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可不可以這麼做但是我也不可不可以這麼做我花牙的我花牙根本進不到加工廠啊花牙就被挑掉了台灣的錢無期嘛所以到現在還是講不清楚把你們的方案趕快提出來謝謝楊雄議員跟以前一模一樣啦因為我們等一下會有臨時提案喔"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:50:01+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:50:04.693000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，楊瓊瓔發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:50:04.693000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:50:08.386000+08:00","text":"我們直接請農業部、財政部跟衛福部。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T12:50:08.386000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:50:12.079000+08:00","text":"請阮次長、胡次長、莊次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"胡次長忠一","start":"2026-04-23T12:50:12.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:50:12.459000+08:00","text":"委員好。好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:50:34.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:50:35.416000+08:00","text":"這個政府到底是怎麼了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:50:36.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:50:55.191000+08:00","text":"明明以前只要看到1個馬鈴薯發芽，就整櫃退回或者是整櫃銷毀，現在為了NTE、ART，在談判的過程當中，到底是誰答應的？","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:50:55.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:51:06.354000+08:00","text":"食安是沒有退路的，食安也絕對是零容忍的，到底是誰決定要退讓這個食安的標準？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:51:08.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:51:25.264000+08:00","text":"原本是只要貨櫃裡頭有1顆就整個銷毀或者是整個退運，現在決定只要把那個發芽的或者是爛的丟掉，但是以40呎貨櫃為主。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:51:27.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:51:29.287000+08:00","text":"以一個40呎的貨櫃來算，進來的有幾萬顆？","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"胡次長忠一","start":"2026-04-23T12:51:31.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:51:32.811000+08:00","text":"25噸，大概八萬三千多粒。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:51:36.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:51:37.537000+08:00","text":"八萬多顆？對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:51:39.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:51:59.125000+08:00","text":"在這個密閉式空間運送的時候，如果有1顆爛掉，潛伏期1到3天，嚴重的是7天，把這些送到工廠裡頭去遴選，請教，誰選啊？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:00.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:03.047000+08:00","text":"現在臺灣的量體有幾家可以選？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:03.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:03.408000+08:00","text":"有幾家？","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡次長忠一","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:03.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:04.608000+08:00","text":"工廠自己選。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:05.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:05.769000+08:00","text":"合格的有幾家？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:07.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:08.031000+08:00","text":"合格的有幾家？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:10.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:10.633000+08:00","text":"合格的有幾家？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"胡次長忠一","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:11.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:14.819000+08:00","text":"那個不是合格、不合格，而是必須要申請，它有申請……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:14.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:18.604000+08:00","text":"當然要申請，先申請才可以做啊！幾家？幾家？幾家？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"胡次長忠一","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:18.604000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:22.413500+08:00","text":"這通常是衛福部，不是我們農業部……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:22.413500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:26.223000+08:00","text":"來，衛福部，幾家？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:26.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:28.464000+08:00","text":"講了快兩個禮拜，沒有辦法讓民眾清楚，這個政府到底出了什麼事啊！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"莊次長人祥","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:28.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:28.964000+08:00","text":"進口的業者有21家。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:29.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:29.524000+08:00","text":"那遴選的工廠有幾家？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:29.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:31.044000+08:00","text":"發覺有1顆爛掉的，要送到這個工廠去遴選，有幾家？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:31.044000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:32.044000+08:00","text":"目前有幾家？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊次長人祥","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:32.044000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:33.044000+08:00","text":"我們過去……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:31.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:31.744000+08:00","text":"請教目前有幾家？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"莊次長人祥","start":"2026-04-23T12:52:32.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:52:34.405000+08:00","text":"目前不合格的只有兩家有在驗而已。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T1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ppm以上，整批都會退運。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:56:59.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:10.479000+08:00","text":"所以本席在這邊還是強調，校園的食安，我們絕對是一定要把關；國人的食安，我們也一定要強制讓它安全。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:11.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:30.987000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，你們所有的配套沒有一個部門可以說明清楚，所以讓國人非常地憂心，你剛剛又跟我們透露農業部現在才在跟衛福部討論，本席希望你們要好好地去把你們的方案弄出來。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:30.987000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:31.987000+08:00","text":"謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:31.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:43.410000+08:00","text":"萬一真的要退讓，你還是要把關，因為至少當食品做出來，薯條、薯片，你要正式把它貼上嘛，這個產品的來源是這個貨櫃，這個原食材是含有發芽的部分所剔除的，要讓民眾可以安心嘛。","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:43.410000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:55.076000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，請儘速結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:55.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:55.637000+08:00","text":"可不可以這麼做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"胡次長忠一","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:55.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:57.018000+08:00","text":"那個是後市場……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:57.018000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:58.018000+08:00","text":"對啊，可不可以這麼做？","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:57.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:57:58.520000+08:00","text":"衛福部可不可以這麼做？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"胡次長忠一","start":"2026-04-23T12:57:58.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:58:03.426000+08:00","text":"但是有發芽的根本進不到加工廠、有發芽的就會被挑掉了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-04-23T12:58:03.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:58:04.727000+08:00","text":"它有潛伏期嘛，到現在還是講不清楚，趕快把你們的方案提出來，讓國人安心，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"胡次長忠一","start":"2026-04-23T12:58:04.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:58:05.027000+08:00","text":"那個是源頭把關，跟以前一模一樣。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T12:58:05.027000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:58:06.027000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T12:58:05.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-23T12:58:05.428000+08:00","text":"因為等一下委員會有臨時提案，請列席的委員把握時間，4分鐘。","quality":0.44},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T12:58:05.928000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:58:10.785143+08:00","text":"鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-23T12:58:11.085143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-23T12:58:13.656571+08:00","text":"接下來請郭昱晴委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}