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結果你現在要無...這是台灣花生的一個特色這是台灣花生的一個特色所以我們希望別人...我們絕對會..."},{"start":677.205,"end":699.3,"text":"那怎麼辦呢我想我們會針對台灣花生做一個特殊的一個台灣花生的一個品牌然後我們也會去爭取所有的國外進口的花生它的原產地一定要標它的原產地不能標台灣這是你在這裡承諾本席的喔我是真的期待你一定要做到因為這個不落實影響的是很多家庭我想我們會跟昨天那個"},{"start":700.66,"end":711.686,"text":"農業部表示說要輔導他們轉型種別的作物你知道嗎所有老農他種了一輩子他種土豆他種花生他就只會種花生我想不要動不動就說我們的老農我們所有農業不是只有老農在做我知道但是老農比較脆弱我們也會來協助我們一定"},{"start":720.791,"end":745.57,"text":"我希望說委員在地方跟我們在農業部這邊一起來合作讓我們的產業能夠繼續往前走這才是重點是你自己說要合作的呀那你要下來啊你不下來你至少要派署長下來吧我想我們很樂意跟地方一起努力去做這樣的事情但是也不要透過任何的政治操作去做這樣的一個問題我跟你說我最不想要這個政治操作我只想要他們能夠安全"},{"start":748.033,"end":750.685,"text":"然後可以把這個產業保護住我們可以一起努力把這個產業做到好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:12.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:13.535000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我想請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:13.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:13.695000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:13.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:13.735000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:23.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:23.613000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:25.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:34.837000+08:00","text":"這個禮拜以來，我一直等著一定要今天來詢問部長，因為馬鈴薯的事情引起大家非常非常多關注。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:35.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:38.458000+08:00","text":"我現在手上有兩顆馬鈴薯，部長，你知道哪一顆是美國的，哪一顆是臺灣的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:45.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:47.785000+08:00","text":"我沒有辦法判斷，看不清楚。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:48.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:54.246000+08:00","text":"是，就是部長都沒有辦法判斷了，更何況是一般民眾。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:29:54.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:29:57.027000+08:00","text":"現在我還有一顆發芽的馬鈴薯，我想要請問部長，現在有呼籲發芽的馬鈴薯也能吃，是真的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:12.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:30:28.132000+08:00","text":"至少我從來沒有說過這樣的話，我也跟委員報告，馬鈴薯是一個活的生物體，市面上看到發芽的可能就是儲存不適當所造成的，但不能影射是進口的。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:28.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:30:33.936000+08:00","text":"本席先問一下部長，您覺得發芽的馬鈴薯能吃嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:35.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:30:55.646000+08:00","text":"我想這要看它的條件，因為相關的龍葵鹼，它的形成是在發芽以後又綠化、遇到光，所以它會累積，但是芽體的長度，跟龍葵鹼的濃度，是不是有非常正面的正相關，這還需要科學研究。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:30:56.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:02.130000+08:00","text":"假設我是一般的民眾，聽到部長這樣說，聽起來好像是，只要長一點點沒關係。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:04.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:22.178000+08:00","text":"我覺得這一定要很小心，不能夠誤導民眾，因為如果有人吃了，他又不斷接收到吃發芽的馬鈴薯沒關係這件事情，他吃了，他中毒了，到底誰要負責？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:22.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:27.901000+08:00","text":"我想我們也不應該去傳言發芽馬鈴薯能吃，我剛才說了，我從來沒有說過這句話。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:27.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:28.101000+08:00","text":"然後相對地……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:31.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:48.918000+08:00","text":"你應該知道龍葵鹼是一種神經毒素，它經高溫烹煮跟油炸是不會消失的，假設我們政府告訴大家，吃發芽的馬鈴薯沒有關係……","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:48.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:50.199000+08:00","text":"我想這也不是政府說的。好。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:51.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:51.959000+08:00","text":"政府絕對沒有這樣說。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:51.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:51.959000+08:00","text":"好，你沒有這樣說。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:51.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:31:57.042000+08:00","text":"我想衛福部更不會這樣說，所以不能說是政府說的。","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:31:57.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:05.166000+08:00","text":"那天我其實也有看到部長吃馬鈴薯，我現在擔憂的是，既然政府都知道有毒的馬鈴薯不能吃，發芽的馬鈴薯可能有龍葵鹼，為什麼還要開放不要這麼嚴格的檢測呢？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:05.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:07.388000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，所有檢驗的標準是沒有變的，只要是發芽的馬鈴薯就絕對不能進關，變成是不能入關。","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:07.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:08.209000+08:00","text":"但過去是只要有一個發芽馬鈴薯，你就是要整櫃退呀？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:27.664000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:28.805000+08:00","text":"但你現在不是啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:29.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:30.045000+08:00","text":"差別在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:30.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:33.387000+08:00","text":"你直接告訴我，我給你一個釐清的機會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:33.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:32:57.427000+08:00","text":"最主要的差別，我可以很清楚地講，過去我們是遇到一顆發芽就整櫃退，現在因為我們發現在過去的一些資料裡，整櫃裡面可能只有幾顆非常少數有發芽，我們讓業者可以有一個改善的機會，如果他提改善計畫，在指定的加工……指定的地點……","quality":0.835},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:32:57.5280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in Taiwan」，還是會標示成美國花生做的？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:36:58.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:04.035000+08:00","text":"我相信一定會標示產地，這個標籤是有規定的。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:04.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:20.400000+08:00","text":"本席去查了，它說會寫「Made in Taiwan」，這是現在的食管法規定的，進口之後它在臺灣加工就變成是Made in Taiwan，這才是真正的洗產地！","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:23.823000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，那個叫做實質轉型，這個部分我想我們也……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:24.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:24.463000+08:00","text":"實質轉型是不是洗產地？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:27.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:28.921000+08:00","text":"我想不能用這樣的角度去看這個問題，這個不是重點。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:28.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:30.321000+08:00","text":"這個才是你要重視的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:30.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:30.901000+08:00","text":"我們會重視整個臺灣的花生，對於你講的……","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:30.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:32.362000+08:00","text":"我今天不是要檢討你，我是希望你要看到問題在哪裡，是不是能夠標示？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:32.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:36.323000+08:00","text":"假設是美國來的你就不能寫「Made in Taiwan」，你就要寫「美國產」，甚至臺灣本地的花生你要寫「本地產」。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:36.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:57.913000+08:00","text":"當初3月我問你的時候，你告訴我轉作價格會提高，那個時候我就提醒你，既然美國花生的價格優勢是我們的3倍……現在花生轉作的金額是多少？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:57.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:14.354000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員說明……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:14.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:18.940000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，我們現在花生轉作的金額是一公頃3萬5,000。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:19.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:19.721000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:20.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:29.452000+08:00","text":"那個時候我就說，我們如果要跟美國有競爭的空間，轉作金至少要提高3倍吧！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:30.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:31.915000+08:00","text":"3萬5,000乘以3倍是多少？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:34.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:35.878000+08:00","text":"是10萬5,000，這樣才有辦法穩定軍心嘛！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:36.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:37.719000+08:00","text":"你要穩定所有花生農的心。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:38.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:47.025000+08:00","text":"昨天農業部出來說可能會有三成的農民受到影響，你叫這三成農民去種毛豆、去種……","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:47.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:06.500000+08:00","text":"對不起，委員，我必須要再澄清一次，昨天胡次長講的兩成到三成是純粹用價格的角度，而且在沒有政府支持之下可能會有這樣的影響，但是農業部絕對不會沒有作為，我們會啟動非常多的配套措施以支持我們國內的花生產業。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:06.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:08.182000+08:00","text":"你告訴我有什麼配套措施？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:09.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:18.850000+08:00","text":"第一個部分，我們整個配套……因為我們臺灣本身鮮莢的部分是以這個產品為主，所以我們會啟動所謂的鮮莢收購；另外我們會啟動區域型的烘乾中心，讓農民免於這樣的烘乾，還有相關的……","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:18.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:19.290000+08:00","text":"你這個問題就是治根……這根本沒有辦法解決問題嘛！","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:31.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:34.162000+08:00","text":"他已經賣不出去了你還在幫他烘乾！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:35.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:38.426000+08:00","text":"他的價格就已經沒有競爭力了，怎麼烘乾？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:38.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:42.489000+08:00","text":"烘乾了要賣誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:42.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:53.298000+08:00","text":"我覺得如果要這樣講的話，其實臺灣的農業沒有那麼脆弱，臺灣的農業是有韌性的，透過我們的引導，我們可以讓臺灣的花生維持一定的品牌，我們市占率是75%。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:53.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:02.587000+08:00","text":"我知道，但你知不知道市占率75%是多少農民努力出來的？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:03.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:03.588000+08:00","text":"才有75%，結果你現在等於是無限額、零關稅進口美國花生……","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:03.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:04.830000+08:00","text":"這是臺灣花生的一個特色，所以我們希望農友……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:04.830000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:05.830000+08:00","text":"也不標明是臺灣花生……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:05.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:05.050000+08:00","text":"我們絕對會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:05.050000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:19.566000+08:00","text":"美國加工品也要變成「Made in Taiwan」，那怎麼辦呢？","quality":0.192},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:19.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:32.474000+08:00","text":"我們會針對臺灣花生做一個特殊的臺灣花生品牌，我們也會去爭取所有國外進口的花生，一定要標明原產地，不能標臺灣。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:32.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:38.638000+08:00","text":"這是你在這裡承諾本席的，我真的期待你一定要做到，因為這個不落實，影響的是很多家庭。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:39.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:46.403000+08:00","text":"昨天農業部表示要輔導他們轉型種別的作物，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:46.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:50.525000+08:00","text":"所有老農種了一輩子，他種土豆、他種花生，他就只會種花生，你現在要叫他轉型……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:50.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:52.026000+08:00","text":"委員，不要動不動就說老農，所有農業不是只有老農在做，我們也會協助老農……","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:52.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:52.126000+08:00","text":"我知道！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:52.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:52.406000+08:00","text":"但是老農比較脆弱，你知道嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:52.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:10.118000+08:00","text":"我們也會來協助，我希望委員在地方跟農業部一起來合作，讓我們的產業能夠繼續往前走，這才是重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:10.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:12.579000+08:00","text":"好，是你自己說要合作的，那你要下來啊！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:13.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:15.462000+08:00","text":"你不下來，至少要派署長下來吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:15.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:22.887000+08:00","text":"我想我們很樂意跟地方一起努力去做這樣的事情，但是不要透過任何政治操作去做這樣的議題。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:22.887000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:23.887000+08:00","text":"謝謝張委員，時間超過了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:22.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:30.339000+08:00","text":"我跟你說，我真的不想要政治操作，我只想要他們能夠安全，可以把這個產業保護住，好不好？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:30.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:31.545000+08:00","text":"對，我們可以一起努力把這個產業做大。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張委員嘉郡","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:31.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:31.685000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:32.185000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:35.042143+08:00","text":"謝謝張委員，請部長回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:35.342143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:41.056429+08:00","text":"今天我好像發現時間比較寬鬆一點，但只限今天。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:41.356429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:44.499286+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請陳亭妃委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}