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survey現在看起來因為時間很少對於尖針型跟攻擊型大概廣布現在認為的配置大概是不是很簡單可以跟大家說一下"},{"start":487.85,"end":515.05,"text":"有關這個無人機艦增跟攻擊我們區分戰略作戰以及戰術三個層次那會依照納入我們聯合勤艦增以及部隊在戰時從他的作戰責任遞進需求去做整體的配置那有關攻擊型的也是按照這個方式所以我們裡面看到有中程進程的自殺式無人機裡面有投彈式那當然還有FPV依照整個防衛作戰的進程跟整個防衛作戰的概念"},{"start":515.81,"end":524.536,"text":"來去做兵力整合的配置從監偵到打擊希望能夠加快我們的擊殺鏈能夠再讓第一線部隊能夠獲得即爭即攻的能量"},{"start":545.35,"end":545.418,"text":"谢谢大家"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.820000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.940000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.960000+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.960000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T10:29:47.960000+08:00","text":"是，王委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:29:46.980000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:29:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:29:47.440000+08:00","text":"我們上禮拜審查條例，也做了一些協商，今天下午還要繼續協商。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:29:47.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:30:50.261000+08:00","text":"部長應該有掌握這個訊息，這幾天有很多人在問，就是美國陸軍的最高指導Dan Driscoll說，他們對M109A7自走砲有一些comment，他們覺得它的速度比較慢，好像必須要經過幾個程序，大概需要15分鐘，所以那天他在國會的聽證上說他們會減少採購，好像規劃要從七點多億一路下滑到大概不到1億元的採購金額。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:30:54.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:31:12.303000+08:00","text":"他在那個會議中也提到他們會研發一些速度更快的自走砲來替代，因為這個已經是我們LOA的項目，國防部應該有掌握到這個部分，我們跟美國的部署可能概念不是很一樣，是不是請國防部趁這個機會跟大家做一個說明，好不好？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"陳參謀長建義","start":"2026-04-27T10:31:16.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:31:31.110000+08:00","text":"報告委員，是的，我們在媒體也看到這樣的報導，但我要跟委員報告，首先，我不知道這個報導上面講的，A7的放列速度大約要15分鐘，因為這個跟實際上的放列速度是有很大的差異。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:31:31.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:31:31.590000+08:00","text":"所以這個是有問題的，應該沒有這麼慢。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳參謀長建義","start":"2026-04-27T10:31:32.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:31:34.191000+08:00","text":"我不知道這個報導的數據是怎麼來，因為真實的數據不是這樣子。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"陳參謀長建義","start":"2026-04-27T10:31:34.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:31:39.033000+08:00","text":"第二個，事實上，美軍是講未來不會再去擴大M109A7的採購，但是現行部署的M109A7仍然會持續使用，它會去尋找新的更快速符合未來戰場上需要的標的。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳參謀長建義","start":"2026-04-27T10:31:39.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:32:22.441000+08:00","text":"但是實際上針對這個報導，我們也做了專案研析，也就是它所謂未來尋找的這個標的，到底是3年後，還是5年後，甚至於這個標的是不是符合我們防衛作戰的需求，如果這個標的是符合我們的需求，我們真的去納入所謂的聯戰和五兵，我們在未來採購的排序，也未必會在7到8年內快速獲得。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"陳參謀長建義","start":"2026-04-27T10:32:23.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:32:48.017000+08:00","text":"事實上，我們現行使用的這些不管是牽引砲、自走砲都服役超過40年以上，是不符合現在的防衛作戰需要，以目前來說，我們在特別預算條例裡面採購的60門，事實上，它可以單砲放列和單砲射擊，還有它的射擊的速度、交互的變換，是符合我們防衛作戰的需求，以上報告。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:32:48.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:33:02.625000+08:00","text":"因為我們也去查了一些資料，現在好像對於這種自走砲，我們很多的策略可能是shoot 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scoot就是打了要跑，未來在建軍部分是不是有考慮到這個事情，是不是要更機動、更靈活？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"陳參謀長建義","start":"2026-04-27T10:33:05.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:33:29.510000+08:00","text":"事實上，它本身的單砲放列和運用，委員剛才所說的打了就跑，事實上，這是我們在砲與砲之間和戰砲排與戰砲排之間，乃至於連與連之間作戰運用的問題，可能某一個射擊單位在射擊，一個射擊單位已經進入到陣地，它一射擊完就立刻脫離，所以事實上本來就是打了就跑。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:33:29.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:33:34.876000+08:00","text":"所以國防部現在對於M109A7的建置還是有需要。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳參謀長建義","start":"2026-04-27T10:33:34.876000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T10:33:36.078000+08:00","text":"對，還是有需要。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:33:36.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:33:36.398000+08:00","text":"對於強化我們的……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T10:33:37.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:34:19.843000+08:00","text":"其實剛剛陳參謀長已經有透露一些，事實上，除了對於購置的自走砲本來就是要採機動方式之外，我們既有這些還沒有辦法拿到其他裝備來替代之前，也要實施更機動的部署，因為現在的情況之下，如果沒有進行機動跟快速轉移的過程，是很容易受到殲滅的，所以我們都有在進行這些相關的研討，M109A7在所有砲兵作戰方面，我們在作戰運用上面，還是有它的需求。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:34:22.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:34:46.423000+08:00","text":"下一題，其實上禮拜監察院有提出報告，與機動型反制系統有關，這個應該是去年演習的時候發生的狀況，監察院也提出一些建議，他們覺得你們的評測、後勤都有一些需要檢討之處，請國防部這邊是不是針對這件事情做一下說明？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:34:46.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:34:48.445000+08:00","text":"因為我們這次的特別條例裡面也有買這些東西。","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:34:52.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:34:55.036000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是作計室次長。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:34:55.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:35:13.268000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們在無人機的反制系統，就現在戰爭上看起來，其實國軍當然有迫切的需要，而且我們早在前幾年先從無人機的建案，即無人機防禦系統、UDS系統，早在前幾年已經開始建案，這兩年正在陸續獲得，目前我們也採用……是。","quality":0.874},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:35:13.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:35:18.313000+08:00","text":"我意思是上次好像就這個驗收上或者是演習上有一些狀況嘛！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T10:35:18.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:35:22.378000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，那個是另外的，UDS是中科院的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:35:22.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:35:23.259000+08:00","text":"是中科院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:35:24.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:35:33.550000+08:00","text":"我跟委員說明的是在整體性全面的建置，所以我們區分四個面向：第一個部分是我們已經建置當中的，就是UDS系統，加上干擾槍。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:35:34.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:35:49.533000+08:00","text":"第二個部分是這次納在特別條例裡面當中所律定的主被動防禦系統，包含干擾的、包含軟硬殺的等等系統，我們迫切需要預算上的支持，來讓我們能夠建立反制無人機的能量。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:35:50.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:35:59.919000+08:00","text":"第三個部分是納入年度建案當中的，包含小批量的採購，包含人攜式、可攜式的無人機反制系統，還有干擾設備。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:36:00.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:36:24.069000+08:00","text":"當然剛剛前面報告過的，經由DIO國防創新小組來去採小批量獲得，因此，全面性的建置國防部都有規劃，但是考量無人機反制會區分有關它裡面機密的參數，我們要能夠獲得各國的資源，這必須經過相當程度的協調跟溝通，這也是國防部持續在努力當中。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:36:25.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:36:39.916000+08:00","text":"基於要獲得這些系統跟裝備，不管是從特別預算當中，或者從國防年度預算當中，都急需請委員支持，讓我們能夠建立無人機，從中、大型到小型無人機的反制能量。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:36:40.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:36:49.543000+08:00","text":"對，所以這一次的採購就可以回答監察院對國防部提出的一些建議。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T10:36:49.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:37:03.277000+08:00","text":"我們應該是說，除了我們要建置可攜式的無人機反制系統，還有軟硬殺的無人機反制系統之外，另外還要再規劃有關地面部隊無人機的反制系統。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T10:37:05.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:37:13.480000+08:00","text":"我們也會應用小批量採購來做反無人機的自動化槍塔跟輕兵器的火控系統。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T10:37:13.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:37:33.865000+08:00","text":"此外，我們也會透過中科院的科研能量，來建立有一些高能雷射的武器系統，除此之外，當然我們也很希望透過相關的管道，包括DIO等等，我們來獲得新興的一些反制無人機，現在很多都正在發展當中。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:37:35.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:37:51.128000+08:00","text":"因為時間的關係，我們最近幾天也在對無人機做一些survey，現在看起來對於監偵型跟攻擊型，國防部認為的大概配置，是不是可以很簡單跟大家說明一下？","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:37:52.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:38:09.602000+08:00","text":"有關無人機的監偵跟攻擊，我們區分為戰略、作戰以及戰術三個層次，會依照及納入我們聯合情監偵以及部隊在戰時從他的作戰責任地境需求去做整體的配置，有關攻擊型的也是按照這個方式。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"連次長志威","start":"2026-04-27T10:38:10.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T10:38:29.516000+08:00","text":"所以我們裡面看到有中程、近程的自殺式無人機，裡面有投彈式，當然還有FPV，依照整個防衛作戰進程跟防衛作戰概念來去做兵力整合的配置，從監偵到打擊，希望能夠加快我們的擊殺鏈，讓第一線部隊能夠獲得即偵即攻的能量。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:38:30.016000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T10:38:32.016000+08:00","text":"好，因為時間關係……","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T10:38:32.316000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T10:38:48.601714+08:00","text":"攻擊型的無人機，除了有投彈式的跟FPV沉浸式的以外，當然我們還看到有中型的跟更小型的攻擊無人機，依照它接戰的距離而有不同。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-04-27T10:38:48.901714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T10:38:54.616000+08:00","text":"因為時間關係，也許我會後再跟大家請教，謝謝。是。","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-27T10:38:54.916000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T10:38:58.630286+08:00","text":"接下來請牛煦庭委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}