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這個委員誤會大了怎麼會差距那麼大呢如果你說你補助五成完"},{"start":725.174,"end":750.539,"text":"對你肯定你只有一成不到耶而且新竹縣我該問你你分配到多少你可以回答我所以我才覺得說你怎麼會把這個案子我們多次的跟您拜託教育部這個案子給我們重視到目前新竹縣一毛錢都沒有拿到而且剛才告訴我3.3億只分配到1.2億35分之1.2"},{"start":755.117,"end":777.802,"text":"你看這個一層都不到委員您應該非常清楚源頭在哪裡就是整個中央地方的財政結構發生重大的變化一年4165億的通貨分配成本到地方去中央就少了這麼多的調節能力所以一般性補助降低計劃性補助也必須要做同樣的一個調整所以在裡面調整的功能就非常非常的小"},{"start":778.601,"end":802.663,"text":"那如果回到行政院現在在大院裡面還在審查的院版裁判法那我們有信心也有能力來做更合理的中央與地方的補助你有信心有合理一定要審查院版的裁判法所以如果說未來整個總預算通過之後我還是做最後的我不想這個問題再浪費下去您願意多補助給新竹縣嗎不是只有這個1.2億而已"},{"start":804.765,"end":824.481,"text":"我會請教育部在審慎的評估在中央現在僅有的這種財政條件能力底下能做多少我們盡量做大家對您的觀感就會覺得行政院一樣的民進黨執政時代的行政院怎麼會差那麼多"},{"start":825.121,"end":847.261,"text":"就是因為委員你錯誤的這種論調造成錯誤的影響連影響論調都是非常的合情合理我想我也不會去隨便做批判從開始到現在您都不提這個統籌分配稅款財發法不執行我也告訴你所以財發法不執行錢還是在你們的我們在執行的是已經修正過的財發法委員你是不是時序有點錯誤調"},{"start":848.302,"end":850.604,"text":"你已經說不執行了你現在說你有執行上一個修正案你說的是第二個修正案"},{"start":862.007,"end":886.036,"text":"回到如果是原來的版本那為什麼蘇貞昌院長他可以去一下大刀闊斧的補助計程一樣的裁判法因為他的裁判法是以前是被你們修正掉的裁判法修正後的你不執行啊回到原來的裁判法這個你誤會大了現在我們在執行的是新的裁判法拜託你我拜託你真的不要忽視難道地方沒有多拿掉"},{"start":888.137,"end":910.17,"text":"4165億的統籌分配稅款嗎委員你這個誤會很大你不執行根本沒拿掉怎麼會拿掉呢委員你這個誤會真的大不執行怎麼會拿掉呢你再回去看一下所以新興計畫也給你們了你這邊3.3億所以可見你對新竹縣的這個高中政務大辦還是多麼的不重視你的記憶是有一些落差的我只剩33秒最後我要請那個李洋理部長"},{"start":913.103,"end":940.641,"text":"那個部長請回 鄭部長請回謝謝委員您好院長我想這問題我還是問部長比較好部長你從選手轉任主管決策上任到現在七個多月了國人對你都有高度的期待也希望您能夠以自身豐富的經驗"},{"start":996.65,"end":998.152,"text":"好 謝謝林委員"},{"start":1036.046,"end":1037.086,"text":"好 謝謝林委員 謝謝左院長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:47:30.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:47:30.545000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:47:30.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:47:30.865000+08:00","text":"主席，我請卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T14:47:30.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:47:31.125000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:47:31.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:47:31.746000+08:00","text":"還有請教育部部長也一起上臺。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T14:47:32.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:47:32.486000+08:00","text":"請教育部部長備詢。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:48:01.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:48:01.465000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:48:02.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:48:02.527000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:48:02.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:48:31.865000+08:00","text":"院長，關於新竹縣在前（2024）年提出了新竹縣高中五大方案的需求，我在上個會期有跟部長及您詢問過，包含新設立縣立實驗高中、六家高中及湖口高中的增班擴校，還有文興國中與自強國中改制為完全中學，總共需求經費為35億。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:48:35.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:49:07.959000+08:00","text":"在前（2024）年1月8日，時任行政院鄭文燦副院長訪視新竹科學園區的實驗高中，當時直接承諾行政院會負責幫忙，以及中央會負責挹注有關新竹縣建校增班的經費，所以新竹縣政府就向行政院提報了申請補助35億元新設學校及增班的經費。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:49:09.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:49:44.882000+08:00","text":"同時，我們立法院教文委員會在同年7月26日到新竹地區來考察，當時教育部次長張廖萬堅以及副署長戴淑芬，也直接承諾負責會幫忙挹注有關新竹縣建校增班的相關經費，當然這也包含了苗栗以及新竹市，但是我們新竹縣就提報了35億建校增班的經費。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:49:44.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:49:57.810000+08:00","text":"我想請問院長跟部長，時間也過了快兩年了，縣府已經將這五大方案提報到行政院，請教育部來呈報給行政院，是否已經有所補助？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:49:58.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:50:00.472000+08:00","text":"目前補助的金額是多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:50:02.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:50:03.163000+08:00","text":"謝謝林委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:50:03.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:50:20.754000+08:00","text":"其中實驗中學1所、兩所是高中增班，還有兩所國中升格為完全中學，這個進度各有不同，目前這個實驗中學的進度，今年（115年度）已經設立，要準備招生了，是不是？是。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:50:22.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:50:29.919000+08:00","text":"另外兩個國中要轉成完全中學，也在今年跟明年度會陸續地改制完成。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:50:29.919000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T14:50:31.680000+08:00","text":"是，就要完成了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:50:31.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:50:44.289000+08:00","text":"所需的經費，目前教育部是納入整個新竹公立高中跟學校校舍計畫當中，包括竹苗地區的整體規劃。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:50:44.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:50:52.475000+08:00","text":"我想這個議題不只本席關心，新竹縣的另外一位委員徐欣瑩委員也非常關心。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:50:52.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:51:18.546000+08:00","text":"我看他在2024年11月29日的臉書，他表示已經拜會行政院秘書長龔明鑫（當時龔明鑫擔任行政院的秘書長），也表示感謝卓院長您，他是感謝您對這個案子的全力協助，以專簽經費補助所需的經費。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:51:18.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:51:21.747000+08:00","text":"所以我很好奇，專簽補助的經費在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:51:21.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:51:27.249000+08:00","text":"因為我剛才還打電話問新竹縣政府教育局，他說一分錢都沒有到位。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:51:28.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:51:39.922000+08:00","text":"今年幾所學校都已經在8月要完工，還有幾所在明年也是一樣就要完工了，但是經費都沒有到位！","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:51:41.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:51:45.429000+08:00","text":"所以這些經費到底行政院未來要如何補助？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:51:46.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:51:55.626000+08:00","text":"剛剛跟委員報告過，整體的經費納入竹竹苗地區公立高中整個增編校舍等等的計畫當中，這是一個完全性的計畫。","quality":0.681},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:51:56.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:51:58.268000+08:00","text":"所以已經不是專簽補助了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:51:59.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:51:59.669000+08:00","text":"教育部裡面有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:52:00.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:52:01.171000+08:00","text":"您當時是承諾要專簽補助。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:52:01.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:52:01.571000+08:00","text":"現在這是一個專案計畫。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:52:08.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:52:21.284000+08:00","text":"剛才您提到現在已經把它納入大新竹地區竹竹苗新興計畫補助的經費裡面，院長，您的意思是這樣嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:52:21.284000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T14:52:22.284000+08:00","text":"對不對？是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:52:21.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:52:23.186000+08:00","text":"再請部長來說明目前的進度。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:52:23.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T14:52:24.707000+08:00","text":"好，部長請說。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T14:52:24.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:53:02.064000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們在今年本來確實有這樣的一個計畫，行政院有三年的計畫，對新興人口學校發展的新建或者校舍的增建有44億的計畫，但是後來因為去年的財劃法修正，變成地方的經費確實是增加了，儘管地方的經費增加，我們期待國民教育在地方政府本於地方自治的權責能夠來承擔，但是教育部也把它列為一個新興的計畫。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T14:53:02.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:53:33.749000+08:00","text":"在今年也感謝大院同意新興計畫已經可以動支，我們在3.3億裡面，第一期對數位實驗高中或者增班的部分，除了規劃會獲得一些補助，我想這個部分已經可以開始，院長也在4月21日通函中央部會，新興計畫可以開始啟動。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T14:53:34.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:53:34.610000+08:00","text":"作這樣的補充說明。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:53:34.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:53:37.633000+08:00","text":"部長，您的說法我也非常了解跟理解。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:53:41.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:54:03.141000+08:00","text":"我過去也多次詢問過你，你們不管是國教署署長都私底下告訴我這個一定會專案補助，可能要經過行政院同意，但是因為財劃法的問題，所以你們對於要補助的成數到底是多少，遲遲不願意給我一個非常明確的答案。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:54:04.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:54:15.647000+08:00","text":"剛才你也很明確地說明，因為地方多了財劃法的金額挹注，所以未來的金額補助可能就會不多，就儘量把這個事項交給地方去做自治嘛！","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:54:16.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:54:29.513000+08:00","text":"但是院長，我想您自己也了解，目前行政院的態度對於財劃法是不執行的，所以我今天為什麼要提出這個問題，因為現在財劃法就是沒有執行，地方沒有這個財源，既然……有啊！","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:54:30.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:54:32.334000+08:00","text":"我們現在有財劃法在執行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:54:34.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:54:35.155000+08:00","text":"財劃法你有執行嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:54:35.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:54:42.137000+08:00","text":"今年的預算就是依照財劃法編的，只是後來再修正的財劃法更嚴重地破壞地方權利……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:54:42.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:54:47.999000+08:00","text":"如果我這樣講，院長，其實我很想告訴你，這3.3億真的是杯水車薪啦！","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:54:49.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:01.278000+08:00","text":"地方提報的是35億，這3.3億包含了大新竹地區竹竹苗三個縣市要共用，新竹縣只分配到多少，您知道嗎？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:02.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:12.876000+08:00","text":"依照剛剛部長跟委員答復的，現在我們執行的財劃法，地方的統籌分配稅款4,165億，是多了4,165億。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:13.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:21.419000+08:00","text":"既然多了那麼多，為什麼這一次在新興計畫的補助裡面只有3.3億啊？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:22.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:26.622000+08:00","text":"多是多在地方的統籌分配稅款，所以地方應該有更多的財力來處理。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:26.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:29.283000+08:00","text":"它提報出來，為什麼到現在都沒有下文呢？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:30.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:31.347000+08:00","text":"都沒有下文啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:31.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:38.392000+08:00","text":"今年的預算，你也知道現在還在審當中，新興的預算可以用，其他的預算還在審當中。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:38.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:44.075000+08:00","text":"所以院長的意思是，如果今年的總預算通過之後，絕對不只這3.3億？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:44.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:55:58.855000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，如果大院能夠再審慎地來審議院版的財劃法，未來中央地方各種補助，讓中央更有彈性、更有能力、更有調節力，絕對會比現在的財劃法還要合理。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:55:59.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:06.783000+08:00","text":"院長，我要告訴你一件事，我覺得你跟蘇前院長來比，你真的對於教育的關心沒有那麼大器。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:07.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:08.185000+08:00","text":"這不是大器……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:08.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:09.325000+08:00","text":"我告訴你一件事……","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:09.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:14.209000+08:00","text":"有錢當然能夠大器，錢都地方拿走了，地方應該大器才對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:14.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:20.853000+08:00","text":"你這樣說，我想過去依照舊的財劃法，蘇院長的時代一樣嘛，我們財劃法也沒有修正。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:21.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:23.815000+08:00","text":"是啊，那是以前的財劃法，現在已經被修正了……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:23.815000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:24.815000+08:00","text":"蘇院長，我現在告訴你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:23.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:31.420000+08:00","text":"委員，這不能本末倒置，財劃法已經被大院修正了，一年地方多拿走4,165億的統籌分配稅款，這是事實，也是目前執行的財劃法。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:36.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:56:57.614000+08:00","text":"蘇前院長在2022年的時候親自到我們當時的竹北地區，整個全臺有4個新興的區域，人家是少子化，我們是逆成長，孩子一直增加，所以有新建學校的必要，全臺有4個縣市，包含新竹縣的竹北市。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:56:59.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:57:29.192000+08:00","text":"當時我們提報了24億上來，建立4所國中、國小，蘇院長到其中一個正在興建當中的嘉豐國小視察，我跟當時的林為洲委員邀請院長一起下去看，蘇院長跟當時的潘文忠部長看了之後，馬上裁示這個絕對是家長跟孩子的需求，教育不能等待，教育不能打折扣……沒錯。","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:57:30.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:57:33.955000+08:00","text":"所以馬上他就拍板定案，補助七成！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:57:36.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:57:37.438000+08:00","text":"24億，補助七成，大概16.8億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:57:37.438000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T14:57:39.803000+08:00","text":"我覺得他很大器，非常關心，不分區域地關心……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:57:39.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:57:59.235000+08:00","text":"報告委員，如果今年中央政府還能夠維持當年蘇院長那時的一般性補助跟計畫型補助，我們當然可以朝這個方向來講，但是你所知道的，事實就是一般性補助已經大幅地減少，因為4,165億已經到了地方。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:57:59.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:04.878000+08:00","text":"院長，我已經告訴你了，我現在要的是最後的結果，我想這個過程我們不要再去討論了。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:05.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:13.263000+08:00","text":"我現在就是問你，如果以後這個財劃法，就算過了，你們也不執行，所以就回到原來的預算裡面，用預算去執行……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:13.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:17.866000+08:00","text":"並非如此，現在是有財劃法的，是大院通過新的財劃法。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:19.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:22.669000+08:00","text":"所以你還是有錢可以用嘛，為什麼只補助到3.3億？","quality":0.45},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:22.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:28.932000+08:00","text":"35億，只補助3.3億，你看這個比例連一成都不到，人家過去蘇院長是到七成欸！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:30.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:43.324000+08:00","text":"我想，卓院長您要歷史留名啊，如果您對教育是這麼關心的話，新竹縣的縣民、家長、這些孩子會感謝您的，您讓他們能夠就近入學，唸高中的時候不會……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:44.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:48.128000+08:00","text":"報告委員，你這樣的一個帽子，我可戴不起！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:48.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:56.072000+08:00","text":"如果我們現在還有當年蘇前院長時的統籌分配稅款的話，當然可以考慮，事實不然啊！","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:56.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:58:57.833000+08:00","text":"我這個講法完全是為您好，您說您帽子戴不起……","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:58:58.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:01.754000+08:00","text":"不是，中央被地方拿走4,165億的統籌分配款，這個部分委員都不提。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:01.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:13.038000+08:00","text":"我剛才就一直強調了，如果這一次的總預算付委通過之後，你還是補助這3.3億嗎？","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:13.038000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:14.038000+08:00","text":"你直接告訴我答案！","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:13.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:24.987000+08:00","text":"我們要衡量財政能力，衡量中央現在的財政能力，我們財務能力可以的話，我們當然全力補助地方，無論重大建設，甚至包括委員所說的教育，但事實已經不是這樣子了嘛。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:25.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:28.470000+08:00","text":"這個就表示您對教育這一塊真的非常小器。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:28.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:30.251000+08:00","text":"不是，委員誤會大了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:30.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:31.312000+08:00","text":"怎麼會差距那麼大呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:31.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:36.314000+08:00","text":"如果你說你補助五成，我還對你肯定，你只有一成不到欸！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:36.314000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:37.935000+08:00","text":"不是，委員你這樣子……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:37.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:41.876000+08:00","text":"而且新竹縣我剛才問你分配到多少，你可以回答我……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:41.876000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:42.876000+08:00","text":"委員，你應該非常明理的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:42.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:45.496000+08:00","text":"我非常明理，所以我才覺得你怎麼會把這個案子……委員……","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:46.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T14:59:54.458000+08:00","text":"我們多次地拜託您、拜託教育部重視這個案子，到目前新竹縣一毛錢都沒有拿到！","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T14:59:55.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:05.457000+08:00","text":"而且剛才還告訴我，只來了3.3億，只分配到1.2億，三十五分之一點二，你看，連一成都不到。","quality":0.657},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:05.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:12.019000+08:00","text":"委員，你應該非常清楚問題的源頭在哪裡，就是整個中央、地方的財政結構發生重大變化！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:13.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:26.782000+08:00","text":"一年有4,165億的統籌分配稅款到地方去，讓中央少了這麼多的調節能力，所以一般性補助降低，計畫型補助也必須做同樣的調整，以致這裡面能調整的功能就非常、非常得小。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:27.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:36.449000+08:00","text":"但如果回到現在行政院送到大院審查的院版財劃法，我們有信心、也有能力來做更合理的中央與地方的補助。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:36.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:37.310000+08:00","text":"院長你有信心、有……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:38.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:40.253000+08:00","text":"一定要審查院版的財劃法。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:43.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:47.860000+08:00","text":"未來總預算通過之後，我還是做最後的……我不想在這個問題上再浪費時間。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:48.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:50.983000+08:00","text":"您願意多補助新竹縣嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:50.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:51.643000+08:00","text":"不是只有這1.2億而已！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:53.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:58.669000+08:00","text":"我會請教育部再審慎評估。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:58.669000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:00:59.669000+08:00","text":"都已經快蓋好了，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:59.669000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:00.669000+08:00","text":"我想要再多給一點……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:00:59.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:04.574000+08:00","text":"在中央現在、僅有的這種財政調節能力下能做多少，我們儘量做。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:04.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:13.461000+08:00","text":"真的太少了，這在無形中就會影響大家對您的觀感，覺得行政院……一樣是民進黨執政，但現在的行政院怎麼會差那麼多？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:14.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:18.365000+08:00","text":"觀感就是因為委員你這種錯誤的論調所造成的錯誤影響。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:18.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:22.669000+08:00","text":"院長，我的論調一向都非常合情合理，我想我也不會隨便批判。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:23.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:25.932000+08:00","text":"從開始到現在你都不提統籌分配稅款……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:26.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:31.096000+08:00","text":"財劃法不執行，我也告訴你……所以財劃法不執行，錢還是在你們行政院……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:32.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:36.261000+08:00","text":"我們在執行的是已經修正過的財劃法，委員，你的時序是不是有點錯誤掉？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:36.261000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:37.261000+08:00","text":"有執行後來修正過的財劃法？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:37.261000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:38.261000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:38.261000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:39.261000+08:00","text":"但我們三讀通過的財劃法沒有在執行……","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:39.261000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:40.261000+08:00","text":"當然是上一個修正案……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:37.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:38.263000+08:00","text":"你都已經說不執行了，現在又說有執行……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:38.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:39.584000+08:00","text":"上一個修正案，你說的是第二個修正案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:51.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:57.129000+08:00","text":"如果是原來的版本，為什麼蘇貞昌院長可以一下大刀闊斧補助基層？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:58.070000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:01:58.830000+08:00","text":"一樣的財劃法啊！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:01:59.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:02.611000+08:00","text":"因為他的財劃法是以前的，就是被你們修正掉的財劃法！","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:03.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:04.792000+08:00","text":"修正後的你不執行啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:04.792000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:05.792000+08:00","text":"修正後已經執行過一次……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:05.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:06.613000+08:00","text":"所以就回到原來的財劃法……","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:07.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:08.293000+08:00","text":"委員，這個你誤會大了！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:08.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:10.794000+08:00","text":"我們現在執行的是新的財劃法……","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:10.794000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:11.794000+08:00","text":"不要再爭了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:10.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:13.495000+08:00","text":"院長，拜託你，我拜託你，真的不要忽視……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:13.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:18.958000+08:00","text":"難道地方沒有多拿4,165億的統籌分配稅款嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:18.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:19.718000+08:00","text":"委員，你這個誤會很大！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:19.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:21.980000+08:00","text":"中央不執行，所以根本沒拿掉，怎麼會拿掉呢？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:22.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:23.561000+08:00","text":"委員，你這個誤會真的很大，你再回去看一下。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:23.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:24.921000+08:00","text":"不執行怎麼會拿掉呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:25.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:25.822000+08:00","text":"你再回去看一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:25.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:33.987000+08:00","text":"所以新興計畫也給你們了，你卻只編3.3億，可見你對新竹縣高中這五大方案多麼地不重視……","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:33.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:36.368000+08:00","text":"你可以再看一下，你的記憶是有一些落差的。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:36.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:39.170000+08:00","text":"我只剩33秒時間，最後我要請教李洋李部長。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:44.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:45.285000+08:00","text":"鄭部長請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:55.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:55.732000+08:00","text":"委員您好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:56.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:02:58.754000+08:00","text":"院長，這問題我還是問部長比較好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:02:59.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:03:09.641000+08:00","text":"部長，你從選手轉任決策主管，上任到現在七個多月了，國人對你多有高度的期待，也希望你能以自身豐富的經驗，積極推動各項運動政策，為我國培養更多優秀的選手，一棒接一棒，在國際上發光發熱。","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:03:09.641000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:03:20.842800+08:00","text":"我們看到你主動刪除總計約3億元的預算，網路上開始熱議，一來為你的大刀闊斧拍手叫好；另一方面又擔心你會不會擋人財路？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:03:20.842800+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:03:32.044600+08:00","text":"小心黑函！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:03:32.044600+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:03:43.246400+08:00","text":"部長，對此你有什麼看法？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T15:03:43.246400+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:03:54.448200+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我上任七個月，很感謝您關心運動部的發展。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T15:03:54.448200+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:04:05.650000+08:00","text":"我們當然希望能在這邊建立更加制度化的預算編列，所以在一些審查會議上，其實找了非常多法律及會計相關的專家一起審查，也在委員們的建議下做了一些修正，後續我們會繼續朝制度化來行進。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:04:05.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:04:07.152000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝林委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:04:07.152000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:04:19.923333+08:00","text":"最後我講一個結論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:04:19.923333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:04:32.694667+08:00","text":"部長，我們希望你能合理編列標準規範及指引，對於如何與各個協會配合來培養選手及資源如何分配，以免造成資源集中在頂尖選手而壓縮中階選手的發展空間，以及如何制度化地把資源運用在選手身上，請部長用您實際的養成經驗及觀察，讓運動部成為打造臺灣優秀運動選手的靠山，這是我對您的期許。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-04-28T15:04:32.694667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:04:45.466000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:04:45.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:04:46.086000+08:00","text":"謝謝林委員，謝謝卓院長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:04:46.586000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:04:49.728857+08:00","text":"下一位請鄭正鈐委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}