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看看你有什麼樣的solicitation剛才你有提到的嘛那我們都不知道我還要跑去政府採購網政府採購網來介面看一下再看一下美國的前面再看一下前面的"},{"start":619.778,"end":648.705,"text":"根據不同的狀況他如果是國防部的議員他提出我們可能軍種上面有問題我該怎麼樣提出來我就透過DIO我希望說這樣子的一個機制能夠替我們解決如果我是一般的商員公司我是一般的創投我是一般的這個科技公司我想要跟國防部想要來去提案的話我在這邊可以直接選然後就提供我的公司的簡歷那我就不用一個禮拜兩個禮拜我再開一個沒有人來的公聽會或者有人來或者沒有人來"},{"start":649.585,"end":668.343,"text":"你的資料庫就在裡面啦那你就是超越原本你自己的資料庫你就不用再去綁以前的商員啦同樣的同樣中科院可能會綁定哪些公司我不知道啦或者是工研院可能平常跟哪些公司企業比較好的我們就可以超越這個東西那如果可以超越的話不是更好嗎我們可不可以盡快有一個至少"},{"start":669.404,"end":696.399,"text":"既然我們學習美方,那我們就來去看一下他們好的這個地方我們現在做是比較,僅向於我們是跟經濟部還有公園合作然後他會去媒介相關的這些商員然後會討論用一個閉門論座談的一個方式去討論我們軍種的需求然後去了解民間有哪些可以回應我們的這個需求是這樣的一個做法"},{"start":698.843,"end":719.325,"text":"好謝謝那最後跟部長來去做一個替我們嘉義的民雄航太園區來去請命DIO他進駐的就是DIO他的不同的這個Branch分部那在美國的話有波士頓有矽谷有在芝加哥有在Austin都有"},{"start":720.126,"end":742.166,"text":"那我認為說未來我們的民雄航灘園區未來可能會有產業許許多多的商業商用商規的這些產業進駐那如果未來有機會的話那DIO也可以在那邊有一個住所分處的話那可能會對我們未來的整合我們整合國防創新能力會有幫助這一點是不是可以請部長來考慮一下"},{"start":743.448,"end":757.196,"text":"就是您說在第二站那邊有一個駐點這樣子我們可以來考慮好 謝謝 謝謝部長這個對我們民教航站園區會是一個很重要的加分好 謝謝大家好 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"guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:55:26.087000+08:00","text":"你怎麼知道它不好用呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:55:26.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:55:54.446000+08:00","text":"你在戰場上經過驗證之後，它就隨時可以調整，例如CBS的節目60 Minutes有特別針對烏克蘭的部分報導，重點不是無人載具多新、跑得多快或飛得多快，而是有沒有辦法適應戰場的環境，有沒有辦法抗干擾，被干擾的時候可不可以立刻換通訊模組，這是剛才你們有提到的，或者是怎樣可以在新的戰場環境之下，用最快的速度迭代，把原型機弄出來，然後立刻再去迭代。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:55:55.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:13.213000+08:00","text":"事實上，烏克蘭基本上是每一個禮拜無人機就迭代，不是硬體突然變化，換了一個更好的電子零組件，不一定，可能只是抗干擾力增加或者是用新的solution面對戰場環境。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:13.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:17.397000+08:00","text":"對於每一個環境，我們都是不斷地適應當中，怎麼會說這個東西不好用？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:17.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:21.280000+08:00","text":"怎麼會這種載具就一定是不好的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:21.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:22.121000+08:00","text":"不可能是這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:23.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:37.674000+08:00","text":"當在野黨提出這樣的資訊，如果軍方覺得不正確，第一時間就要立刻回應，不要等到像我看到已經是三、四天之後還有人在傳這樣的訊息，我覺得這樣是不太正確的。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:38.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:38.694000+08:00","text":"接下來請部長。部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:38.694000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:46.320000+08:00","text":"是，委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:46.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:46.540000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:48.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:56:55.347000+08:00","text":"我在DIO最開始設立之後，就有針對DIB的部分跟部長討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:56:55.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:57:00.070000+08:00","text":"DIB的B就是board，意思就是做戰略層面的。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:57:00.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:57:24.285000+08:00","text":"那在美國的話，現在已經跟他們的科學委員會整合了，但是最開始在Ash Carter的時候，他們是針對一些重大的科技產業定期開會，並且把他們的報告全部公開，包含Google的執行長、AI、生物科技等等，全部都涵蓋在裡面，直接對部長提出建議。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:57:24.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:57:25.945000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有類似這樣的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T11:57:27.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:57:30.266000+08:00","text":"我們現在跟工研院有一個委託的計畫，這一點請整評司說明。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"苗司長蕙芬","start":"2026-04-27T11:57:30.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:58:11.999000+08:00","text":"您剛才問到的是DIB，就政府部門來講，行政院有無人機小組，府方也有針對國防新興科技成立了相關委員會，這是一個跨部會的機制，各司其職，會基於自己的業管針對整個國防生態體系的建構建立完整機制，雖然沒有叫做DIB，但性質跟立意是類似的。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:58:12.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:58:20.481000+08:00","text":"我講這個事情的原因在於，DIB定期出的報告基本上是把國防產業的方向點出來。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:58:20.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:58:34.767000+08:00","text":"也就是這些在一般企業商用的話，他就願意投資，因為可以由這個報告推斷未來有沒有這樣的商業需求，他們的投資量就會更大，所以我建議若能有類似這樣的做法是非常好的。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:58:35.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:58:41.640000+08:00","text":"接下來我想請教一下，關於我們的DIO，我們有沒有網站？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:58:43.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:58:43.424000+08:00","text":"DIO有沒有網站？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:58:43.424000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T11:58:48.439000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有網站？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:58:48.439000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T11:58:53.454000+08:00","text":"我們沒有網站？","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T11:58:53.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:58:59.958000+08:00","text":"就我們來講，因為剛剛您講的有一些是再上面的一個層次，這個部分剛剛已經有提到……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:00.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:59:02.459000+08:00","text":"不好意思，時間不夠，我先問一下第二題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:02.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:59:04.020000+08:00","text":"我們的DIO沒有網站……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"苗司長蕙芬","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:07.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:59:13.267000+08:00","text":"我們的網站就是設在國防部裡面，沒有特別針對新興科技的徵集另外設置網站。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:13.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:59:14.127000+08:00","text":"好，沒有網站。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:15.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:59:18.530000+08:00","text":"兩年了，我們沒有網站，你知道為什麼我要特別講這件事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:18.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:59:26.601000+08:00","text":"DIU基本上是有各個不同的……你們剛剛說你們有去訪問商源，你們的組成是什麼？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:26.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:59:35.909000+08:00","text":"我看剛才有回應，DIO的組成還是以中科院的文官為主，有些時候是從工研院借調，整個idea就不對了！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:36.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T11:59:50.001000+08:00","text":"你知道美國負責DIU的，全部都是創投或者是矽谷的創業家，又或者是軍事科技相關的。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T11:59:52.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:00:21.772000+08:00","text":"今天我們講DIO、DIU，就是要超越原本的架構，那我還要再去國防部的採購網站才知道DIO現在有什麼樣的商求、要詢問什麼樣的商情，我們要學習美國DIU，其實10年前我在國安會的時候其實對於整個DIO、DIU包含他們當時嘗試的國防創新的pipeline有寫了相關報告，後來也有寫了相關的文章。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:00:22.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:00:31.337000+08:00","text":"我們最簡單的說，如果你要超越原本的這個框架，那你就不可以再去找過去的這些商源，那你要怎麼樣不找過去的商源？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:00:32.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:00:39.340000+08:00","text":"包含你有一個自己的網站，讓他們能夠依照他們自己的需求去找看看你有什麼樣的solicitation，就是剛才你有提到的嘛！","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:00:39.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:01:27.291000+08:00","text":"可是如果我們都不知道，我還要跑去政府採購網看，我們來看一下政府採購網的介面，然後再看一下美國的，根據不同的狀況，如果是國防部的一員，他提出我們可能軍種上面有問題，我該怎麼樣提出來，我就是透過DIO，我希望這樣的一個機制能夠替我們解決，如果我是一般的商源公司，我是一般的創投，我是一般的科技公司，我想要向國防部提案的話，我在這邊可以直接圈選，然後提供我這家公司的簡歷，那我就不用花一個禮拜、兩個禮拜再開一個公聽會，也許有人來或沒有人來，你的資料庫就在裡面了，那你就是超越你自己原本的資料庫，你就不用再去訪以前的商源了。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:01:27.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:01:38.982000+08:00","text":"同樣的，中科院可能會綁定一些公司，或工研院平常可能跟一些公司比較好，我們就可以超越這個東西，如果可以超越的話，這樣不是更好嗎？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:01:38.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:01:39.522000+08:00","text":"我們可不可以儘快這樣做？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:01:41.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:01:45.266000+08:00","text":"既然我們要學習美方，那我們就看一下他們做得好的地方，來跟他們學習。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T12:01:45.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:02:08.379000+08:00","text":"我們現在的做法是比較傾向於跟經濟部還有工研院合作，他們會去媒介相關的商源，然後會用一個閉門座談的方式討論我們軍種的需求，去了解民間有哪些可以回應我們的這個需求，目前是採這樣的做法。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:02:10.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:02:11.344000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:02:11.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:02:54.146000+08:00","text":"最後要向部長替我們嘉義民雄的航太園區來請命，就是希望DIO進駐，像美國DIU在波士頓、矽谷、芝加哥、Austin都有分部，我認為未來我們的民雄航太園區可能會有許許多多商用、商規的產業進駐，如果未來有機會的話，DIO也可以在那邊有一個駐所、分處，這樣可能對我們未來整合整個國防創新能力會有幫助，這一點是不是可以請部長來考慮一下？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T12:02:55.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:03:01.962000+08:00","text":"您說的就是DIO在那邊有一個駐點，我們可以來考慮。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-04-27T12:03:01.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:03:08.214000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長，這個對我們民雄航太園區會是一個很重要的加分，謝謝大家。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-04-27T12:03:09.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-27T12:03:09.196000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-27T12:03:09.696000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T12:03:15.981714+08:00","text":"現在登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢，報告及詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-27T12:03:16.281714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T12:03:23.138857+08:00","text":"本日會議有黃仁委員提出書面質詢，請列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-27T12:03:23.438857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-27T12:03:37.724571+08:00","text":"委員書面及口頭質詢未及答復的部分或要求補充資料者，請相關機關於兩週內以書面答復，委員有約定期限者，從其所定。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}