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遊客變產客這個是我們的期待那就是說"},{"start":743.715,"end":751.161,"text":"我們還是需要我們當初的那個地方創生有五支建現在大概是設了四支了那還有一支建那個"},{"start":752.472,"end":777.1,"text":"店長或者是主委你們知道這一支箭是什麼箭是哪一支箭第五支箭我跟你講企業投入所以呢在這裡我們一定要鼓勵很多企業家能夠投入到一些譬如說這個觀光點因為去年我才剛剛跟那個證交所爭取就是說把地方團隊的案例放在那個整個那個企業的ESG裡面"},{"start":778.18,"end":798.019,"text":"所以現在慢慢企業知道就是說他做地方創生可以透過ESG來提升他的企業的ESG的評估表現事實上也有引進企業的協助啦包括這個中華投資公司他們有每年都贊助就是我們支持以後他們會贊助"},{"start":799.04,"end":814.265,"text":"他們當然導入一些企業的一些工序跟方式我覺得要有勇氣就是一定要企業投入那企業要投入政府應該要做一個媒介那我們地方創生就在這裡然後我另外我是來自於雲林雲林是農業大縣在這裡我要跟那個"},{"start":821.05,"end":845.74,"text":"還有我們農業部的部長我們要請教就是因為我們的大蒜是我們那個雲林縣的一個重點我們在三四月的都是在做採收那今年因為是氣貨變遷那知道這個過程農業部已經有做了一些措施但是我現在就是還是要在這裡跟農民發聲就是說除了"},{"start":850.501,"end":874.512,"text":"這個氣候變遷就變成常態了我們的存糧也太多了我們要如何來進口跟本產做一個調整不要讓農民的大蒜的價錢一直都是被壓制在很低的一個成本農業部有沒有做這樣的一個措施我跟委員報告其實大蒜的產業在雲林地區是一個非常重要的產業"},{"start":875.572,"end":889.755,"text":"那國產的大概四萬一千多噸然後進口大概一萬三千多噸表示說國產的還是大於進口的部分進口是補足我們國內的需求的不足但是今年好像是進口的存量還是很多"},{"start":890.609,"end":913.335,"text":"沒有 今年度的進口因為進口我們有去年去年的部分那是去年的部分所以在今年的部分特別是你也關注的在雲年的地區之前我們提出因為瞬間的那個採收的造成一些價格低落我們用28塊去協助這個我知道然後天然災害我們也開了天然災害的一個救助"},{"start":914.436,"end":940.173,"text":"對 這個我知道 我現在要跟農業部講的就是說現在這個是氣候變遷這是一個常態那如何我們來做一個危機處理然後能做一個危機的一個評估然後提出一個政策出來我想 這樣才能夠達到一個社會韌性嘛我們一直在談的 蔡總統也常常在講我們要有社會韌性所以呢 這一個評估 這一個我在這裡呢 我就是希望我們的農業部能夠做"},{"start":942.095,"end":945.12,"text":"氣候變遷的一些配套出來好 謝謝謝謝蔡委員 謝謝主任長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:31:41.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:31:42.116000+08:00","text":"副院長好，有請卓院長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T09:31:42.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:31:42.717000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T09:31:42.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:31:42.797000+08:00","text":"蔡委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:31:43.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:31:43.597000+08:00","text":"院長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:31:43.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:32:12.607000+08:00","text":"我們是第一次這樣面對面的質詢，今天我要就臺灣人口的結構問題來請教院長。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:32:12.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:32:33.045000+08:00","text":"因為臺灣目前已經面臨到少子化，還有高齡化這樣的人口結構問題，而且我們的人口又都是集中在六都，造成人口不均勻，所以在109年啟動了地方創生為國家戰略的一個政策。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:32:34.445000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:32:48.191000+08:00","text":"我知道院長對於地方創生也有你的願景，在已經將近八年的時間，院長，你對地方創生的願景跟期待有沒有落差？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:32:48.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:32:49.012000+08:00","text":"請院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T09:32:51.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:33:18.917000+08:00","text":"將近兩年的時間，我們也看了各地很多地方創生成功的例子，也謝謝過去國發會時代，一直對地方創生做了相當多政策、經費上以及在各種輔導上面的努力，我們看了很多，其實各式各樣都有，有餐飲店、有書店，有各種地方特色的，我認為我們應該把它串聯起來，讓它成為一整個臺灣的故事，而不是單一點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T09:33:18.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:33:32.946000+08:00","text":"每個人都非常成功，但是一定也有那些不是很成功的，如何互相經驗交流，讓成功的去協助那些現在還在努力中的，甚至把成功的例子，告訴現在想要走這條路的年輕人，讓他們可以有這樣的經驗可以依循。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T09:33:33.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:33:39.868000+08:00","text":"我覺得國發會如果再做這樣的工作努力，把它編織起來，成為整個地方創生的地方網，會更為有效。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:33:40.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:33:41.308000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:33:41.308000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:33:42.308000+08:00","text":"我在這邊跟委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:33:41.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:33:41.428000+08:00","text":"沒有，等一下。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:33:41.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:34:11.321000+08:00","text":"謝謝院長對地方創生的期許，目前已經是2026年，因為地方創生有一定的政策，然後到2030年的時候，必須就要達到人口回流，院長，你對這樣的願景，有把握嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T09:34:11.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:34:37.802000+08:00","text":"是，包括很多的青農也回到他的故鄉去，包括很多在結婚之後，一對夫妻也一起回到本來的地方，回到他的家鄉去做努力，對於這一個鄉村來看，總人口老化之後，吸引更多年輕人回來從事地方特色工作，這絕對是有幫助的，所以我剛才說應該把這個經驗再編織成一個地方創生網。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:34:39.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:35:07.503000+08:00","text":"對，因為我們要均衡臺灣嘛，所以人口也必須要從六都引流回到偏鄉地區，讓人口能夠平均化，城鄉差距能夠拉近，不要整個資源都在六都，所以我們鼓勵年輕人青農回到地方來，也就是所謂的舊文化傳承，新文化創新。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:35:07.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:35:23.535000+08:00","text":"我要請教，從108年到現在，從1.0到3.0，你們有沒有盤點目前成功的案例有幾個點？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T09:35:23.535000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:35:24.535000+08:00","text":"請主委來說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:35:23.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:35:31.781000+08:00","text":"這邊跟委員報告，我們110年到目前為止，青培站這個部分總共補助了大概148處，獎勵金的發放大概也有三百多……","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:35:32.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:35:36.925000+08:00","text":"你告訴我，你現在有沒有盤點成功的點有幾個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:35:36.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:35:38.125000+08:00","text":"有沒有盤點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:35:38.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:35:48.132000+08:00","text":"有，譬如說，在雲林有一個成功的案子，就是微醺農場，微醺農場其實是一個地方創生非常成功的案例。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:35:48.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:35:57.797000+08:00","text":"因為這個案例，我們特別為了雲林這個地方，把它轉型成為叫做智慧農業。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:35:58.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:36:13.946000+08:00","text":"目前的話，我們也是一樣持續地在推動類似這樣一個計畫，配合整個六大區域產業生活圈的現況，我們會對每一個生活圈不一樣的特性以及性質，然後來大力推動所謂的地方創生這個部分。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:36:14.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:36:19.788000+08:00","text":"主委，你真的確認你掌握的這個消息是正確的嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:36:19.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:36:22.048000+08:00","text":"就是在雲林水林的微醺農場。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:36:22.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:36:25.329000+08:00","text":"你覺得它經營得非常好，是嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:36:25.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:36:27.290000+08:00","text":"可以作為示範嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:36:27.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:36:30.571000+08:00","text":"目前來講的話，我們的回報是還算不錯的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:36:31.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:36:33.411000+08:00","text":"好，我們有機會再請主委，我們到微醺農場來參觀一下。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:36:33.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:36:33.851000+08:00","text":"可以，沒問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:36:39.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:37:04.337000+08:00","text":"除了這個微醺農場之外，我們當初選了134點，從農村漁村到中介城鎮，一直到我們的原鄉，我想每一個地方的特色不一樣，請問主委，除了這一個案子是農村型的，還有沒有其他不一樣的成功案例你可以做分享？","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:37:05.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:37:13.026000+08:00","text":"有，譬如說，我們會結合地方創生跟社區韌性，我們其實都一直在組建這樣的量能。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:37:13.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:37:40.222000+08:00","text":"譬如說在宜蘭或者是臺南這個地方，像去年臺南風災，其實有一個團隊，但是我現在名字忘了，會後我再給委員名字，那個團隊一直配合整個社區的韌性，在災害來臨當時，它就結合地方的一些力量，然後把整個復原的方式組建起來。好。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:37:43.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:37:51.505000+08:00","text":"我請教院長，有沒有把握你剛剛講的這些成功案例，人流都回來了嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:37:51.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:37:52.305000+08:00","text":"有止跌嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:37:52.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:37:53.185000+08:00","text":"有回來嗎？人流？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:37:53.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:38:04.731000+08:00","text":"報告委員，青創基地有一個規定，就是你要在地蹲點5年、6年，所以他本來就在那邊，他也做得非常好，然後可以把成果擴散。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:38:05.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:38:30.943000+08:00","text":"你剛才講的，就是不管在偏鄉也好，甚至原住民地區都有，比如說，他們回到原鄉以後，他發現這個土地可能受到農業災害，他會用比較生態的方式來耕種苦茶油，然後創造很多的附加價值出來，讓更多族人參與，產生一個地方創生轉型的很大契機。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:38:31.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:38:41.854000+08:00","text":"又比如說，包括金門或澎湖也好，他們都有他們的特色，把他們原來的產品可以更精緻化，讓產業……","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:38:43.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:38:48.339000+08:00","text":"對，我們就是要把地方的DNA發掘出來，然後加以發揚……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:38:48.339000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:38:49.339000+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:38:48.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:39:11.579000+08:00","text":"這個部分，有一些偏鄉、有一些地方創生都做得非常好，現在我還要跟大家分享的就是，因為我們這一百多個點慢慢、慢慢淘汰到現在，剛剛主委也講不出到底有多少點，我希望我們能夠去掌握目前已經成功的是哪些點？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:39:11.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:39:15.222000+08:00","text":"而且這些點可以做為國內的示範點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:39:16.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:39:21.187000+08:00","text":"院長，你知道我們從1.0到現在已經花了多少錢，經費已經花了多少錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T09:39:23.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:39:29.711000+08:00","text":"經費部分再查一下，因為這兩位都是……龔部長過去是國發會主委，很多在他手上處理……","quality":0.618},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:39:30.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:39:50.179000+08:00","text":"我現在是要跟大家講，我們錢已經花了將近300億下去，我們期望能夠看到希望，你們能夠把一些成功的案例拿出來作為我們國家的一個示範點，然後讓正在努力的這些地方創生能夠來做學習，是不是這樣子？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:39:50.179000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:39:51.179000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:39:50.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:39:55.703000+08:00","text":"所以我們希望你們能掌握到一些成功案例……會。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:39:56.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:40:11.432000+08:00","text":"現在如果有一個類似農村型且已經成功的典型的話……因為一般農村都面臨人口老化且交通不便，就這部分來說又該如何協助？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:40:12.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:40:26.678000+08:00","text":"再者，針對老化鄉村，是不是能透過地方創生來讓它變得非常成功，而成為一個適合老人居住的養生村？","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:40:27.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:40:32.760000+08:00","text":"如此，不僅有地方創生，又可以吸引外縣市的老人到這邊住？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:40:33.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:40:38.884000+08:00","text":"我認為這需要政府的協助與媒合。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:40:39.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:40:46.452000+08:00","text":"報告委員，農村現在最大的問題是第二代如何跟第一代接班，畢竟想法會有些不一樣。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:40:46.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:40:51.136000+08:00","text":"不過經過大家的磨合後，甚至可以把農村串聯起來，大家一起來做。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:40:51.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:40:54.239000+08:00","text":"現在在臺南或南部已經有很好的成效……對。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:40:56.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:40:58.543000+08:00","text":"如果委員有時間，我希望委員可以去走一趟，你就會發現……","quality":0.565},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:40:58.543000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:01.125000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:01.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:13.095000+08:00","text":"對，可以做這樣的視察，讓一些成功案例能讓正在努力的年輕人學習，讓地方創生發揚光大，這才是最重要的，畢竟花了這麼多錢，對不對？","quality":0.745},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:13.095000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:14.095000+08:00","text":"這部分跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:13.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:20.300000+08:00","text":"我們花了這麼多錢，就是希望年輕人有就業機會，這樣才能均衡臺灣……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:20.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:21.461000+08:00","text":"對，不只。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:21.461000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:32.930000+08:00","text":"我們希望能讓年輕人有機會回到故鄉來並發揮所長，將地方的在地特色發揚光大。因為……","quality":0.694},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:34.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:38.214000+08:00","text":"至於我剛剛講的類似農村型的是不是也可以做考量？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:38.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:53.579000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，地方創生不只在臺灣做，我們也會把臺灣好的範例跟國際結合，譬如我們每年都會跟日本的地方創生團隊交流，舉辦論壇……","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:53.579000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:41:54.579000+08:00","text":"對，因為我們的地方創生來自日本，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:41:53.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:42:07.150000+08:00","text":"因為時間有限，這部分就到這裡，不過我還是希望能把一些成功案例拿來做示範，因為即便有觀光亮點，也不一定能讓人口夠回流！","quality":0.66},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:42:07.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:42:18.260000+08:00","text":"像我在報紙看到，新北市平溪是一個觀光勝地，觀光人口很多，卻還是人口外流！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:42:19.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:42:27.929000+08:00","text":"一樣，雲林縣北港鎮是宗教聖地，一年有一千多萬人次來北港，卻還是一樣人口外流！","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:42:29.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:42:32.994000+08:00","text":"面對這種狀況，有沒有調查是什麼原因？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:42:33.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:42:37.759000+08:00","text":"縱使有觀光人口，為何在地人口仍舊外流？","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:42:38.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:42:38.940000+08:00","text":"這是什麼原因？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:42:39.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:42:45.804000+08:00","text":"要如何遏止這種現象，不要再繼續讓人口外流，並使年輕人回流？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:42:46.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:42:50.705000+08:00","text":"有沒有什麼政策來幫助這些有觀光亮點的地方？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:42:52.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:08.929000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們會慢慢把地方創生產業化，譬如雲林，我們都知道雲林有朝天宮，我們希望能把香客變成遊客，從而吸引一些青年回鄉駐地。","quality":0.754},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:11.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:25.172000+08:00","text":"倘若北港糖廠二號能在今年完工的話，我們也會請文化部邀請具在地特色的藝術家及業者，一起來從事文創產業。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:25.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:27.573000+08:00","text":"另外，我剛剛希望把……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:27.573000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:28.813000+08:00","text":"我知道了，因為我時間有限……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:28.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:32.854000+08:00","text":"香客變遊客，促進地方產業發展……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:34.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:35.654000+08:00","text":"對，香客變遊客，遊客變常客。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:36.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:37.135000+08:00","text":"這是我們的期待。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:40.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:51.373000+08:00","text":"當初的地方創生有五支箭，現在大概射了四支了，所以還有一支箭，院長或主委，你們知道這一支箭是什麼箭嗎？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:51.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:52.133000+08:00","text":"第五支箭是哪一支箭？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:54.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:43:56.615000+08:00","text":"我跟你們講，是企業投入。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:43:57.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:44:03.417000+08:00","text":"所以我們一定要鼓勵企業家投入，譬如觀光產業……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-28T09:44:04.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:44:22.708000+08:00","text":"去年我才跟證交所爭取把地方團隊的案例放入企業ESG裡面，所以現在企業已經慢慢知道做地方創生可以透過ESG並提升其ESG的評分標準。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:44:23.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:44:31.877000+08:00","text":"我們事實上也有引進企業協助，包括中華投資公司每年都贊助。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-04-28T09:44:32.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:44:38.201000+08:00","text":"也就是我們支持以後他們會贊助，也會導入企業的工具跟方案。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:44:39.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:44:44.223000+08:00","text":"要永續就一定要企業投入；企業要投入，政府就應該提供媒介。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:44:45.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:44:46.464000+08:00","text":"地方創生就講到這裡。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:44:47.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:45:45.790000+08:00","text":"另外，我來自於雲林，雲林是農業大縣，在這裡我要向部長及農業部陳部長請教，因為大蒜是我們雲林縣的重點，通常我們是在三、四月時做採收，今年因為受到氣候變遷的影響，我知道這個部分農業部已經有做了一些措施，但是我現在還是要在這裡幫農民發聲，除了氣候變遷變成常態，我們的存糧也太多了，我們要如何在進口跟本產間做一個調整，不要讓農民種植的大蒜一直都被壓制在很低的價格，農業部有沒有做這樣的措施？","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-28T09:45:47.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:01.949000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實大蒜產業在雲林地區是非常重要的產業，國產的大概四萬一千多噸，進口的大概一萬三千多噸，表示國產的量還是大於進口的部分，進口是補國內需求的不足。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:02.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:05.735000+08:00","text":"但是今年好像進口的存量還是很多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:06.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:09.890000+08:00","text":"沒有，今年度的進口，因為我們有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:11.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:11.510000+08:00","text":"沒有，是去年的。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:11.930000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:12.811000+08:00","text":"那是去年的部分。對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:13.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:24.854000+08:00","text":"今年的部分，特別是你也關注的，在雲林地區，之前因為瞬間採收造成價格低落，我們提出用28塊去協助去收……","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:25.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:25.934000+08:00","text":"這個我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:26.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:29.315000+08:00","text":"然後天然災害的部分，我們也開了天然災害的救助。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:30.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:46:37.600000+08:00","text":"對，這個我知道，我現在要跟農業部講的是，現在氣候變遷變成是一個常態，我們如何來做危機處理？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"蔡委員春綢","start":"2026-04-28T09:46:39.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:47:00.880000+08:00","text":"先做危機評估，然後提出一個政策，我想這樣才能夠達到我們一直在談的社會韌性，賴總統也常常在講我們要有社會韌性，所以關於這項評估，在這裡我希望農業部能夠做氣候變遷的一些配套出來。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-28T09:47:00.880000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:47:01.880000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心，我們一直持續在做這樣的評估風險。謝謝。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-04-28T09:47:00.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-28T09:47:01.060000+08:00","text":"謝謝蔡委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T09:47:01.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:47:04.417143+08:00","text":"謝謝蔡委員，謝謝卓院長。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-28T09:47:04.717143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:47:16.431429+08:00","text":"黃秀芳委員、徐富癸委員、沈發惠委員之質詢均以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:47:16.731429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:48:13.588571+08:00","text":"幾個問題與院長及部會首長們請教，鄭習會後中國中央台辦宣布十項惠台措施，鼓勵台商投資，針對這樣的措施宣布，行政院當然也有相關的說明因應，例如經濟部表示，台灣經濟發展仍依循「立足台灣、佈局全球、行銷全世界」的原則來推動，並且根據亞洲開發銀行（ADB）最新預測，今年台灣經濟成長率約七．六%、中國則為四．六%，顯示台灣整體經濟具備良好韌性與動能，台灣將按照目標與規畫持續發展五大信賴產業及AI十大建設，同時照顧國內中小微企業發展、促進內需成長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:48:13.888571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:48:52.460000+08:00","text":"我們都知道，中國惠台政策不會只是單純的經濟利多，過去以來常見中共以政治因素關閉市場，不順他們的意就變卦，尤其近年來美中脫鉤帶動供應鏈重整，台商加入紅色供應鏈是否會有好的外銷競爭力，也是一大評估重點，畢竟中國內需市場不算太好，且產能過剩與內部競爭問題尚未充分解決，要吸引廠商進入競爭仍有難度。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:48:52.760000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:49:08.760000+08:00","text":"根據經濟部投審司統計，去年台灣對中國投資額約十四億九八八七萬美元、年減五十八．九八%，占整體對外投資比重掉到三．七五%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:49:09.060000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:49:27.631429+08:00","text":"台商對中投資於二○一○年達到一四六．一八億美元的高峰，西進占整體對外投資達八十四%，但美中貿易戰後牽動全球供應鏈重組，台商西進占比直直落。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:49:27.931429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:49:41.074286+08:00","text":"因應美中兩大經濟體脫鉤趨勢，經部政策方向偏向降低對中依賴與多元布局，而非鼓勵加深對單一市場的依賴。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:49:41.374286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:49:54.231429+08:00","text":"另一方面，中國在公布對台十大措施，稱提供符合檢疫的台灣農產品輸入便利，提供台灣遠洋漁船停泊碼頭等。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:49:54.531429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:50:33.960000+08:00","text":"但自二○二一年起，中國在毫無預警且無通知下，陸續禁運台灣鳳梨、釋迦、柑橘水果、石斑等農漁產，更忽視我方多次希望諮商並恢復兩岸農產貿易要求，在中國恢復部分產品輸入後，也僅公布部分輸銷名單，但都未說明標準，中國政策有高度不確定與不透明，作法不符國際規範也無科學依據，並非台灣農產品外銷可長期倚賴的穩定市場。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:50:34.260000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:51:03.974286+08:00","text":"台灣過去生鮮蔬果輸中佔總體外銷的佔比從二○一九年最高七十三%，降到二○二二年的一．三%；中國恢復部分品項輸入後，去年佔比增到十二．六%，但仍比未禁運前低；鳳梨更從過去主要倚賴中國市場，目前轉為主要外銷到價格更好的日本市場。","quality":0.01},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:51:04.274286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:51:48.845714+08:00","text":"另外，我國漁船須依我國法律管理，在國外港口整補，必須考量業界需求，以及港口國與我合作及分享資訊關係，以共同打擊IUU非法漁撈行為，我國與中國在遠洋漁業屬競爭關係，台灣漁船仍應停靠符合我國規定與合作需求的各國港口，以利遠洋漁業管理；而漁業署也指出，自二○一二年起台灣魷魚秋刀魚漁船就特許可直航中國港口，除新冠疫情期間曾中斷，迄今都正常運作。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:51:49.145714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:52:17.431429+08:00","text":"首先，中國每到台灣選舉都會提出「惠台」措施，無論兩岸觀光交流、對台農漁產品採購，歷來選舉時都會被提出討論，看起來似乎變成中國對台介選的習慣作法，既然我們都知道他們會這麼做，那麼行政院對於這樣的作法，有沒有預先防範的措施？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:52:17.731429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:52:42.017143+08:00","text":"對我國來說任何制度，只要透明、符合國際貿易規範及遵循科學證據原則的外銷市場，都會支持並協助產業全力爭取，站在行政院的立場，面對中國這樣片面的宣布所謂的惠台政策，有哪些明確的回應及作為？","quality":0.012},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:52:42.317143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:52:55.460000+08:00","text":"行政院接續如何促使中國遵守國際貿易規範和慣例，和我方重啟科學諮商，恢復台灣農產品輸入、順暢兩岸貿易？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:52:55.760000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:53:35.760000+08:00","text":"中國數次無預警且不符國際規範、無科學依據就禁運我國農產品，具高度風險與不確定性，以前就這麼做，未來也很可能會繼續有這樣的作為，先前我國以拓展多元市場來做因應，但我們仍無法完全避免掉中國市場的風險，在這樣的狀況下，為保護我國的產業及民眾經濟安全，行政院有沒有其他避險及周全措施，來幫助我們的民眾免除危害？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員黃秀芳書面質詢","start":"2026-04-28T09:53:36.060000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-28T09:54:13.774286+08:00","text":"最後想跟院長討論一下這樣的中國惠台效應外溢的問題，巴西駐台商務辦事處處長桑路易（Luís Cláudio Villafañe Gomes 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