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Tynan這個包裝非常的重要而且是一致的這樣的一個標誌然後有不一樣的一個宣傳還有它的成品成分等等所以這個部分都一定要有"},{"start":558.119,"end":575.06,"text":"一個系統的所有的一個規劃所以我要拜託部長我非常有信心我這一次去東京食品展看完之後其實我跟我們的這個黃志芳黃董事長說未來我們希望打的是聽台難"},{"start":576.542,"end":602.544,"text":"因為我們台南的廠商真的太用心了農業也用心然後在整個推動的行銷方面也很用心所以我們政府應該給他們更多的力量未來市府會給他們力量我們更希望可以結合農業部我們一起來加油一起來拼出聽台南相信有聽台南就會有聽台灣因為這是連結在一起的是不是"},{"start":605.706,"end":633.496,"text":"所以我覺得說下一次連同我們下一次要去泡珍珠奶茶給大家喝我們要泡珍珠奶茶給大家喝我們要給大家看到我們的百年老店我們已經有構思有構想但我欠缺的是我們需要中央更大的幫忙可以嗎我想我們一定會支持這類的一個活動特別是把我們台灣的農產品王多元的外交市場特別在日本市場的婆婆我想我們會全力來支持"},{"start":634.036,"end":649.323,"text":"所以那一天在東京食品展的時候我們也一起簽署了MOU跟伊斯丹我們的社長簽了MOU所以我相信這個也是我們台南獄警我們的林漢偉社長他會長他一直在推動的"},{"start":652.324,"end":672.001,"text":"所以我覺得他把這樣子能夠share出來然後讓大家知道然後把這個通路一起拿出來我覺得我們就應該給他鼓勵給他加油甚至我們還跑了另外一個通路我們未來都已經有所謂的相關的資料我們會報給農業部拜託在這一次我們的暑假的時候"},{"start":677.546,"end":690.341,"text":"我們農業部給我們更多的支持更多的協助我相信未來台南一定是會成為我們的驕傲好不好好好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝陳廷祐"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}