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記憶猶新吧親自到監察院遞交彈劾卓榮泰院長的陳情書原因是因為很清楚的證據 就罪證確鑿 叫做不附屬才化法"},{"start":372.394,"end":389.551,"text":"這個就是迴旋亂正啊兩個禮拜前翁委員 翁小玲委員還問了秘書長你立案進度那你回答說還在研究中兩個禮拜又過去了那請問你們研究結果如何 誰在研究啊是監察委員嗎 還是幕僚單位到底要研究多久 我總可以了解吧我們預計這個"},{"start":391.612,"end":404.279,"text":"這個在司法預證委員會我們請司法預證委員會等一下來說明這禮拜我跟翁委員答覆的部分事實上我們已經這個研究報告已經要在下個月的司法預證委員會送進去司法預證委員會進行體會討論"},{"start":410.824,"end":427.451,"text":"這樣是代表成案了嗎?就是代表已經要立案調查了嗎?你這樣講說要去做開會討論立案調查最後還是要監委來回覆這個問題他本身最後這案子的立案行政的部分就是要很積極嘛我們已經具體的把整個的那個行政調查的相關的資料以及研究的內容提報給監察院的委員是證據的確證最早"},{"start":438.756,"end":460.935,"text":"這個字太清楚了,這個憲法讀一讀再看一下所以說秘書長,社會大眾把監察院當作廢物院跟肥貓院也不是沒道理啦,它不是憑空污衊的您之間的論文案更濟密,現在還被翻出來想要幫它重新洗白嗎?那同樣是市民它任內的也有人提,12億的新竹棒球場的弊案"},{"start":461.896,"end":483.215,"text":"調查四年安安靜靜那個也是最正確找啊大家都看得到啊圖片啊有人受傷啊這個選手大概現在是一個廢物棒球場吧所以這個等於說四年前林志堅他的論文他的個人作用讓民進黨這個學術倫理大概這個顏面盡失那現在他又想要用自己之力不管他是請誰去陳情他會讓監察院口口捍衛的這個監察權蕩然無存"},{"start":489.46,"end":507.756,"text":"對不對 所以這個大家都看很清楚 監察院調查的效率會隨著人會隨著被調查的對象 滾動調查喔你自己人 派公務車就口頭道歉那這個有人放的 有人一放放那麼久 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謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:10:18.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:10:19.811000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:10:19.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:10:19.931000+08:00","text":"有請黃秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:10:19.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:10:20.031000+08:00","text":"請黃秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:10:20.031000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:10:21.031000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:10:20.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:10:20.111000+08:00","text":"秘書長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:10:20.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:10:47.485000+08:00","text":"秘書長，四年前就塵埃落定的林智堅論文案，最近監察院稱該案因接獲民眾陳情，所以監察委員本於職權必須啟動調查程序，並開始調查臺大國發所當時的撤銷程序。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:10:47.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:10:54.727000+08:00","text":"我想請問，是不是只要有民眾陳情，監察院就會啟動調查程序？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:10:55.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:00.609000+08:00","text":"我問的是，只要有民眾陳情，你們就會啟動調查程序？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:01.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:03.070000+08:00","text":"這當然不是必然的關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:03.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:09.251000+08:00","text":"依委員對外說明，這次調查是基於民眾陳情來進行的。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:09.251000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:12.901000+08:00","text":"秘書長，是這樣的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:12.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:18.344000+08:00","text":"您最近面對媒體時曾說，監察院一屆大概有十多萬件的案子……","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:18.344000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:19.405000+08:00","text":"是十萬左右。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:19.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:22.206000+08:00","text":"這十萬左右的案子都會處理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:22.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:23.887000+08:00","text":"都會調查嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:23.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:24.288000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:24.288000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:25.288000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法？","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:25.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:45.085000+08:00","text":"基本上我們都會儘量對陳情民眾予以函覆相關看法，不過有些由司法裁判的案件，監察院也不能對相關裁判做深入追究。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:46.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:46.927000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我們來看一下數字。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:47.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:11:49.910000+08:00","text":"這與您剛剛的報告有一點點落差，但這是我們所查詢的。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:11:50.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:02.007000+08:00","text":"去年監察院收受的人民書狀總共有1萬1,549件；核派調查的案件有186件，你知道比例是多少嗎？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:02.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:02.168000+08:00","text":"你有算過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:04.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:11.577000+08:00","text":"監察院在前一篇新聞稿中提到，就是剛剛我所講的，因民眾陳情，又基於職責，故必須啟動調查程序。","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:12.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:21.021000+08:00","text":"不過監察院所收受的陳情案跟調查數據實在落差太大了，所以我非常好奇，為何竟只有1.2%？","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:21.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:25.263000+08:00","text":"有一萬五千多件，但實際上核派調查的只有186件！","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:27.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:32.215000+08:00","text":"因此，監察委員說基於職責必須啟動調查，請問這到底是基於什麼立案標準？","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:32.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:35.642000+08:00","text":"是哪一種身分的民眾陳情才算數？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:36.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:44.350000+08:00","text":"這完全由監委依照法律來行使職權，而我們是監察行政，沒有辦法干涉他調查案……","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:44.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:47.031000+08:00","text":"你可以去了解他們的立案原則。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:47.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:53.216000+08:00","text":"立案原則有法定規範，且立案原則可以……我們這邊有……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:12:55.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:12:59.620000+08:00","text":"其實我也看過，條文上面寫的是「得」立案調查。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:00.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:09.783000+08:00","text":"這個「得」字非常詭異，也就是監察委員有做或不做的選擇權，並非所有陳情的案子都要立案調查。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:13.524000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:27.907000+08:00","text":"我也提過陳情案，我在2018年3月曾向監察院提出臺灣代理孕母法制化刻不容緩的陳情文，這麼多年過去了都沒下文，從2018年到現在都沒下文，秘書長可不可以協助我調出來重啟調查？","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:28.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:34.641000+08:00","text":"我沒辦法，但我會把您的陳情與建議帶回去，請監委……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:34.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:37.744000+08:00","text":"這不是為了我個人，是為了眾多臺灣的病人……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:39.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:39.125000+08:00","text":"請監委再……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:39.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:39.825000+08:00","text":"但你們也不管啊！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:39.825000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:43.548000+08:00","text":"所謂的「得」立案調查，到底是怎麼篩選案子的？","quality":0.278},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:43.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:44.328000+08:00","text":"我可以了解嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:47.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:50.013000+08:00","text":"到底哪些身分的人講了算數？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:50.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:50.953000+08:00","text":"而哪些人不查？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:52.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:13:54.742000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我繼續再請教你。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:13:55.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:06.096000+08:00","text":"上週監察院人權委員會發布新聞稿，與空軍中士蔡學良遭槍擊死亡命案的調查報告有關，畢竟這個案子非常久了。是。","quality":0.604},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:06.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:09.478000+08:00","text":"謝謝監察院終於對這個案子做出調查！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:09.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:16.781000+08:00","text":"我必須請教秘書長，到底蔡學良的媽媽尤瑞敏女士是在多久以前提出來的？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:17.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:19.882000+08:00","text":"他一再向監察院陳情，你知道嗎？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:19.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:21.123000+08:00","text":"你有概念嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:21.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:21.923000+08:00","text":"他陳情了多久？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:21.923000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:24.264000+08:00","text":"你不知道吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:24.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:25.805000+08:00","text":"第一次提出陳情的時間？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:33.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:38.292000+08:00","text":"他為了孩子到處陳情，向立委、向很多地方陳情，甚至還向總統陳情。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"林主任秘書明輝","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:40.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:40.534000+08:00","text":"應該從97年就開始陳情了。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:40.534000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:44.495000+08:00","text":"快二十年了。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"林主任秘書明輝","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:44.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:45.836000+08:00","text":"事件發生之後沒多久。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:45.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:51.278000+08:00","text":"確實事件發生後就開始，但正式向監察院陳情則至少從2013年開始。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:14:51.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:14:58.901000+08:00","text":"當時有洪仲丘案，這也是軍中的案件，我知道蔡媽媽從那時候就開始向監察院陳情。","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:15:00.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:15:08.285000+08:00","text":"這一、二十年下來，你們才有調查報告的結果出來，而調查結果也確認有許多單位是有疏失的！","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:15:09.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:15:12.226000+08:00","text":"秘書長，一個媽媽失去了孩子，而且有冤有弊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:15:13.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:15:14.566000+08:00","text":"也就是有冤案、有弊案在其中！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:15:15.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:15:24.068000+08:00","text":"監察院讓他等了這麼久，等了一、二十年，這種立案派查的狀況不用檢討嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"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20.110000+08:00","text":"所以你們行政部分要很積極……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:17:20.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:17:21.571000+08:00","text":"行政部分，我們已經把整個行政調查的相關資料以及研究內容提報給監察院的委員……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:17:21.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:17:36.519000+08:00","text":"這罪證確鑿，太清楚了，憲法讀一讀，再看一下。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:17:37.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:17:43.705000+08:00","text":"秘書長，社會大眾把監察院當作廢物院跟肥貓院，也不是沒道理，並不是憑空誣衊。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:17:45.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:17:51.171000+08:00","text":"林智堅論文案放四年，現在居然被翻出來，是想幫他重新洗白嗎？","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:17:51.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:17:58.898000+08:00","text":"同樣是四年，他任內的12億新竹棒球場弊案調查，這也有人提，結果調查四年安安靜靜。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:17:58.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:18:05.944000+08:00","text":"那也是罪證確鑿，大家都看得到圖片，還有選手受傷，現在大概就是一個廢物棒球場！","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:18:09.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:18:25.161000+08:00","text":"四年前林智堅的論文案，讓民進黨因學術倫理而顏面盡失，現在他又想要用一己之力翻案，不管他是請誰去陳情的，都會讓監察院苦苦捍衛的監察權蕩然無存，對不對？","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:18:25.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:18:31.646000+08:00","text":"其實大家都看得很清楚，也就是監察院的調查效率會隨著人、隨著被調查對象而滾動調查！","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:18:32.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:18:42.756000+08:00","text":"自己人派公務車就口頭道歉，有的案子一放就放那麼久，有的一放好幾年，有的就急著要撈出來，是重新要有政治動作嗎？","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:18:44.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:18:49.444000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個案子沒有辦法說明就是針對林智堅案。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:18:49.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:03.720000+08:00","text":"但監察院目前確實有這個案子，不過是在113年4月9號就已經立案了，然後一直查處到最近，經過媒體揭露，社會才知道……","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:03.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:04.720000+08:00","text":"所以我才說辦案的效率……","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:04.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:05.720000+08:00","text":"不是現在……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:05.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:06.720000+08:00","text":"你其實可以幫忙了解。是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:06.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:07.720000+08:00","text":"就整個審查過程來說，在醫療方面因為與人命相關，所以我們都會有時程，比如一個案子辦多久？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:07.720000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:08.720000+08:00","text":"是停停走走，還是根本不想辦？是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:04.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:05.603000+08:00","text":"我們會督導所屬在效率上再積極提升。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:23.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:24.264000+08:00","text":"難怪人家說……你們上次說監察院業務費不夠，衝擊諸多監察委員的業務。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:24.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:24.704000+08:00","text":"但你們現在居然還有餘裕再翻出林智堅的案子來調查？","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:24.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:25.825000+08:00","text":"某個程度上代表監察院還是有能力運作的，還是有水電、有衛生紙可以供監察院同仁使用。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:41.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:19:52.584000+08:00","text":"那是去年追加減預算後勉強……總共的業務費加起來就是全部的三成，勉強讓機關還能在日常業務上……","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:19:52.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:02.889000+08:00","text":"我的意思是說，你也可以把這個案子重啟，可見你們的調查作業需要用的預算可能還是足夠啦、還是足夠啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:03.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:03.369000+08:00","text":"絕對是不夠……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:03.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:05.551000+08:00","text":"請你要把我們這個訊息帶回去……謝謝。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:05.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:09.533000+08:00","text":"請監察院的效率不要大小眼、不要「大小心」。是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:10.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:16.615000+08:00","text":"要好好調查新竹棒球案的弊案，還有卓院長的彈劾案，可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:16.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:17.936000+08:00","text":"可以把我們的訊息傳回去嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:17.936000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:18.936000+08:00","text":"我們當然是會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:17.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:21.677000+08:00","text":"你沒有辦法負責任，但你至少可以把我的訊息傳回去，不然我是對空氣講話？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:21.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:27.519000+08:00","text":"我們每次來立法院一定把委員的心聲及替人民喉舌的內容帶回去給監察院。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:27.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:28.519000+08:00","text":"你可以放給監察委員聽，好嗎？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:27.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:27.779000+08:00","text":"這是一定的，這當然是一定的，謝謝。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:27.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:28.079000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝秘書長、謝謝主席。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席（陳委員昭姿代）","start":"2026-04-29T09:20:28.579000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:20:32.864714+08:00","text":"接下來我們請翁曉玲委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}