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非常的安詳但是這個這個校事會議我覺得我們還是要做一個很大的一個檢查應該讓他的組織能夠比較更合理化去發展這個有待於中央地方各級學校你一定要把老師的尊嚴還有管教錢要還給老師那我們的校園的氣候才能夠才有陽光照射進來要不然我們現在的校園氣候是烏影密布所以在這裡我很沉痛的呼籲我們教育部他的用意都是好的"},{"start":519.45,"end":540.628,"text":"我覺得從這個仲裔的起點我們再來做怎麼樣的微調讓他能夠照原來設計的這種規範跟組織的精神下去執行會比較合理我們在今年事實上已經校士會過去因為本來對一些不適任老師的要解聘不續聘的"},{"start":541.348,"end":560.866,"text":"這些要進入到校事會議但是確實在去年一整年委員剛才有一個統計數字變成大小事老師可能只是一個這一個班級經營或者一個上課上一句話上課可能需要做調整被人家提醒全部都進入到校事會議對對對所以我們的我們今年已經"},{"start":566.17,"end":591.215,"text":"這個改變了嘛所以委員也知道我們現在這個匿名濫訴的這個匿名投訴我們不處理我們用分流還有許多的這些變革也跟委員報告我們也在監控OK好我們期待我們教育部的一個大刀厚斧的一個改革好謝謝部長那請主席呢我們時間暫停一下我們現在有請那個運動部里楊部長那請那個鄭部長回座"},{"start":594.172,"end":594.913,"text":"我們請立東部長備詢委員您好"},{"start":611.129,"end":625.504,"text":"好 院長 請問一下院長 你知不知道就是曾經我們有一個叫做台灣區田徑公開賽的這樣一個賽事然後後來被取消 你知道這件事情嗎 院長我知道好"},{"start":626.385,"end":642.143,"text":"那我現在就是要來請教我們李洋部長在執行的時候我在4月9號在執行的時候有執行我們的李洋部長就是說為什麼會停止那我們有"},{"start":642.743,"end":667.046,"text":"雙方有做一個溝通然後我要請部長去了解以後來跟本辦來做一個報告但是我沒有得到那個部長連結的一個報告但是我在報章雜誌看到了就是這個公開賽繼續辦但是他改了名字那我也很奇怪有一下子說要辦一下子說不辦然後要辦的時候又為什麼會改名字那這個過程我們都不知道"},{"start":667.586,"end":676.836,"text":"那這裡呢要請李洋部長來解釋一下為什麼本來就是台灣區填線公開賽為什麼會變成新北市的台灣填線公開賽"},{"start":678.207,"end":698.27,"text":"跟委員您說明,那在當天委員您講完之後,其實非常多委員都很關注,感謝你關注我們這個運動賽事的舉辦那其實當天,這幾天其實一直都有跟這個田徑協會的我知道,這個你們都有協商了,我只是覺得說很好奇為什麼你這個協商完之後,為什麼沒有送報告來到本辦啊?"},{"start":700.16,"end":715.707,"text":"那我現在就要告訴你說你這整個一個協商的過程為什麼會變成台灣區後來會變成是台灣的名字然後後來會變成新北市這個名字這個整個協商的過程你順便報告給我就好了"},{"start":716.927,"end":744.752,"text":"好 謝謝郭委員再來我要請教一下李洋部長部長你是不是有說過運動防護眼對運動相當的重要不是只有受傷的時候然後是在整個一個訓練過程當中比賽過程他們都必須要參與所以了解運動員的身體健康還有就是一個恢復的狀況所以這個運動防護眼是最了解的是不是你說過"},{"start":746.593,"end":767.925,"text":"對所以好那既然有說過那我現在要跟部長討論說目前這個運動防護員一個法例未接都停留在那個國民體議法的第10條是一個所選的一個行政命令它是叫做運動防護員那麼你是否來支持通過立法提升為運動防護師你同意嗎"},{"start":770.046,"end":796.585,"text":"跟委員您說明那這個部分確實有蠻多委員最近在提供這件事情那我們本部也是在探討運動防護員跟運動防護師這件事情因為現階段來講不管是過去的物理治療師到現在的這一個防護員希望有這個所謂的防護師這件事情我想這個牽扯面向確實蠻大因為我們不希望有好我知道這個當然是牽扯很大我現在要問你的態度你同不同意"},{"start":797.898,"end":813.041,"text":"防護員跟防護師會有一些不同防護就是把防護員提升到防護師這樣的一個經過國家考試這樣子你同不同意?官委員您報告這不是一個從沒有我現在先當然現在我先要以一個表態"},{"start":813.942,"end":841.741,"text":"你覺得我們同是運動選手然後我們知道防護眼對選手對球隊都非常的重要那你對這樣的一個提升你有沒有這樣的同意的看法表態一下就好了委員我還是要跟您報告身為一個中央機關來講我們要盤點的事情非常多這不是一個表態或不表態的狀態而是我當然好現在那個李昂部長我看你是不敢表態啦但是我要跟你講就是說"},{"start":845.483,"end":869.235,"text":"這個111年的時候呢在是不是可以讓我繼續考險部在111年的時候就有做過這樣的一個調查他同意而且呢你的政次長你的一個黃啟黃次長他也同意這一個運動員的一個防務員能夠提升到變成防務師那"},{"start":871.016,"end":890.297,"text":"我在這裡也要跟那個李洋部長還有我們院長表態因為我是支持但是這個必須要透過很多協調很多部會的協調這我知道所以呢但是呢我在這裡也要做一個表態說因為"},{"start":892.089,"end":914.146,"text":"一個運動員要有很好的一個表現心理素質要非常好的同時呢這個運動防護師運動防護員他是不可或缺的一個選手的一個最大的一個幕後的一個英雄我相信李楊你剛剛有看李楊部長你有看到你的那個在拿到奧運金牌的時候呢已經也有表態過"},{"start":915.347,"end":938.197,"text":"表態過了報告我很支持剛剛李部長在這裡的答覆非常的清楚他也認為說這個部長在這裡不是表態他是要表現工作做出來給大家看的所以不只是表態而已現在的運動防護員在現在我們重大的比賽當中政府跟球隊跟各個單項是非常非常的重視我們只要把這個重視一直拉高"},{"start":938.797,"end":944.619,"text":"各種的照護對民眾黨員更做到就可以因為台灣民眾黨在5月29號會召開一個我國運動傷害防護室的國家制度的一個公聽會那我們會邀請很多專家一起來集商來討論好謝謝蔡委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:54:14.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:54:15.268000+08:00","text":"副院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:54:17.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:54:20.531000+08:00","text":"有請卓院長，還有鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T15:54:20.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:54:21.071000+08:00","text":"請卓院長、鄭部長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:54:21.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:54:21.371000+08:00","text":"蔡委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:54:21.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:54:21.731000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:54:36.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:55:08.724000+08:00","text":"我是來自一個基層的高中老師，我要引用親子天下3月公布的一個教師幸福感的民調，還有許多媒體專題的報導都指出老師在教育現場壓力非常非常的大，行政工作、教師待遇以及校事會議，好像是三座大山壓在基層老師的身上，院長，你是否有了解？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:55:11.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:55:48.136000+08:00","text":"現在老師工作上的壓力確實不像過去，過去的那個時代，是尊師重道、吾愛吾師的時代，還有更早是「天、地、君、親、師」類似這樣的狀況，但現在來看，因為老師的各種行政壓力、情緒壓力、教學壓力，以及來自學校裡不同團體在工作上互相的一些工作交集，還有多樣化的學生，加上還有很多現狀，比方犯罪年齡下降、校園毒品、詐欺年輕化等等，都變成老師很沉重的負擔。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:55:48.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:56:02.950000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長能夠了解現在的教育現況，所謂有快樂的老師，才會有快樂的學生，這句話院長應該同意吧？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:56:05.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:56:06.564000+08:00","text":"院長，應該是同意吧？是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:56:06.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:56:17.302000+08:00","text":"所以在這裡，院長還有鄭部長是否願意跟我一起來解決教育現場的一些問題？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T15:56:20.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:56:24.051000+08:00","text":"當然，當然願意，我們願意從各角度、各方面來解決各項問題。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:56:24.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:56:30.758000+08:00","text":"好，希望能夠改善第一線老師的處境，在這裡，院長你也表態了，我們一起來努力！好。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:56:30.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:56:49.533000+08:00","text":"接下來我要請教鄭部長，教育部去年年底有說要行政減量，已經盤點150項，完成104項，達成率69%，請問鄭部長，這個69%是教育部自己盤點出來項目的完成率，還是老師實際行政工作的減少率？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:57:01.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:58:10.306000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實這兩年來，除了國教署歷年來的許多行政業務跟第一線基層老師座談、了解以外，也是這兩年來我跟基層老師的座談，經過我們全面盤點，彙整出來的，譬如有許多表單的填報，屬於學校組織的網路、電腦就可以直接download的，我們就不再請學校提報；另外，輔導工作過去是每個月月報，現在減為半年才一次；又許多相關的研習，因為怕老師舟車勞頓，也有一些改為線上研習，然後一些專業發展的研習活動，只要老師已經有研習過，我們也不希望他再參加，類似這樣的作法，我們確實在很多部分做了全面盤點。","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:58:12.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:58:33.345000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長的回答，但我還是很質疑，因為學校的行政工作，譬如一般是叫教師兼教務主任，這個教務主任就一定有這些行政工作，所以也沒辦法幫他減量啊！","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T15:58:33.345000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T15:58:36.266000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:58:36.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T15:59:22.793000+08:00","text":"確實國教法規定主任是由老師兼任，這是法律明文規定，但隨著社會快速變遷，每一個學生都是家庭的寶，我們要如何減少老師的工作壓力，誠如委員所說的，讓老師更專注在教學上，所以我們從這個學年度開始，全面協助學校在學務人力上的補助，去年這一年來，我們直接在學校裡補助這方面的教師人力將近有598位，譬如增加一名人力或者給予副組長津貼，看各地方縣市政府需求。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-28T15:59:23.554000+08:00","guesse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4-28T16:03:50.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:03:51.195000+08:00","text":"請鄭部長回座。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T16:03:54.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:03:54.593000+08:00","text":"我們請運動部部長備詢。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:03:54.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:03:54.893000+08:00","text":"委員您好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:04:12.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:04:24.884000+08:00","text":"請問一下院長，你知不知道我們曾經有一個叫做臺灣區田徑公開賽的賽事，後來被取消，你知道這件事情嗎？院長。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T16:04:24.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:04:25.484000+08:00","text":"我知道。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:04:26.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:05:05.224000+08:00","text":"那我現在就是要來請教李洋部長，我在4月9號有質詢我們李洋部長為什麼會停止，我們雙方有做一個溝通，然後我有請部長去了解以後來跟本辦做一個報告，但是我沒有得到部長任何的報告，但是我在報章雜誌看到了這個公開賽繼續辦，但是它改了名字，我覺得很奇怪，一下子說要辦，一下子說不辦，要辦的時候為什麼要改名字？","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:05:06.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:05:16.836000+08:00","text":"這個過程我們不知道，這裡要請李洋部長解釋一下，本來是「臺灣國際田徑公開賽」，為什麼會變成「新北國際田徑公開賽」？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:05:18.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:05:29.600000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，當天委員您講完之後，其實有非常多委員都很關注，感謝你關注我們這個運動賽事的舉辦，這幾天其實一直都有跟田徑協會的……","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:05:30.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:05:38.250000+08:00","text":"我知道，這個你們都有協商了，我只是覺得很好奇，協商完之後為什麼沒有送報告來本辦呢？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:05:40.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:05:55.687000+08:00","text":"我現在要告訴你的是，這整個協商的過程，為什麼會變成臺灣區……是「臺灣」的名字，後來會變成「新北」這個名字，這整個協商的過程你以書面報告給我就好了。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:05:56.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:05:57.667000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:05:57.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:06:01.668000+08:00","text":"再來我要請教一下李洋部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:06:01.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:06:26.593000+08:00","text":"部長是不是有說過「運動防護員對運動員相當重要，不是只有受傷時才需要他們，整個訓練過程他們都必需參與，必需瞭解運動員的訓練情況，瞭解運動員的身體與恢復的狀況」，所以運動防護員是最了解的，你是不是說過？對。","quality":0.736},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:06:28.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:06:47.485000+08:00","text":"既然有說過，我現在要跟部長討論，目前有關運動防護員的法律位階就停留在國民體育法第十條，這裡有一個授權的行政命令，就叫做「運動防護員」，你是否支持通過立法提升為「運動防護師」？","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:06:47.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:06:47.925000+08:00","text":"你同意嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:06:50.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:06:58.972000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，這個部分確實有蠻多委員最近在提供這件事情，本部也正在探討運動防護員跟運動防護師這件事情。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:06:59.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:07:11.861000+08:00","text":"因為就現階段來講，不管是過去的物理治療師，還是到現在的防護員，甚至希望有所謂「防護師」這件事情，我想這個會牽扯到的面向確實是滿大，因為我們不希望有排他……","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:07:12.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:07:16.565000+08:00","text":"我知道這當然是牽扯很大，我現在是要問你的態度，你同不同意？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:07:17.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:07:19.661000+08:00","text":"防護員跟防護師會有一些不太……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:07:21.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:07:27.152000+08:00","text":"經過國家考試，把防護員提升到防護師，這樣你同不同意？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:07:27.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:07:30.016000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這不是一個從……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:07:31.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:07:45.570000+08:00","text":"當然，但現在我是要你先表態，我們同是運動選手，我們知道防護員對選手、對球隊都非常重要，你對這樣的一個提升是不是持同意的看法？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:07:46.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:07:47.111000+08:00","text":"表態一下就好了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:07:47.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:07:53.875000+08:00","text":"委員，我還是要跟您報告，身為一個中央機關來講，我們要盤點的事情非常多，這不是一個表態或不表態的狀態，而是希望說……","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:07:57.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:08:06.643000+08:00","text":"李洋部長，我看你是不敢表態，但是我要跟你講，111年的時候在……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:08:10.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T16:08:14.548000+08:00","text":"委員，是不是可以讓我繼續說？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-04-28T16:08:14.548000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T16:08:15.548000+08:00","text":"我在學校這一塊……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T16:08:14.548000+08:00","guessed":fals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