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什麼時候送來立法院"},{"start":313.482,"end":336.235,"text":"我們會等那個ART經過美國確認然後台灣通過ART這個相關的我們要這個條約締結條例通過以後那才會修正我們的海關進口罪責所以只要美國跟台灣的ART沒有通過這個那海關進口罪責當然就不會做這樣的修正嘛我們必須要有一個依據嘛部長我現在很認真在讀啊"},{"start":337.907,"end":364.878,"text":"行政院跟立法院的ART的版本跟USTR美國關稅總署所公布的很大地方不一樣我們蓋牌蓋很兇啊花生也好馬鈴薯也好都蓋牌啊我們得不到這個訊息啊這個馬鈴薯跟你沒有關係啦齁你關稅沒有降但是問題是發芽的馬鈴薯居然他的檢驗的標準檢驗做法就大幅倒退花生就有影響了因為"},{"start":366.158,"end":372.98,"text":"降為零關稅是你這裡要發動對不對 財政部要發動出來才有辦法變零關稅 對吧當時ART通過 經過大院通過以後我們的海關進口稅則是 行政院都沒有送來怎麼通過行政院版本ART版本都沒有送來立法院我們怎麼通過 通過一天的喔我們再看下一個 現在來講的話這個台股的日成交量"},{"start":394.657,"end":406.267,"text":"如果軍量破兆 幾乎都破兆了原來的預算 證交稅是2500億他是based on每天的成交量4288億4288億 所以證交稅最少三倍以上"},{"start":413.203,"end":424.954,"text":"你兩千五百億 三倍要去變七千五百億就多了五千億啊雖然你關稅減收 貨物稅減收來來來 請問一下關稅減收跟貨物稅減收總共減多少是指說那個穩定物價裡面減收的部分你們關稅減收跟貨物稅減收總共減收多少"},{"start":437.097,"end":445.943,"text":"從以前一開始 一今年開始我們一直是累計在算的 因為它是從到三月底為止結束多少"},{"start":449.468,"end":458.091,"text":"累計到關稅目前是多少 67億67億啊 所以不多啦我們增加5000億 增加稅增加5000億啊來 部長 沒關係啦 那數字我們私底下check沒關係反正你 我們為了照顧民生 我們所撿的關稅差不多100億不到啦"},{"start":470.155,"end":476.282,"text":"前三個月大概每個月大概差不多三十幾億左右減掉了一百億可以增加五千億前三個月按照這樣估算下來的話可以增加五千億"},{"start":491.278,"end":509.12,"text":"又會超收稅數了這時候大家要吵來吵去你也不知道股市會這麼熱我們是不是乾脆因為又有立委提出來還稅移民的事情要不要乾脆定制度化你贊不贊成要不要還稅移民制度化"},{"start":509.76,"end":518.493,"text":"都可以炒來炒去沒有所謂的還稅愚民我們的稅都是按照法律來課徵的那如果說我們的實際的徵收數超過預算數的話那這個部分第一個在公債法裡面預算法裡面以及財政局法裡面都有規定"},{"start":525.583,"end":527.626,"text":"都有規定另外115年度的預算案的稅客收入還沒有審定那在財委會審議的時候當然我們會看大院的審議的進行你講這個話喔你講這個話也是都是在放綠營貸款啊以前這樣講"},{"start":543.004,"end":557.515,"text":"到最後院長決定要發就發了嘛所以這個東西我不為難你啦你不敢做決定的但是我們覺得我個人覺得應該認真思考把它制度化啦制度化以後你也可以普遍你"},{"start":558.496,"end":572.602,"text":"估算估好一點 二方面如果真的這樣子突然來一個大爆發 很好啊 多收錢 但是這一部分多收錢還給老百姓嘛 現在來講 我沒聽到講完現在來講說我們平均工資48000 可是"},{"start":576.423,"end":602.222,"text":"六成以上領不到啊大家重新分配一下給那個沒有投資股票市場的人或者投資不對的人給他一點點的這個feedback就一萬塊也不多對於需要照顧的民眾都不遺餘力但是普發現金它並沒有分所謂需要照顧或者是它是高資產高所得者所以我們會透過預算的方式來給需要幫助需要輔助的民眾是"},{"start":605.464,"end":613.355,"text":"最近有媒體報導 股民收到長榮和運鼓勵的扣腳通知書兩次"},{"start":615.858,"end":635.818,"text":"總共三十幾萬筆這到其他上市公司上市公司有沒有這個問題沒有沒有這樣的一個情況那今天我們在下班後就會做更正今天晚上就會做更正今天下班後我們的檔案就會清理因為長榮公司重複送了兩次這個是你們個別公司的問題還是你財政部的資訊中心的責任"},{"start":639.642,"end":640.482,"text":"下一位 請郭國勇議員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:42.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:23:45.009000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請財政部莊部長。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:45.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:23:45.309000+08:00","text":"請財政部莊部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:45.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:23:45.329000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:45.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:23:46.590000+08:00","text":"部長，請問是不是你明天就出國了？是的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:46.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:23:46.910000+08:00","text":"參加亞銀的年會。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:46.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:23:47.071000+08:00","text":"亞銀理事年會。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:47.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:23:47.231000+08:00","text":"在烏茲別克。對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:47.231000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:23:56.685500+08:00","text":"名稱還是Taipei,China。是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:23:56.685500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:06.140000+08:00","text":"你要不要放under protest？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:06.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:07.440000+08:00","text":"這部分我們還是會強烈、持續的表達我們的抗議，他們擅自更改我們的名稱。","quality":0.645},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:07.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:07.640000+08:00","text":"我們現在年費繳多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:08.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:08.181000+08:00","text":"請司長來說明。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李司長明機","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:30.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:31.586000+08:00","text":"我們沒有年費。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:31.586000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:32.586000+08:00","text":"沒有年費。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:32.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:35.869000+08:00","text":"不是，我們要捐助多少？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李司長明機","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:36.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:38.631000+08:00","text":"今年捐助亞洲開發基金……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:38.631000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:40.112000+08:00","text":"100萬美元嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李司長明機","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:40.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:42.173000+08:00","text":"我們的資源調配基金是100萬美元。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:42.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:47.717000+08:00","text":"你原來列200萬美元，後來砍了100萬美元，過去都是100萬美元，今年是不是照舊捐100萬美元，你預算編多少？","quality":0.658},{"speaker":"李司長明機","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:49.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:50.079000+08:00","text":"100萬美金。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:50.079000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:51.420000+08:00","text":"100萬美金。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:51.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:55.023000+08:00","text":"100萬美金我知道，你今年度編了多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李司長明機","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:55.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:56.144000+08:00","text":"今年也是編100萬美金。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:24:56.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:24:57.946000+08:00","text":"100萬美金就可以了，不要編200萬美金，200萬我們就砍掉。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:05.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:25.845000+08:00","text":"經貿的獨立關稅領域，我們加入WTO，我們用的名稱叫臺澎金馬獨立關稅領域，簡稱Chinese Taipei，Chinese Taipei比Taipei,China好太多，請問部長有沒有往這方面努力？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:28.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:35.657000+08:00","text":"我們都持續努力，我們每一次除了參加理事年會，會跟亞銀的總裁、副總裁去表達……","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:35.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:36.857000+08:00","text":"你會提出來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:36.857000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:38.318000+08:00","text":"當然會提出來，一定會提出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:38.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:38.878000+08:00","text":"提出什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:38.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:45.983000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們是創始會員，我們用正式的國家名稱加入這個組織。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:45.983000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:46.983000+08:00","text":"對啊，我們是創始會員，怎麼會改成這樣子呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:45.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:47.143000+08:00","text":"好，那你提出什麼？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:47.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:49.705000+08:00","text":"我們當然希望用我們國家正式名稱。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:49.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:49.925000+08:00","text":"是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:49.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:50.646000+08:00","text":"ROC（臺灣）啊！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:25:52.666000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:25:59.949000+08:00","text":"ROC，對，最不堪的應該就是用Chinese Taipei，因為在全世界都用奧運模式，對不對？","quality":0.512},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:00.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:02.730000+08:00","text":"我們一定爭取用我們的正式國名ROC（Taiwan）……","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:02.730000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:03.730000+08:00","text":"ROC不容易爭取到啦！我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:02.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:03.830000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我們一定爭取，我們是創始會員國，我們當時加入的時候就是用這個名稱。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:03.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:04.030000+08:00","text":"好，你承諾這一次去還會講？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:04.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:04.170000+08:00","text":"我當然會講。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:04.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:04.930000+08:00","text":"好，要不要再跟美國講一下？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:18.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:36.975000+08:00","text":"你在這裡也講好幾年了，你講臺美不重複課稅已經講好幾年了，結果每年都雷聲大，雨下不來，到現在為止都還是沒有辦法，你要不要再跟他講一下？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:37.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:42.338000+08:00","text":"好，臺美之間的ADTA是在去年1月他的眾院就已經通過了，這已經……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:42.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:42.918000+08:00","text":"參院沒有過啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:42.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:43.158000+08:00","text":"參院還沒有通過……對啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:43.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:44.579000+08:00","text":"還沒有通過，當然包含臺灣的財政部，還有美國的財政部，以及我們的駐處（在駐美代表處）都運用各種機會去跟美方來表達，包含企業界，也透過各種機會……","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:44.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:44.719000+08:00","text":"好，你綜合判斷是什麼時候？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:44.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:26:44.799000+08:00","text":"最樂觀是什麼時候？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:26:44.799000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:07.229000+08:00","text":"今年可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:07.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:10.672000+08:00","text":"這個是涉及到美國國內的國會程序……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:10.672000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:11.672000+08:00","text":"美國現在也是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:10.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:17.119000+08:00","text":"但是也要跟委員說明，我們的財政部與美方的財政部持續都在進行實質討論，對於未來國際文書的內容，都已經在做實質討論了。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:25.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:28.668000+08:00","text":"對，問題是他一直要我們做這個做那個，要我們去投資，我們總是要跟他要一點東西回來，這是很重要的！","quality":0.452},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:29.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:35.049000+08:00","text":"是，這是很重要，所以我們認為要求我們去投資，他也要在賦稅上給我們一個確定。","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:35.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:43.571000+08:00","text":"部長，我可以不可以期待今年底以前一定可以搞定，不要雙重課稅，這樣可以嗎？","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:43.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:45.151000+08:00","text":"「期待」可以，但是「一定」是沒有辦法，因為這是他們國家的……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:47.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:49.453000+08:00","text":"莊部長期待今年可以，好。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:49.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:49.493000+08:00","text":"我們來看……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:49.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:50.034000+08:00","text":"這是我們委員的關切，也表達我們國內的心聲。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:50.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:50.294000+08:00","text":"對，你說國會議員都很關心……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:50.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:50.894000+08:00","text":"是，也表達我們國內的心聲。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:50.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:27:51.495000+08:00","text":"既然說美臺關係多好、多好，這就是一件很簡單的事情！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:27:51.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:28:04.713000+08:00","text":"再來，美國花生入臺要降為零關稅，目前在配額內是25%，農業部說得雲淡風輕，說只有占1%。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:28:04.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:28:05.193000+08:00","text":"為什麼目前只有1%？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:28:05.1930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on每天的成交量4,288億，所以證交稅最少三倍以上，原來2,500億，三倍就變7,500億，就多了5,000億，雖然關稅減收、貨物稅減收，請問一下，關稅減收和貨物稅減收，總共減多少？","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:44.892000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:30:45.892000+08:00","text":"賦稅署長要講一下嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:44.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:30:45.853000+08:00","text":"是指穩定物價裡面減收的部分……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:46.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:30:46.934000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，你們關稅減收和貨物稅減收，總共減收多少？","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:59.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:30:59.798000+08:00","text":"是指從以前一開始……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:59.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:02.239000+08:00","text":"不是，從今年開始。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:02.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:06.242000+08:00","text":"依今年開始，我們一直是累計在算的，因為它是從俄烏戰爭……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:06.242000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:07.242000+08:00","text":"累計到3月底。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:06.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:06.902000+08:00","text":"到3月底為止，是不是？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:06.902000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:11.468000+08:00","text":"到3月底為止，減收多少？","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:11.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:13.849000+08:00","text":"關稅累計到目前是67億。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:13.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:17.670000+08:00","text":"67億，所以不多，我們證交稅增加5,000億！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:17.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:32.655000+08:00","text":"部長，沒關係，數字我們私底下再check，沒關係，反正我們為了照顧民生所減的關稅差不多一百億不到，前三個月……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:32.655000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:34.778000+08:00","text":"還有貨物稅，就是因為穩定物價，每個月大概三十幾億……","quality":0.227},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:34.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:34.998000+08:00","text":"就差不多一百億……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:35.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:35.599000+08:00","text":"三十幾億……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:35.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:38.282000+08:00","text":"對，一百億左右，減掉了100億，可以增加5,000億，前三個月按照這樣估算下來的話，可以增加5,000億。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:53.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:08.536000+08:00","text":"所以又會超收稅收，這時候大家吵來吵去，就是你也不知道股市會這麼熱，因為又有立委提出來要還稅於民的事情，我們要不要乾脆制度化，你贊不贊成？","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:09.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:12.301000+08:00","text":"要不要還稅於民制度化，不必吵來吵去？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:12.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:16.968000+08:00","text":"沒有所謂的還稅於民，我們的稅都是按照法律來課徵的……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:16.968000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:17.968000+08:00","text":"超收這麼多！","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:17.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:29.005000+08:00","text":"如果我們的實際徵收數超過預算數的話，這個部分，在公債法裡面、預算法裡面，以及財政紀律法裡面，都有規定；另外，115年度預算案的稅課收入還沒有審定，在財委會審議的時候，當然我們會看大院的審議情形。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:29.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:57.194000+08:00","text":"你講這個話也都像是在放錄音帶一樣，以前也這樣講，到最後院長決定要發就發了，所以這個東西我不會為難你，你不敢做決定，但是我個人覺得應該認真思考，把它制度化。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:58.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:33:12.401000+08:00","text":"制度化一方面也可以push你估算估得好一點；二方面，如果真的像這樣突然來一個大爆發，很好，多收錢，但是這個部分多收錢，還給老百姓。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:33:12.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:33:31.813000+08:00","text":"現在來講，我們平均工資4萬8,000，可是六成以上領不到，大家重新分配一下，給沒有投資股票市場的人或者投資不對的人一點點的feedback，就1萬塊，也不多，這個要制度化。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:33:31.813000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:33:33.074000+08:00","text":"最後一個問題……","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:33:33.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:33:44.202000+08:00","text":"對於需要照顧的民眾，政府都不遺餘力，但是普發現金並沒有分所謂需要照顧者或者是高資產、高所得者，所以我們會透過預算的方式來給需要幫助、需要扶助的民眾……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:33:47.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:02.563000+08:00","text":"我問一個問題，最近有媒體報導，股民收到長榮海運股利扣繳通知書兩次，總共三十幾萬筆，其他上市櫃公司有沒有這個問題？","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:02.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:07.568000+08:00","text":"沒有這樣的情況，今天我們下班後就會做更正……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:07.568000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:08.568000+08:00","text":"只有長榮海運？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:08.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:15.035000+08:00","text":"今天晚上就會做更正，今天下班後，我們的檔案就會清理，因為長榮公司重複送了兩次……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:15.496000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:17.798000+08:00","text":"這個是個別公司的問題，還是財政部資訊中心的責任？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:17.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:18.798000+08:00","text":"是個別公司重複送了股利相關的媒體檔，所以今天晚上我們的財資中心會做更正檔……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:18.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:19.798000+08:00","text":"其他都沒有問題，就是只有長榮海運？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:19.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:20.798000+08:00","text":"對，是的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:20.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:21.798000+08:00","text":"這個是確定的？是的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:21.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:22.798000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:22.798000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:23.798000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:34:21.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:34:22.482000+08:00","text":"謝謝，下一位請郭國文委員質詢。","quality":0.692}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}