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而是在立法院第十屆"},{"start":359.327,"end":384.84,"text":"108年的時候通過監察院國家人權委員會組織法時候有做成附帶決議他說應配套修正監察法明定受理申訴期限完成調查調查結果及訪視報告應與公開等規範於半年內將修正草案函送立法院審議所以我們在109年5月的時候才函送的監察法修正草案裡面專訂了人權專章這樣子"},{"start":387.461,"end":411.111,"text":"我想從附帶決議的角度來講當時的確就是希望你們盡快能夠有職權行使修監察法也許是一個最快的方式我現在問你的不是立法院的附帶決議而是從巴黎原則來講就是如何符合人權會的期待然後符合巴黎原則才不會有外界批評就是說好像功能不清楚"},{"start":411.871,"end":424.782,"text":"跌床駕屋這一類的批評呢我想監察院就是在台灣的法治的要求下一定全力符合巴黎人權公約可是目前的狀況他沒有辦法做到我們剛講的財務獨立法律獨立運作獨立政策獨立"},{"start":430.545,"end":447.174,"text":"這個可能是以獨立這件事情看它獨立的概念是什麼基本上我們在監察院在行使的過程委員的職權行使應該都是獨立在運作我們沒有人包括我們監察行政在內都不能干涉"},{"start":447.614,"end":474.331,"text":"那這一次的立法院的濫砍動山預算沒有影響到你們國家人權委員會的運作嗎當然有影響對啊是什麼樣的影響就是說整個的預算讓我們沒辦法實際的進行剛才報告的很多的工作其中有包括公約的審查國家審查報告國家報告等等這些都受到很多的影響當然我這邊也是不是也"},{"start":475.292,"end":484.487,"text":"請我們的執密來簡單的就細節再說明一下委員如果可以的話主席我還剩多少時間"},{"start":487.313,"end":512.132,"text":"還有兩分鐘 好 那您簡要說明是 就是從去年預算被刪開始那我們就是等於是很多重要的業務就沒辦法做像怎麼樣的重要業務無法做對 比方說像我們有一個是屬於身心障礙者的搭乘大眾運輸工具這一個調查案身心障礙者的權益的相關的報告跟大眾運輸的就無法做了是 是 是還有其他的國內的"},{"start":514.133,"end":534.219,"text":"若是團體的權益被影響那大部分就是比方說還有一個是像去年本來要進行有關是氣候變遷對原住民的影響氣候變遷對原住民的影響這的確影響很大山林的面貌會不一樣原住民有不少是依賴山林維生或者是在這些地方"},{"start":535.019,"end":560.072,"text":"對 那另外就是我們有一個兒童權利監測機制這一個專案那這個專案我們就是就幕僚這邊我們已經就我們可以做的我們就是發佈兒童權利的監測指標集那可是後續應該是要找兒少代表一起來做互動了解以及再就兒少的陳情的權益跟相關的機制要做一個相關的系統的研究案那這部分也是都先暫緩"},{"start":561.072,"end":578.243,"text":"好 謝謝喔至少我們看到因為財務並沒有獨立性喔那就會在這個所謂的政治鬥爭中可能目標原本是監察院然後就影響到國家人權委員會的對弱勢人權您剛所講的身障者的權益原住民的權益還有兒童的權益現在惡虐事件這麼的多真的非常的需要獨立的這個監督喔那所以我想最後剩下30秒喔"},{"start":590.55,"end":617.996,"text":"所以請國家人權委員會您針對如何訂定獨立的職權行使法怎麼樣能夠讓它更法制化政策財務運作參考國際的標準給本席一個報告好嗎因為我們辦公室看到即使如您所講監察院的修法的內容也並沒有涵蓋巴黎原則要求的部分是不是可以給本席一個報告"},{"start":618.636,"end":633.234,"text":"可以先暫時跳脫已經第九屆我們現在是十一屆的附帶決議那清楚的告訴我們怎麼樣更能夠符合巴黎原則國家人權委員會當時的依據好嗎是我把委員的建議帶回去我們內部會再做報告再跟您說明"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:52:12.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:52:12.973000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:52:13.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:52:13.554000+08:00","text":"有請黃秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T09:52:13.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:52:13.954000+08:00","text":"有請秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:52:13.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:52:14.134000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:52:14.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:52:14.574000+08:00","text":"秘書長您好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:52:14.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:52:17.577000+08:00","text":"今天我的主題是關於國家人權委員會如何可以更積極地去促進跟保障人權。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:52:33.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:52:49.033000+08:00","text":"監察院國家人權委員會組織法，我們看了一下其實會發現，裡面雖然有談到國家人權委員會的職權，可是卻沒有提到職權怎麼行使，也就是沒有「職權行使法」。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:52:50.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:53:19.091000+08:00","text":"剛剛我看到召委也在關心，國家人權委員會是不是疊床架屋的問題，我想我們應該回顧一下，當時我們的國家人權委員會是參考1993年巴黎原則，其實裡面有規定法律要獨立、運作獨立、政策獨立跟財務獨立。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:53:20.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:53:38.277000+08:00","text":"剛剛翁曉玲委員關心的議題，他可以看一下巴黎原則，其實當時第9屆立委在討論的時候，本來也有人主張放在總統府下面，可是總統府比較容易變成是行政權的一部分，所以希望獨立在行政權之外，是因為這樣子才放在監察院。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:53:38.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:54:00.070000+08:00","text":"不過當然，我想疊床架屋如果我們進一步來看，應該是思考現在監察院預算都被傷害的情況下，其實就做不到巴黎原則的財務獨立，所以我想回來問秘書長，人權委員會委員跟監察委員的職權有何不同？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:54:00.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:54:01.050000+08:00","text":"您可以簡單告訴我嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:54:02.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:54:26.583000+08:00","text":"人權委員會的職權是以人權為核心，跟您說明一下，監察委員是行使彈劾、糾舉、糾正等權，具強制性；人權會則專注於系統性的人權政策檢討與建議，透過建議、合作、倡議或與國會合作，共同推動人權業務之落實。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:54:26.583000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T09:54:29.149000+08:00","text":"簡單講是這樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:54:29.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:54:36.511000+08:00","text":"您現在講的是業務內容，可是就怎麼去行使的部分還是沒有作用法……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:54:36.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:54:49.576000+08:00","text":"他們各自有一個獨立的系統，人權委員會也會有一個委員會做出決議之後……這個跟監察院的決議沒有互相干涉。好。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:54:52.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:55:01.645000+08:00","text":"如同外界有一些誤解，譬如說，這一次我們看到監察院預算被刪，就發現他在財務上沒有獨立。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:55:02.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:55:14.976000+08:00","text":"另外，如何法律獨立、運作獨立、政策獨立，符合原本我們成立國家人權委員會這個聯合國的巴黎原則，我認為還是有改善的地方啦。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:55:15.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:55:28.245000+08:00","text":"不知道秘書長有沒有聽到公民團體一直主張應該要有一個獨立的職權行使法，能夠確保其相關各種運作的部分？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T09:55:28.746000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:55:30.047000+08:00","text":"是，社會的聲音我們有聽到。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:55:30.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:55:30.747000+08:00","text":"你們有聽到！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:55:32.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:55:45.157000+08:00","text":"剛剛我問您說，監察委員跟人權委員有什麼不同，除了您剛剛講的範圍內容，譬如說，人權委員是系統性的關心人權議題外，其實還有很多不一樣的地方。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:55:46.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:55:59.708000+08:00","text":"人權委員會是在事前主動介入，積極促進保障人權，所以任何違反人權疑慮的事件，他可以事前主動介入，這個是根據巴黎原則。是的。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:55:59.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:56:05.332000+08:00","text":"可是監察委員他不會主動介入行政過程，他是事後被動監督。是的。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:56:05.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:56:09.675000+08:00","text":"所以其實介入的時機本身就很不一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"2026-04-29T09:56:10.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T09:56:14.800000+08:00","text":"如果我們來看職權行使對象的話，你也會發現不同。","quality":1},{"speaker":"范委員雲","start":"20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