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OK謝謝主席長那我請這個財政部今天是阮次長來嗎還是誰次長好來 林次長那你邊走我邊問啦這個"},{"start":486.701,"end":514.635,"text":"2025年 去年 按照你們的資料全國的賦稅的收入是3,879億 創歷史新高連續五年呈現正成長然後呢 高出預算數最多其實就是證交稅啦證交稅這一個超出預算數234億 那其實是遺產稅那但是呢 看起來 這個我們的稅率是增加的"},{"start":515.643,"end":527.274,"text":"但是呢 這也是從2021年來首次出現的短針跟運算數相比呢 去年的10針的金額叫運算數短少了143億元那 請教一下市長 這個"},{"start":531.838,"end":552.83,"text":"我們的賦稅收入增加,但是實際上又短徵,那短徵原因在哪裡?其實我覺得最主要,最主要因為...署長,最主要是因為他去年,就是我們在去年結算申報的時候,前一年的時候我們是有給他分期或者延期申報"},{"start":554.371,"end":577.479,"text":"那到去年申報的時候,他就整個要補回來所以基本上我們雖然是說有一點時申數比預算數要少一點,但是少的非常小就是在1%以內非常精準,所以我們去年的預算數的估列是非常精準的"},{"start":577.879,"end":587.566,"text":"沒有啦 你們算是那個證交稅就不精準啦證交稅一來一往就差了快400億欸你們是本來還減劣喔 本來是編2500億 減劣了193億但是實際上呢 超出預算數是234億我是說一來一往就400億了 這部分就不精準了啦"},{"start":602.197,"end":606.899,"text":"有時候是這樣啦,稅收我們編制到執行真的是有一個落差啦真的是很難掌握啦不過就去年來講,我們按來切去所以我是覺得說時增數達到預算數99%點幾也就是說差距真的非常小雖然有時候有些稅務是多的,但是有些稅務是少的我再問一下啦"},{"start":628.889,"end":657.374,"text":"這是其實是今年度的預算我們在這邊討論因為你們去年收多少今年都已經知道了嘛對對對那明年度的預算咧在我是說在證交稅這方面咧當然明年度可能是九月之後的事情但是我就是要請教一下因為目前看起來股市是蠻熱的然後呢我看你們第一季的這一個報告證交稅是連續八個月維持正成長的是是那所以說"},{"start":658.978,"end":680.075,"text":"現在在估明年的這個這個預算數還有這個這個證交稅這方面的話應該是不至於再低估了吧其實我覺得這個國際政經情勢這個變動非常的快速啦有時候還很難說現在就說得準啦這個風雨飄來的時間台灣都屹立不搖了這中東戰事突然期間這個股市"},{"start":686.299,"end":708.855,"text":"這個跌跌漲漲 台股還是 我看今天本來有到38000對 但是後來還是會掉下來對 我的意思是說 因為第一季第一季其實你們時增數是有增加的我是希望說你們在預估這個證交稅這方面的話能夠再估準一點不然你們這一個 去年你們認為說今年這一個股市沒有那麼熱 還減劣"},{"start":710.736,"end":731.853,"text":"剪裂了增加稅 隨便倒沒有啊還增加了兩百多億啊另外我跟委員順便報告一下就是說我們從今年第一季第一季我們就是全國數來講比上一年同期大概增加一千零一十五億啊但是就中央來講中央其實是少了這個三百五十三億因為是財務法的關係啊因為財務法的關係啊請市長用書面做回覆好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:36:20.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:36:20.129000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:36:20.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:36:20.969000+08:00","text":"我們先請陳主計長。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T11:36:20.969000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:36:40.134000+08:00","text":"請主計長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:36:40.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:36:40.655000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:36:40.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:36:41.175000+08:00","text":"主計長好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:36:43.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:36:51.042000+08:00","text":"現在我們才要審查今年度預算，其實今年度預算應該去年底就要審查了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:36:54.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:37:07.055000+08:00","text":"115年度總預算歲入編列2兆8,623億，歲出是3兆350億，是在去年8月29號就送到立法院來，所以超過230天，終於要付委審查了。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:37:10.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:37:35.367000+08:00","text":"其實在上禮拜我有問過主計長，面對中東戰事，去年在編預算的時候也沒有遇到，上次有跟主計長提到各部會面對中東戰事所需要的經費，你說各部會統籌下來大概需要1,292億，那時候我有提到是不是用特別預算的方式來處理？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:37:36.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:37:38.369000+08:00","text":"主計長那時候回答這也是一種方式。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:37:39.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:37:48.475000+08:00","text":"想請教一下主計長，因為現在預算付委審查了，應該有機會在5、6月的時候通過，所以現在院裡面的態度呢？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:37:48.735000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:37:56.760000+08:00","text":"因為的確我們還是需要這一筆預算來因應中東戰事，現在院裡面的態度是用特別預算呢？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:37:57.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:37:58.982000+08:00","text":"還是用追加預算的方式來做處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:38:00.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:38:07.242000+08:00","text":"因為目前還沒有定案，如果是特別預算就要擬定特別條例，先經過立法院通過。對。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:38:07.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:38:11.024000+08:00","text":"如果用追加預算就是照著時間直接辦追加預算。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:38:11.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:38:41.997000+08:00","text":"第二個，當初是提1,292億，這個是各部會提報的數據，還沒有經過整個補助期間或者是單價和細節去完成審查，但是陸陸續續……如果以中油來講，除了吸收價格，到目前為止是114億左右這個部分，但是其他還有要吸收一些成本，因為現在的進貨成本，每一個貨輪都漲價漲得非常多，所以這些成本的吸收將來要怎麼樣編列預算補貼，不然的話整個中油的財務狀況就會越來越壞！","quality":0.695},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:38:42.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:38:44.040000+08:00","text":"主計長的意思是將來不論是特別預算或是追加預算，金額會比1,292億還更多就對了？","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:39:01.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:39:15.035000+08:00","text":"這要看編列的期限是多少，譬如說如果是補助3個月、譬如說針對交通的部分，公共巴士或者其他補貼……","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:39:15.035000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:39:17.737000+08:00","text":"公共運輸。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:39:17.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:39:44.368000+08:00","text":"就是公共運輸的補貼，這個部分就要看補貼期間的多少，因為有一個油價的上限，而我們現在是凍漲，若達到上限要開始補助或者是到什麼時候截止，或者要不要補貼計程車，或者是其他相關中油的部分要怎麼補貼、台電天然氣的部分要怎麼補貼，這些都必須一個一個去算。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:39:45.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:39:56.759000+08:00","text":"各部會比如你講的經濟部或交通部、或農業部，他們目前已經有一個需要補貼的預算數字送上去了，所以你才會給我1,292億這個數字，對不對？","quality":0.807},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:39:57.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:39:58.201000+08:00","text":"這是最初期的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:39:59.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:40:12.213000+08:00","text":"對，所以我才問，如果我聽主計長這樣講，因為戰事也不知道哪時候會結束、停停打打的，所以最後有可能這個數字會再超過1,292億這個數字就對了？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:40:12.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:40:15.236000+08:00","text":"是的，也有可能啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:40:15.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:40:28.288000+08:00","text":"因為目前我們請他們陸續提報，但是這個部分，像中油，它吸收的成本非常多，以現在來講它的成本就是整個高漲起來，將來一定要有一些補貼，不然可能沒辦法……","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:40:28.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:40:31.011000+08:00","text":"所以是要用特別預算或是追加預算都還沒有確定就對了？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:40:31.011000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:40:32.011000+08:00","text":"都還沒有確定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:40:31.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:40:32.452000+08:00","text":"但是的確需要這筆預算。是的。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:40:32.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:40:34.495000+08:00","text":"因為我們的穩定物價或是對於各行各業的補貼，其實已經陸陸續續開始在做了。是。好。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:40:34.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:41:14.321000+08:00","text":"那我再請教一下主計長，總預算付委附有附帶條件，附帶條件就是要行政院在半年內提出有關軍人待遇條例還有警察人員人事條例的相關修正案，還有其他有關軍公教的保障措施，我請教一下主計長，當然目前這部分我們已經先釋憲了，但是因為在野黨有要求，為了讓總預算能夠審查，所以行政院這邊看起來是有讓步。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:41:15.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:41:27.785000+08:00","text":"卓院長是說對於這兩項修正案，還有軍公教整體待遇調整的想法，應該還可以有加強的地方，更符合國軍的照顧，也照顧到國家財政紀律，也符合憲政精神。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:41:28.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:41:30.866000+08:00","text":"請問一下主計長，這個要怎麼做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:41:31.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:41:33.906000+08:00","text":"因為看起來就是要再追加預算了嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:41:34.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:41:35.767000+08:00","text":"你們去年就是沒有這筆預算啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:41:38.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:41:48.953000+08:00","text":"這個部分我要跟委員報告，院長有指示，未來要以體制健全、法制完備，還有公平衡平、財政永續……","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:41:48.953000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:41:49.953000+08:00","text":"對，這我知道。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:41:48.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:42:08.080000+08:00","text":"以四大原則整體檢討軍公教待遇，所以這個部分，不管在公平性、衡平性，還有財政永續的基礎上是要怎麼樣，人總和一些相關的政務委員都一直在開會，在模擬整個相關……","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:42:08.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:42:25.532000+08:00","text":"對，我的意思是說這四個條件最後要完備，但是要符合在野黨他們的要求，我看起來就是最後必須要用追加預算的方式處理，因為去年沒有編這些預算，對不對？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:42:26.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:42:33.459000+08:00","text":"說到軍公教警消或是整體公務人員待遇的調整，看起來就是要再追加一筆預算。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:42:34.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:42:43.174000+08:00","text":"我們會看將來討論出來的結果，再做整個財源的研議。對啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:42:43.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:42:46.196000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說，你們不可能沒有回應嘛！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:42:47.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:42:51.420000+08:00","text":"那就變成有回應的話，這筆預算在去年你們編的時候根本就沒有啊！","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:42:52.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:42:52.321000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:42:52.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:42:57.144000+08:00","text":"到最後還是變成要用追加預算的方式來處理，有點像是去年的禁伐補償條例的方式了！","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:42:59.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:10.352000+08:00","text":"我們必須要看整個實施的日期，因為院長要裁定實施的日期，看實施的日期到底是什麼時候，然後再確定，第一個是我們的財源，第二個是……","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:10.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:15.095000+08:00","text":"實施的日期有可能……比如說明年，那就是弄在明年的預算就對了？是。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:15.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:16.976000+08:00","text":"這也是一種方式就對了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:17.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:18.737000+08:00","text":"那你們現在在編概算了嘛？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:18.737000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:20.178000+08:00","text":"是，已經在編。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:20.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:22.219000+08:00","text":"已經在編明年的概算了，對不對？是。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:22.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:24.781000+08:00","text":"所以應該就把這筆預算想進去了嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主計長淑姿","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:27.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:38.639000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有金額，因為現在討論的還沒有定案，人總一直在提方式跟一些相關單位討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:38.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:56.961000+08:00","text":"我的意思就是似乎可能要行政院自己提，不管是條例的調整，或是我們自己主動提如何讓軍公教警的待遇能夠再增加，一定最後都是提到錢的問題嘛！","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:43:57.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:43:57.822000+08:00","text":"就是預算！是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:00.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:44:08.490000+08:00","text":"如果是在明年實施，那當然就是屬於明年的預算，可能今年就不一定用追加預算的方式來處理了，大概是這個方式嘛，是不是？是。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:09.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:44:11.111000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主計長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:11.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:44:14.694000+08:00","text":"我請財政部，今天是阮次長來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:14.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:44:16.015000+08:00","text":"還是誰？次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:16.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:44:16.595000+08:00","text":"請次長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:16.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:44:16.815000+08:00","text":"你邊走，我邊問。","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:16.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:44:28.922000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:28.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:44:49.352000+08:00","text":"按照你們的資料，2025（去）年全國賦稅收入是3兆7,879億，創歷史新高，連續5年呈現正成長，高出預算數最多的其實就是證交稅，證交稅超出預算數234億，其次是遺產稅。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:44:50.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:45:06.793000+08:00","text":"看起來我們的歲入是增加的，但這也是從2021年來首次出現的短徵，跟預算數相比，去年實徵淨額較預算數短少了143億元。是。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:45:06.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:45:15.740000+08:00","text":"請教一下次長，我們的賦稅收入增加，但是實際上又短徵，短徵的原因何在？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:45:17.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:45:41.534000+08:00","text":"其實我覺得最主要是因為，我們在去年結算申報的時候，前一年我們是有給他分期或者延期申報，到去年……申報的時候當然他就整個要補回來。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:45:42.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:45:57.459000+08:00","text":"基本上我們雖然實徵數比預算數還少一點，但是少的數額非常小，就在1%以內、非常精準，所以我們去年預算數的估列是非常精準的。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:45:57.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:45:58.199000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:45:58.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:46:00.501000+08:00","text":"你們算那個證交稅就不精準了！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:46:01.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:46:03.283000+08:00","text":"證交稅一來一往就差了快400億！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:46:03.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:46:07.266000+08:00","text":"你們本來還減列，本來是編2,501億，減列了193億，但實際上超出預算數234億，我是說這一來一往就400億了，這部分就不精準。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:46:22.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:46:23.818000+08:00","text":"有時候是這樣，稅收我們編製到執行真的是有一個落差、真的很難掌握。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:46:23.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:46:26.539000+08:00","text":"不過就去年來講，我們「掩來扯去」，所以我是覺得，實徵數達到預算數大概百分之九十九點幾，差距真的非常小，雖然有時候有些稅目是多了，但是有些稅目是少的。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:46:26.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:46:54.250000+08:00","text":"好，那我我再問一下，這其實是今年度的預算，在這邊討論，因為你們去年收多少，今年都已經知道了嘛！對。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:46:54.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:46:56.370000+08:00","text":"那明年度的預算哩？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:46:58.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:47:07.512000+08:00","text":"我是說在證交稅這方面……明年度可能是9月之後的事情了，但我就是要請教一下，因為目前看起來股市是蠻熱。是。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:47:08.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:47:15.654000+08:00","text":"我看你們第1季的報告，證交稅是連續8個月維持正成長。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:47:17.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:47:26.564000+08:00","text":"所以現在在估明年的預算數還有證交稅這方面的話，應該是不至於再低估了吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:47:28.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:47:37.152000+08:00","text":"其實我覺得國際政經情勢變動非常快速，現在很難說得準，不過我跟委員報告……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:47:38.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:47:49.482000+08:00","text":"這個風雨飄搖的時間臺灣都屹立不搖了，中東戰事的這段期間股市跌跌漲漲，台股還是……我看今天本來有到3萬8,000點。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:47:49.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:47:53.224000+08:00","text":"對，但是後來還是又掉下來，是3萬7,000點……對啦！","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:47:53.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:05.373000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，因為第1季其實你們實徵數是有增加的，我是希望你們在預估證交稅這方面的話，能夠再估準一點。是。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:05.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:12.318000+08:00","text":"不然去年你們認為，今年股市沒有這麼熱，還減列了證交稅，實際上沒有啊！","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:12.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:13.779000+08:00","text":"還增加了兩百多億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:13.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:27.749000+08:00","text":"另外我跟委員順便也報告一下，我們從今年第1季，就全國數來講，比上一年同期大概增加1,015億，但是就中央來講……","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:27.749000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:28.749000+08:00","text":"請李委員儘速結束質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:27.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:29.171000+08:00","text":"中央其實是少了353億，增加的……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:29.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.092000+08:00","text":"這是財劃法的關係啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.092000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:32.092000+08:00","text":"在地方……","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:32.092000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:33.092000+08:00","text":"對，這我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.372000+08:00","text":"因為財劃法的關係。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.372000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:32.372000+08:00","text":"對，這我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.612000+08:00","text":"請次長用書面回復。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:31.833000+08:00","text":"好，可以。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"阮次長清華","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:32.333000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:34.618714+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:34.918714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:41.490143+08:00","text":"待會兒再請林思銘委員，我們12點開放現場可以食用便當。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T11:48:41.790143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T11:48:44.075857+08:00","text":"請林思銘委員，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}