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沒錯吧 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部長我去解釋一下他的背景我直接唸給你聽我沒有怪院長沒拜過部長因為那是在前文化部長任內就是鄭麗君的任內我們的補助上面寫得很清楚增進台灣流行音樂產業動態促進產業各環節多元發展提升流行音樂製作品質強化全球競爭力之影響力"},{"start":954.753,"end":954.813,"text":"好 謝謝羅委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:37:33.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:37:37.357000+08:00","text":"主席，有請卓院長還有鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:37:37.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:37:48.223000+08:00","text":"好，請卓院長、鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:37:48.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:37:48.983000+08:00","text":"羅委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:37:49.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:37:50.064000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:37:52.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:37:52.465000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:37:52.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:37:53.026000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:37:55.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:38:16.789000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，因為我這個會期到教育及文化委員會，上次在質詢時我也有跟部長說過，我到我選區的學校拜訪，然後去聽聽教學第一現場的問題，坦白講，有很多校長、家長、老師跟我反映很多問題。是。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:38:16.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:38:43.034000+08:00","text":"比方說，有老師向我反映，我們政府有很多政令宣導，為了要把政令宣導推下去，就在學校填了很多的所謂的培訓課程，可是給他們太多培訓課程的時候，反而干擾到他們教學的時程，這一點我想請問院長跟部長能不能關心一下？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:38:43.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:39:04.798000+08:00","text":"因為老師教學的重心終究還是在學生教學上面，我們的衛福部也好、我們的運動部也好或是我們的經濟部也好，確實有很多政令宣導想做，但是可以挑重點讓老師去參加這些所謂的研習，不要把老師的時間都綁進這個研習，能不能請部長關心一下這個問題，可不可以？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:39:06.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:39:24.385000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心，確實在我進教育部以後也看到第一線的老師覺得有許多行政工作是繁複的，特別是小型的學校，因為在它的結構裡面老師的編制就是比較……even我們有增加了額外、補充的師資人力，但是還是不夠。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:39:25.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:39:49.510000+08:00","text":"所以我們在今年等於已經全面的完成盤點，也就是說，去年底我們進行全面的盤點，在行政的減量裡面，只要是基本資料、線上有的，我們不會每年再叫老師去填寫。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:39:49.510000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:39:50.610000+08:00","text":"非常好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:39:50.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:00.313000+08:00","text":"另外一個，譬如有些routine每年要報表的、輔導工作的，本來每個月要填報的，我們現在改為半年。對。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:00.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:27.612000+08:00","text":"然後有一些老師的研習，我們也開始改為有些是可以線上學習，不一定要舟車勞頓；甚至有一些研習，老師過去已經參加過了相同的課題，他就不要再反覆參加研習等等，我們有將近七成大概盤點了，在這裡邊也跟委員報告，我們跟22個地方縣市政府的教育局處說：拜託！","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:27.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:28.753000+08:00","text":"我們大家一起努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:28.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:31.976000+08:00","text":"因為確實老師應該讓他更多的重心……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:31.976000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:32.976000+08:00","text":"專注在教育。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:32.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:34.659000+08:00","text":"專注在教學，把小孩子帶好，學生……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:35.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:48.013000+08:00","text":"好，首先我代表這些老師跟部長說聲謝謝，我今天也必須提出這個問題，因為事實上大概不到一個月前，我拜訪了很多選區的學校，幾乎都有提出這個問題。是。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:48.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:49.875000+08:00","text":"所以那也很好，部長也看到了這個。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:50.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:40:56.844000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，我也把大家的心聲反映給部長，等於說我帶來在教學現場的聲音給院長跟部長。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:40:56.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:41:14.722000+08:00","text":"第二個，由於少子化因素，事實上現在很多學校發生了一個問題──導護志工不足，我後來問了原因是什麼，因為少子化學生變少，其實家長也變少，但是路口沒變少啊！是。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:41:15.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:41:29.758000+08:00","text":"學生安全維護的路口沒有變少，這時候就發現，導護志工的不夠造成學生到學堂上學的過程當中就會出現安全問題，我不知道部長有沒有掌握這一點、院長有沒有掌握這一點？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:41:30.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:41:35.500000+08:00","text":"怎麼去想辦法改善這個問題，是要針對導護志工增加誘因還是怎麼樣？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:41:35.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:41:57.821000+08:00","text":"另外，導護志工現在新補的來源不夠，所以也有年齡偏高的問題，年紀大的長輩當然很熱心，可是他們在馬路上執行導護工作的時候，有時候他反而是需要被關心照顧的人，這個我也是在現場反映給部長跟院長，可以嗎？","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:41:57.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:42:11.628000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心學生的交通安全，我想就交通安全，特別是國民教育的德、智、體、群、美五育均衡發展，包含安全的教育，都是重要的，特別是對於小孩子……","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:42:11.628000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:42:12.628000+08:00","text":"部長，導護人力不足……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:42:12.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:42:47.210000+08:00","text":"另外我要跟委員報告，我們現在的通學步道，從交通部到各個縣市，也希望能夠讓學生到學校的通學步道是安全的，感謝委員的提醒，我們一直希望中小學就是社區的中心，學生來自於社區，社區的一些家長，或者他小孩子不一定還有在學校讀書，可能長大、畢業了，如果他行有餘力也能夠關照。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:42:47.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:42:55.335000+08:00","text":"我想全方面的，包含地方派出所、警察局也都在上下學的時候……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:42:55.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:42:56.916000+08:00","text":"我跟部長講，這些都要配套。是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:42:57.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:09.246000+08:00","text":"你有點出核心問題，就是我去學校訪問的時候，很多學校都共同提出導護志工的問題，所以它不是單一學校的問題。是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:09.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:15.811000+08:00","text":"它是一個系統性的問題，所以這個部分也拜託部裡研究，如果有什麼報告可以再給我，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:17.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:21.395000+08:00","text":"這個我會努力地把資訊提供給教育部，我們一起來改善這些問題。","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:21.395000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:22.395000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的提醒。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:21.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:32.964000+08:00","text":"下一個問題，院長，你知道去（114）學年度各級學校的學生總數是多少嗎？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:32.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:33.504000+08:00","text":"各級學校啊？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:34.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:34.445000+08:00","text":"這個數字……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:34.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:35.025000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，392.8萬。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:41.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:43:54.090000+08:00","text":"104年、10年前是461.6萬，所以10年少了68.8萬，這個跟我前面講的問題其實有些相關性，你也發現到學生少、家長數也少嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:43:55.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:44:00.992000+08:00","text":"它已經超過一個雲林縣的人口數，相當於1.5個臺南市的學生全部都消失。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:44:03.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:44:21.347000+08:00","text":"這個部分還沒有到谷底，你也知道現在少子化更嚴重，114學年度全國國小學生總數是116.5萬，教育部預測未來平均每學年會減少3.2萬，118學年度就跌破100萬。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:44:22.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:44:31.149000+08:00","text":"就這個部分，我在選區去拜訪的時候，其實他們有點到一個解方，我想提供給院長跟部長。謝謝。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:44:31.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:44:40.515000+08:00","text":"倒不是針對減少學生的部分，而是開始出現學校必須減班的問題，因為學生越來越少。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:44:41.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:44:58.931000+08:00","text":"可是現在也有學校的老師或校長跟我反映，包括教育團體也說，其實減班是沒辦法的事，但是在減班之前可以先做一件事，就是降低每個班級的人數。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:44:59.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:45:10.768000+08:00","text":"現行標準國小是每班29人，國中每班30人，他們認為可以分階段再往下調整，這樣可以優化教學品質，減班數也可以變得比較少一點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:45:10.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:45:14.974000+08:00","text":"我不知道部長、院長有沒有研究過這方面的可能性？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:45:16.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:45:35.659000+08:00","text":"這是一個趨勢，像我們以前在學校都是五、六十人一班，現在打6折了，有關未來的趨勢，最近有很多報導也是如此，幾年之後整個人口數會往下降，所以我們現在極力想用人口對策把它撐住，而且非常、非常地賣力，但是成效並不顯著。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:45:35.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:45:53.993000+08:00","text":"但無論如何，我們希望在面對更少的學生人數時，現有的教育資源應該做到更好，所以如果能夠朝這個方向來做的話，請教育部也來跟地方政府商量怎麼樣解決目前這個班數的問題。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:45:53.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:45:59.317000+08:00","text":"非常謝謝院長，至少我覺得院長有正面肯定這個方向，也請部裡面來研究。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:45:59.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:46:16.346000+08:00","text":"因為我確實在這趟拜訪中收獲很多，很多現場的問題如果我沒有去並不知道，既然幾個學校共同提出這個意見，我就發現他們當然有想過，所以這一點就要麻煩院長和部長再多關心一下。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:46:17.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:46:23.189000+08:00","text":"接下來要請教院長的是，少子化是國安危機，這點你們認同嘛！","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:46:23.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:46:24.289000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:46:24.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:46:31.533000+08:00","text":"少子女化的問題一直是我們人口對策當中要去解決的，當然，它已經上升到一個國安層次的問題了。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:46:32.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:46:36.308000+08:00","text":"我覺得坦白講，這個應該不用問院長，院長也會認同。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:46:37.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:46:49.457000+08:00","text":"我們少子女化的問題真的非常嚴重，比方說前年我們的新生兒還有13.4萬，去年就掉到10.7萬，今年10萬應該會保不住，沒錯吧？院長。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:46:55.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:00.328000+08:00","text":"如果照趨勢來看的話，我們現在在撐，但是不會在今年就有效果，可能往後的一、二年之後……","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:00.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:12.534000+08:00","text":"我知道，我先把問題點出來，就是今年看起來院長也不覺得樂觀，因為你看1月、2月、3月的數字就知道，都還在繼續跌，已經到10.7萬了！","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:12.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:19.258000+08:00","text":"另外我跟院長提醒一下，今天國發會不在，你知道國發會對我們新生兒的預測人數嗎？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:19.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:28.749000+08:00","text":"那個數字很有趣，你要請他們好好地去……我覺得幾乎是亂填的，你知道嗎？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:28.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:29.890000+08:00","text":"應該比現在實際上的高啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:30.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:33.752000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，就是高很多，高到不切實際。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:33.752000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:35.534000+08:00","text":"那是當時的預估啦！","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:35.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:36.474000+08:00","text":"你起碼要面對問題嘛！對！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:37.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:47:59.990000+08:00","text":"我要講的是，10年前我們的新生兒人數還有20萬，現在已經腰斬了，看起來狀況還在繼續惡化，但是我想請教一下院長，你知道韓國少子女化的問題也很嚴重，可是他們這兩年開始出現很大的反轉。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:47:59.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:48:31.548000+08:00","text":"韓國今年2月的新生兒接近2萬3,000人，是同月份7年來最高；他們去年4月到今年3月，登記懷孕的孕婦和新媽媽總人數達到35.1萬人，比前一年的30萬人增加16%；他們的新生兒人數回升到25萬人，今年可以回升到30萬人，從2024年7月起，他們的出生人數已經連續20個月呈現正成長、上升，總生育率是0.93人，較去年增加0.1人。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:48:33.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:48:38.412000+08:00","text":"我真的要拜託院長責成各部會去韓國取個經，好不好？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:48:38.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:48:55.383000+08:00","text":"有，我們現在已經把韓國甚至日本，尤其韓國，我們把它列為一個很重要的觀察對象，他們在一、兩年當中能夠從0.8一直上升到0.9，他們出現這個趨勢，我們認為其中一定有某些因素和我們相同，我們可以來共同學習。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:48:56.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:01.164000+08:00","text":"院長，所以你打算訂定的目標有想好了嗎？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:01.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:03.848000+08:00","text":"就是對於我們的總出生率，你有沒有什麼新的目標？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:03.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:22.849000+08:00","text":"我現在講，賴總統2017年擔任行政院長的時候，我們的總生育率是1.17人，他那時候訂下2030年要把總生育率提高到1.4人的目標，可是到現在努力了8年，結果我們的生育率從1.17人掉到剩下0.695人！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:23.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:30.172000+08:00","text":"我不知道院長有沒有把握能夠回到2017年賴總統的版本，把生育率訂到1.4人？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:30.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:31.453000+08:00","text":"做得到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:31.453000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:37.296000+08:00","text":"應該沒有一步到位的可能性，但我們先從0.69開始往上升，先到0.8、0.9，一路再往上。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:37.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:38.016000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以到0.8？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:41.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:44.769000+08:00","text":"我們現在在訂整套的計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:44.769000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:45.769000+08:00","text":"總有一個時程吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:44.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:48.518000+08:00","text":"一年、兩年、三年、五年，有沒有一個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:48.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:49:54.441000+08:00","text":"院長，抱歉，這不是在刁難你，因為我們在做公共政策，我們設定目標一定有配搭所謂的時間……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:49:54.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:50:11.832000+08:00","text":"既然韓國可以在兩年之內有一個明顯顯著的變化，我們可以充分地去吸取他的經驗，跟我們國情相同的，我們給這些年輕的家庭更多的補助、更多的時間，讓他有彈性，獲得更多的人力協助。好啦！","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:50:11.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:50:15.654000+08:00","text":"我不直接說你兩年要到0.8，但是往這目標努力，好不好？是。好。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:50:18.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:50:23.180000+08:00","text":"時間先暫停一下，先請我們鄭部長回座，請李遠部長上臺。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:50:23.180000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:50:39.091000+08:00","text":"請文化部長備詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:50:39.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:51:04.457000+08:00","text":"院長和部長，我接下來放一段文化部補助過的歌曲，我會消音，因為說真的，我的心臟不夠大，可能文化藝術涵養也不夠，所以有些字詞，我真的也沒辦法在國會殿堂播出來，但是在播之前，我也怕大家看不清楚那個原文是什麼，我把原句送給我們的院長跟部長，時間先暫停一下好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:51:25.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:51:26.005000+08:00","text":"好，我們開始播放。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:51:26.005000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:51:39.919500+08:00","text":"（播放影片）","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:51:39.919500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:51:53.834000+08:00","text":"好，可以停了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:51:53.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:06.501000+08:00","text":"院長、部長，不好意思喔，我真的覺得我的心臟不夠大，藝術文化、音樂的涵養可能也不夠，這一首歌文化部補助70萬耶！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:06.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:09.443000+08:00","text":"我不知道，我想請教院長，不為難啦！","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:09.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:11.204000+08:00","text":"你有辦法把裡面的歌詞念給大家聽嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:11.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:14.466000+08:00","text":"我都不敢放上去，你有辦法念出來給大家聽嗎？院長。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:15.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:17.512000+08:00","text":"我的文字造詣沒有那麼好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:18.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:21.994000+08:00","text":"每一個字，你中文都認得，但是我相信你念不出來啦。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:21.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:23.715000+08:00","text":"部長念得出來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:23.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:42.833000+08:00","text":"是這樣子，我覺得這首歌一直被大家拿出來吵，它其實是2019年我們對流行音樂的補助，對象是各式各樣，有龐克、有地下樂團，這首歌在當時就是拿到了補助，所有的評審委員都給他過……","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:42.833000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:43.833000+08:00","text":"部長，我念給你聽啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:42.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:44.693000+08:00","text":"過的原因，就是因為他是個地下樂團……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:44.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:45.934000+08:00","text":"沒關係，部長，不用解釋那麼多啦！","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"李部長遠","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:45.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:47.534000+08:00","text":"對，我先解釋一下他的背景……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:47.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:49.555000+08:00","text":"我直接念給你聽啦。好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:49.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:52:55.837000+08:00","text":"我沒有怪院長，也沒怪部長，因為那是在前文化部長任內，就鄭麗君的任內。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:52:55.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:53:06.801000+08:00","text":"我們的補助上面寫得很清楚，增進臺灣流行音樂產業動態，促進產業各環節多元發展，提升流行音樂製作品質，強化全球競爭力之影響力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:53:06.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:53:07.801000+08:00","text":"補助的標準是這個，我還是要讓社會大家來公判，那麼多的文化音樂團體需要補助，這70萬也得來不易，不是每個人都拿得到，你今天跟我講一個你們連歌詞都念不出來的歌，在這個地方得到文化部70萬補助，我只能說我的文化藝術涵養沒有鄭麗君高啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-28T15:53:07.801000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:53:08.801000+08:00","text":"所以拜託還是謹慎用公帑，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:53:07.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:53:07.813000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝羅委員、謝謝卓院長。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:53:08.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:53:17.741571+08:00","text":"下一位陳素月委員之質詢以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:53:18.041571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:53:21.184429+08:00","text":"下一位請蔡春綢委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}