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謝謝部長"},{"start":617.506,"end":618.726,"text":"主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:01+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:35:02+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請財政部莊部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:02+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:35:03+08:00","text":"請財政部莊部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:03+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:35:04+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:04+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:35:05+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:02.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:35:22.060000+08:00","text":"我隨著剛剛的問題繼續問，臺股在4月23號的時候爆出最高的交易量1.8兆，單單整個第一季證交稅就收到1,237億，上半年可能就達到2,501億這一個年度目標，如果再好下去，搞不好就會double，超收的部分等於是2倍。","quality":0.77},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:23.341000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:35:32.548000+08:00","text":"現在在野黨一直想要法制化，要把超徵普發現金法制化、常態化逕付二讀，我想問一下部長，現在有沒有什麼因應的方式？","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:35.910000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:35:46.413000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們還是要強調說明，關於實際徵收數超過預算數，目前的預算法、公債法、財政紀律法都有相關的規定……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:46.413000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:35:48.694000+08:00","text":"可是它要入法。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:35:48.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:36:00.982000+08:00","text":"而且我覺得國家的財政韌性非常重要，如果我們稅務的實際執行數超過預算數的話，第一個，我們要減少舉債，還要……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:36:02.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:36:14.671000+08:00","text":"你剛剛講過的就不用再重複了，你可以講譬如很多中油的補貼、台電的補貼，這可以減少通膨或者是多補勞保、健保等弱勢族群的津貼，這應該比較優先吧！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:36:15.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:36:30.280000+08:00","text":"我覺得你講這些反倒比較會有說服力，因為超收之後大家會有一些期待，很正常，你一直說程序上一定要繳回國庫，那個可能沒有在跟社會上對話，我是建議你可能要調整一下。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:36:31.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:09.805000+08:00","text":"第二個，老舊的稅制真的要檢討，老舊的稅制中，上次我們已經廢掉娛樂稅，輿論反應非常的好，數十年來老舊的稅制中還有一個印花稅更需要廢掉，基本上邏輯都類似，不論是業界、行政院、立法院都主張廢除印花稅，行政院還在108年提出廢止案，但每次都是地方政府在反對，跟娛樂稅的邏輯都一樣，問題是地方政府現在已經多拿到四千多億了，那你要告訴我，現在已經電子化了，為什麼領統一發票獎金還要印花稅？","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:12.226000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:12.766000+08:00","text":"這說不過去嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:12.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:29.072000+08:00","text":"而且印花稅跟營業稅的性質又重疊，印花稅一年200億，最大宗的來源就是金融業，金融業已經有課徵金融營業稅了，部長，是不是也應該順著娛樂稅的邏輯把印花稅廢掉？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:30.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:31.111000+08:00","text":"道理相同嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:32.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:34.933000+08:00","text":"我想印花稅的稅額會比娛樂稅高出很多……","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:35.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:36.013000+08:00","text":"沒有高很多啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:36.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:40.415000+08:00","text":"稅額總共也不過是200億，所占的占比也是非常的低，邏輯相同，不義之稅就應該廢除。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:40.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:41.495000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們再要求地方政府來做討論。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:41.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:41.935000+08:00","text":"要求地方政府做討論！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:55.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:57.523000+08:00","text":"每次都推給地方政府，地方政府不會同意啦……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:57.523000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:37:59.024000+08:00","text":"因為它是地方稅……","quality":0},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:37:59.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:07.792000+08:00","text":"他們說的理由已經不存在了，你就不應該再附和他們，他們已經拿到四千多億了，時空已經不同了，條件也不同了，說法也應該要不同。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:08.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:08.353000+08:00","text":"部長，慎思啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:08.353000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:09.353000+08:00","text":"明辨啊！好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:09.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:38:55.874000+08:00","text":"接下來有關國有土地的部分，國產署一整年的收益不到1,000億，我不是說要提高租金或是其他，曾署長，你很認真清理，但是還是有兩成被占用或閒置，國產署第二期原本要清理17萬筆土地，回收2.6萬公頃的占用，事實上清理了19萬筆，收回了2.7萬公頃，但是被占用的土地只有從2萬公頃下降到1.5萬公頃，為什麼？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:38:55.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:12.292000+08:00","text":"也就是這六年當中新發現被占用的土地高達2.2萬公頃，曾署長，枉費你在收，一邊收回、一邊又發現新的占用案件，這樣子一直輪迴，你要收到什麼時候才會收完？","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:13.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:18.075000+08:00","text":"難道沒有辦法讓新占用的不要增加，舊占用的可以清除嗎？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:19.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:20.497000+08:00","text":"不能兩者並行嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:20.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:21.737000+08:00","text":"不然總數差別不大嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:24.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:35.139000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個本來一個就是把源頭減少，第二個是去化，這個跟委員剛剛講的都一樣。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:35.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:44.561000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，因為國產署的土地來源有很多，像抵稅地進來的時候一定變成是占用……","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:45.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:46.361000+08:00","text":"是這種原因，可是有那麼多嗎？","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:46.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:39:59.131000+08:00","text":"像抵稅地或無人繼承財產的，因為可能抵稅的人還沒有搬離原來的土地或是沒有清空，那對我來講就是占用，我就會新增。","quality":0.64},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:39:59.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:08.099000+08:00","text":"如果有這種類別，請你幫本席分類一下，如果抵稅地可以高達2.2萬公頃的話，那你發了！","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:11.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:21.794000+08:00","text":"如果不是的話，有一些新增的項目可能是可以避免的，你也要區分一下，你要用AI的方式或用無人機的方式，用一些方式去避免、去清查，有沒有可能？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:22.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:23.496000+08:00","text":"是，委員，所以我們現在……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:23.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:25.318000+08:00","text":"部長也是國產署出身的啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:26.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:40.329000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，現在比較大面積、國有土地比較集中的部分，我們都是用航拍的方式，航拍的話其實從空中一覽無遺，甚至有沒有增建建物都知道……","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:40.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:55.380000+08:00","text":"署長，我想在這邊討論這個意義不大，2.2萬公頃新被占用的這些分類跟比例，你會後給本席一份資料，然後要怎麼避免再增加，你也把solution講出來，這才有意義嘛！","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:56.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:40:56.801000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？可以。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:40:57.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:30.740000+08:00","text":"署長，還有一個也是跟您的業務有相關，部長應該也是內行，你們的台北之星閒置，每年要花的管理費高達千萬，一戶每個月的管理費大概都超過4萬，正義國宅的都更案你們分回18戶，結果都還沒有賣出去，每天都在繳管理費，18戶而已每年加起來就要交1,000萬，1,000萬就是一間小公寓了。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:32.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:34.202000+08:00","text":"署長，你有沒有什麼方法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:35.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:52.809000+08:00","text":"光是你們在臺北市蛋黃區的案件，統計起來不是18戶，總共有65件，在這樣子的情況底下，你賣不出去，你的負擔會越來越重，這是其一，其二是什麼？","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:52.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:41:58.472000+08:00","text":"其二的部分，除了豪宅類別之外，請你針對蛋白區的或其他縣市的做一個整理。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:41:59.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:42:01.387000+08:00","text":"本席為什麼要你做整理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:42:02.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:42:28.690000+08:00","text":"你整理出來之後可以仿照台灣金聯，台灣金聯以前只要100戶都賣出八十幾戶，今年景氣算是最不好的，我跟你講一個數字，它100戶沒多久就賣完61戶了，房子的價位都不同，但是可以賣得很好，為什麼？","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:42:28.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:42:35.495000+08:00","text":"第一，免仲介費；第二，它比市價稍微低一點，打了92折，這個有什麼不好？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:42:36.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:43:02.334000+08:00","text":"一來政府希望能夠讓房價軟著陸，這有帶動軟著陸的效應，這是第一；第二，目前央行也希望建商稍微讓利一下，這個變成有示範的效果，楊金龍就說，你只要稍微讓利，你的量就出來了，台灣金聯中心的這個成果就很清楚，不是嗎？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:43:02.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:43:20.349000+08:00","text":"所以署長有沒有可能考慮一下，你把臺北市的65件和其他的物件加總起來，仿照台灣金聯的模式，打個折、省個費用，然後不要再承擔那些管理費用，這不是一舉多得嗎？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:43:21.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:43:37.296000+08:00","text":"報告委員，國有財產打折不像民間買賣，如果賣不好，我就再打折，它有一定的程序，譬如說，我已經估價過三次，它可能還是沒有辦法如期標售，我們可能會用減價5%的方式。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:43:39.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:44:02.695000+08:00","text":"第二個，像這種都更分回來的，一戶大概都上億，現在這個市場也很難拍賣出去，所以我們也循著標租的方式，以前國產法規定房地標租一次只有5年、只有5年的時間，人家的裝修根本沒辦法攤提，所以我們也已經修法了，改為20年……","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:44:03.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:44:08.178000+08:00","text":"租的部分都可以修法了，售的部分也可以稍微調整一下。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:44:09.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:44:11.620000+08:00","text":"估價的部分我們會做適當的反應。對啊！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:44:11.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:44:12.681000+08:00","text":"你可以調整一下……","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:44:13.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:44:21.546000+08:00","text":"另外跟委員報告，其他縣市的部分，其實我們現在有用打包的方式租給包租代管業，再由包租代管業租出去……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:44:21.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:44:28.370000+08:00","text":"最關鍵的還是把它賣出去，能夠平抑房價，對政策上才比較有幫助……是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:44:28.370000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:44:29.551000+08:00","text":"或是把它當成社會住宅去處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:44:29.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:44:45.631000+08:00","text":"另外跟委員報告，現在都更分回來的部分我們已經交了兩百多戶給住都中心做婚育宅，也就是說大概40坪以下的房子，我們也是以社會住宅為主。","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:44:45.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:45:11.658000+08:00","text":"署長，你的腦袋很聰明，我認為最直接有效的方式就是採取台灣金聯的這種模式，我建議你弄一個國產署的類臺灣金融版的方式，把你手頭的餘屋做一個清理，同時也可以達到平抑房價的效果，本席對你的期待是這樣，麻煩你回去好好思考一下，可不可以？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:45:11.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:45:13.098000+08:00","text":"好，我們再來研究相關可行的……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:45:13.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:45:14.439000+08:00","text":"研究一下，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T09:45:14.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:45:14.599000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"郭委員國文","start":"2026-04-29T09:45:14.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:45:14.759000+08:00","text":"謝謝署長、謝謝部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:45:15.259000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:45:16.973286+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:45:17.273286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:45:20.416143+08:00","text":"下一位請林岱樺委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}