員，楊瓊瓔委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:45.490857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:50.348000+08:00","text":"鄭天財委員、鄭天財委員，鄭天財委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:50.648000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T10:59:55.505143+08:00","text":"許忠信委員、許忠信委員，許忠信委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T10:59:55.805143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:00:00.6622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