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對不對這是監委的對外說明 因為我們院裡也不能去介入他的案件非常好 非常好 非常好民主黨自己都說這屆監察院有10萬個陳情案件嘛 對不對預估啦 預估將近是10萬件到目前為止 啟動調查約尋當事人幾件"},{"start":454.152,"end":467.897,"text":"10萬件有幾件?你預估的10萬件啦約尋當事人沒關係啦,事後報告送給我啦我看你的報告裡面光成立調查案件也就200多件啦"},{"start":469.447,"end":490.425,"text":"那這前面再加說你今天有所謂的約談的 我講約談喔約談的案件有幾件派查案件有一千五百多件我說約談 以及約談當事人的案件幾件基本上幾乎約談的比例 在派查裡面的比例都非常高派查幾件嘛派查一千五百多件十萬件一千五百多件 比例也算非常高啦 肯定啦 好不好"},{"start":491.462,"end":517.816,"text":"那我要告訴你針對那九萬九千件沒有派查的當然包括預估啦講預估不準啦我先繞回來好了因為十萬件是你講的嘛如果你包含預估位啦到現在為止到底幾件嘛因為很多的澄清案件的內容我先確認一下到現在為止幾件嘛不要跟我講預估那預估加起來十萬件嘛現在幾件監委現在任期幾年啦"},{"start":519.255,"end":531.596,"text":"這屆幾年了五年半快結束了啊五年半多了所以十萬件也差不多啦不是嗎你預估六年十萬件現在也都已經快認滿了嘛算你九萬件好不好可以吧"},{"start":532.796,"end":556.775,"text":"有吧 八萬件嘛 直接告訴我了嘛沒關係 算數學 一千多件 八萬扣一千多件 七萬九千件但是有很多陳情案真的也是沒有辦法進入到派查的程序沒關係 我知道啦 我只是告訴你啦 我只是告訴你 現在我就告訴你啦我要為這七萬九千個所謂的陳情的民眾來跟我們的監委大人申冤啦"},{"start":557.919,"end":582.46,"text":"為什麼幫小智查學倫不幫這7萬9千的民眾查冤屈我告訴你為什麼我要說啊林智堅新竹棒球的案子查了幾年啊新竹棒球場的案子查了幾年啊四年啦四年啦"},{"start":584.853,"end":613.127,"text":"查到什麼程度?進度到哪裡?目前暫停調查因為在等檢方的最後的確定我們才能夠繼續進行才會確實我跟你講我也在中央政府當過差啦我告訴你檢方的刑事偵查跟監察院的所謂的監察彈劾是不衝突的"},{"start":614.557,"end":636.616,"text":"所以這個也不足以構成你們的所謂延宕的理由但是沒有關係因為這個案子涉入了許多檢方調查的內容我們這邊沒有檢查權所以變成沒有辦法深入了解你總要有個理由講啦我就接到你的理由嘛就檢方在查所以四年不動嘛動不了啦 不要講不動啦不動可能你也不贊成啦謝謝"},{"start":638.377,"end":663.792,"text":"論文案發生也在四年前台大撤銷學位的審定報告書早就寫好已經到教育部了林志堅當事人他一度向教育部提出訴願隔年撤回訴願當事人都認了此案早已結案我要講的是這七萬九千件的冤屈你覺得太小不好好查或是覺得很難查不查或是覺得不重要不查沒關係你監察委員的判斷"},{"start":665.54,"end":692.408,"text":"可是你們那麼大張旗鼓那麼認真努力讓我就覺得監察委員好像好像蠻閒的啊林志堅的這個學輪案可以再翻過來重查已經定案的事情外界怎麼看就我們小智很棒啊小智很有關係啊比那7萬9千的民眾要後台硬啊"},{"start":695.299,"end":715.635,"text":"四年前的案子 新竹棒球場的案子 悄然無聲現在到四年後開始重啟學倫案我最後還是講一句話啦 秘書長我今天必須本於職權職權這個事 但是我沒有怪你為什麼 因為我知道你秘書長也管不了監委啊我講的沒錯嘛 對不對 沒錯吧"},{"start":718.553,"end":732.883,"text":"所以我也沒有怪你可是但是我要告訴用這個立法院我們今天立法委員職呈來告訴大家監察院到現在那麼多人對他有意見不是沒有原因的謝謝我們秘書長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:02:59.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:02.837000+08:00","text":"主席，有請黃秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:02.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:07.300000+08:00","text":"有請黃秘書長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:07.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:08.561000+08:00","text":"委員您好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:08.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:09.141000+08:00","text":"秘書長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:10.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:12.143000+08:00","text":"我想念一段話，你能不能告訴大家是誰講的？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:13.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:38.692000+08:00","text":"制度上的錯誤就是提名制度的錯誤，大家想想看，監委未來可能要調查總統、行政院長及其他有權力者的業務，結果他卻是由總統提名，而且總統可能身兼黨主席，最後下令以黨紀要求通過，這樣的話，被提名人和後來的當選人如何不受政治力的影響？","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:38.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:39.412000+08:00","text":"這段話是誰講的？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:41.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:41.768000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:42.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:03:45.290000+08:00","text":"我一下子沒有辦法記得是誰講的，抱歉。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:03:46.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:01.639000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，2014年7月，秘書長你在參加立法院行使監察院院長、副院長、監察委員同意權公聽會上說的話，公報上都有寫。是。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:01.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:05.101000+08:00","text":"所以對自己講過的話還是記性要好一點點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:05.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:05.261000+08:00","text":"謝謝指教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:05.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:07.022000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下秘書長，這段話你還認同嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:09.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:12.915000+08:00","text":"我現在在這個位置上面……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:12.915000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:13.915000+08:00","text":"我再複述一次……","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:13.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:19.737000+08:00","text":"我對於學者時代講的話，我沒有辦法在這邊給你做回應。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:19.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:22.697000+08:00","text":"沒關係，秘書長，也不為難你啦！謝謝。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:22.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:34.500000+08:00","text":"很明顯你也不能夠面對你的過去嘛，你過去說總統兼黨主席，下令黨紀通過，這樣的話，被提名人跟後來的當選人如何不受政治力的影響？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:34.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:47.149000+08:00","text":"但是沒有關係，你還講了一句話我就很認同，你說風骨才是最重要的，沒有風骨，作文寫得再漂亮、提名人的代表性再好，在我們看來都是一場空。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:48.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:52.430000+08:00","text":"這句話我認同，我相信這句話你應該也沒改變，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:52.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:57.631000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指教，對於風骨這件事，我對我自己的要求也非常嚴格。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:57.631000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:04:58.631000+08:00","text":"非常好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:04:58.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:10.173000+08:00","text":"你還講了一句話，你說第4屆監察委員追殺前朝官員，針對當朝的中央政務官只彈劾了4次，其他四分之三的案子都是彈劾事務官。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:11.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:13.570000+08:00","text":"這是你說的，對吧？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:14.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:20.793000+08:00","text":"好，那我想問，本屆、民進黨執政的第6屆監察委員彈劾了幾位當朝的中央政務官？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:21.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:24.354000+08:00","text":"有的，我們這邊有一些資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:26.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:28.736000+08:00","text":"政務官哦，我不是講事務官哦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:30.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:30.977000+08:00","text":"我這邊……","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:31.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:32.697000+08:00","text":"念給我聽政務官有哪些人。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:32.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:34.998000+08:00","text":"一下子沒有政務官的比例。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:36.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:36.719000+08:00","text":"時間暫停一下好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:37.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:37.859000+08:00","text":"好的、好的，不好意思。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:37.859000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:38.859000+08:00","text":"讓他們找一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:38.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:38.239000+08:00","text":"時間先暫停。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:50.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:55.974000+08:00","text":"對不起，報告委員，我們沒有統計政務官的資料，只是統計中央跟地方的資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:57.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:08.657000+08:00","text":"我是用秘書長的標準講，你講的是只針對當朝政務官彈劾4次，其他都是彈劾事務官，所以這叫做追殺前朝官員。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:09.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:18.043000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我告訴你，至少我沒有看到任何喊得出名字的中央政務官被本屆監察委員彈劾，你可以把名字講出來啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:18.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:22.967000+08:00","text":"因為我來這邊的時間……您這邊有沒有相關的報告？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:26.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:27.111000+08:00","text":"謝曉星還有李伯道。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:28.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:31.155000+08:00","text":"他是什麼職務？次長？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:31.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:32.155000+08:00","text":"不，他是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:31.155000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:31.455000+08:00","text":"政務官？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:32.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:32.436000+08:00","text":"政務官。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:33.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:34.118000+08:00","text":"謝曉星是什麼職務？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:34.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:35.059000+08:00","text":"當時被彈劾的職務是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:38.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:38.643000+08:00","text":"原能會的主委。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:39.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:39.563000+08:00","text":"原能會主委。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:41.465000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:42.265000+08:00","text":"非常好、非常好、非常好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:42.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:45.588000+08:00","text":"李伯道是懲戒法院的院長，懲戒……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:45.588000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:50.552000+08:00","text":"那我來告訴你，你們批評的……另外一個是什麼？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:50.552000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:51.552000+08:00","text":"李伯道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:50.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:50.932000+08:00","text":"李伯道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:51.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:52.913000+08:00","text":"他是什麼職務被彈劾的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:52.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:53.913000+08:00","text":"懲戒法院的院長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:53.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:54.615000+08:00","text":"就是之前的法官性騷案。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:55.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:57.317000+08:00","text":"司法院的什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:57.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:59.859000+08:00","text":"司法院懲戒法院的院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:59.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:01.660000+08:00","text":"司法院懲戒法院的院長，那時候就是性騷他的法官助理。","quality":0.522},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:01.660000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:02.660000+08:00","text":"非常好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:02.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:20.439000+08:00","text":"我直接說啦，我再幫你講清楚一點，民進黨執政後，只有一位叫得出名字的中央政務官被彈劾，你剛剛講的那兩位，坦白講，一般社會大眾也不太認識這兩個人，只有一個，我幫你講，你知道是誰嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:21.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:24.481000+08:00","text":"秘書長你知道是誰嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:24.481000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:25.481000+08:00","text":"我們有一位……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:24.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:38.213000+08:00","text":"只有一個就是管中閔，叫做前朝的政務委員，因為他寫了一篇社論，結果被民進黨執政的監察院來查核。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:39.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:41.635000+08:00","text":"秘書長你也批評過一段話，是不是你講的？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:41.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:52.980000+08:00","text":"許多眾所矚目的重大案件根本無法彈劾，這是您在批評第4屆監委的時候說的話，有說過對不對？是。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:52.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:55.241000+08:00","text":"公報上也都有寫。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:55.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:57.723000+08:00","text":"我來告訴你，你講得太好了，你就是預言家。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:59.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:28.377000+08:00","text":"賴清德的大弟子、前行政院發言人陳宗彥涉及性招待關說違失，輿論沸騰，監察院以壓倒性的票數反對彈劾陳宗彥；陳菊愛將陳啟昱涉光電弊案，前行政院長蘇貞昌早就接獲選舉，監察院也是聞風不動；你的前任李俊俋秘書長用公務車送愛犬去美容，也一樣，監察院也沒彈劾，不聞不問啊！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:29.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:31.880000+08:00","text":"接下來我們只看到什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:31.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:02.034000+08:00","text":"我不客氣的講，我只看到像高涌誠施壓段宜康的曲棍球案的辦案檢察官，因為不成功，兩度彈劾他，高涌誠不但對提告林智堅的調查官余正煌，也以監察委員的身分發動了政治清算，介入卡管案，也很努力認真的查了三十五年前的舊案來鬥侯友宜，辦藍不辦綠。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:02.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:32.452000+08:00","text":"我要說，這個風骨我覺得我也算見識得到，但是我知道秘書長你剛上任，這些講你也不公道，可是我要講的就是現在的事，監察院現在突然要查四年前新竹市長林智堅碩士論文案的臺大學倫審查機制與標準，約詢臺大前社科院院長蘇宏達，沒錯吧，我沒說錯吧！","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:33.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:40.256000+08:00","text":"這個派查時間是在113年的4月9號，不是現在、不是今天，就是兩年前就進入派查。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:40.256000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:41.256000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:40.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:49.761000+08:00","text":"那沒關係，就不是你現任，我說過帳不能算在你……不是你當秘書長的時候，這也是在本屆監委發生的事，沒錯吧！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:50.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:50.822000+08:00","text":"是在本屆監委。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:50.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:56.124000+08:00","text":"好，監察院怎麼回答大家？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:56.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:00.186000+08:00","text":"你說這是民眾陳情，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:00.186000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:02.608000+08:00","text":"本於職權必須啟動調查，沒錯吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:02.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:04.529000+08:00","text":"監察院是這樣回答的嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:04.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:08.412000+08:00","text":"是，這是監委的對外說明，因為我們院裡也不能介入他們的意見。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:08.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:09.072000+08:00","text":"非常好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:09.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:10.233000+08:00","text":"非常好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:11.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:11.394000+08:00","text":"非常好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:12.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:17.538000+08:00","text":"秘書長自己都說這屆監察院有10萬個陳情案件，對不對？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:17.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:19.219000+08:00","text":"預估，預估將近是10萬件，現在已經八、九萬了。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:19.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:20.580000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，啟動調查約詢當事人幾件？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:26.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:26.592000+08:00","text":"預估的10萬件有幾件？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:29.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:33.755000+08:00","text":"約詢當事人……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:33.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:35.255000+08:00","text":"沒關係，事後報告送給我。好的。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:35.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:39.657000+08:00","text":"我看你的報告，光是成立調查案件也就兩百多件。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:39.657000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:41.947000+08:00","text":"沒有，成立的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:41.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:46.031000+08:00","text":"再加上前面有所謂的約談，我講約談喔！是。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:47.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:47.912000+08:00","text":"約談的案件有幾件？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:48.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:49.634000+08:00","text":"派查案件有一千五百多件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:49.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:51.595000+08:00","text":"我說約談，已經約談當事人的案件有幾件？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:51.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:55.699000+08:00","text":"基本上幾乎約談在派查裡面的比例都非常高。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:55.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:56.259000+08:00","text":"派查幾件？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:57.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:58.301000+08:00","text":"派查一千五百多件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:59.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:01.924000+08:00","text":"10萬件有一千五百多件，比例也算非常高，肯定啦！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:02.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:02.405000+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:03.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:08.945000+08:00","text":"那我要告訴你，針對那9萬9,000件沒有派查的，當然包括預估的，好啦！","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:10.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:19.030000+08:00","text":"講預估不準，我現在繞回來好了，因為10萬件是你講的，如果你是包含預估，到現在為止到底幾件？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:19.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:21.411000+08:00","text":"因為很多陳情案件的內容確實沒辦法處理。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:22.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:23.893000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我先確認到現在為止幾件？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:24.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:27.274000+08:00","text":"不要跟我講預估，預估加起來10萬件，現在有幾件？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:28.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:29.616000+08:00","text":"結果現在任期幾年了？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:31.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:31.435000+08:00","text":"這一屆幾年了？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:32.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:33.098000+08:00","text":"五年半多了。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:33.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:33.980000+08:00","text":"快結束啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:35.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:36.905000+08:00","text":"所以10萬件也差不多啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:37.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:38.568000+08:00","text":"不是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:38.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:43.116000+08:00","text":"你預估6年10萬件，現在也已經快要任滿了，所以算9萬件好不好？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:43.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:44.936000+08:00","text":"可以吧！有吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副秘書長增華","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:46.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:46.898000+08:00","text":"八萬多件。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:46.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:47.078000+08:00","text":"8萬件嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:47.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:48.319000+08:00","text":"你就直接告訴我了嘛！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:48.319000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:49.319000+08:00","text":"將近9萬了，目前大概將近……","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:48.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:53.583000+08:00","text":"沒關係，算數學，8萬扣一千多件是7萬9,000件……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:53.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:57.366000+08:00","text":"但是有很多陳情案真的是沒辦法進入派查的程序。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:57.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:15.604000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我知道，我只是告訴你，接下來我會告訴你，我要為這7萬9,000個陳情的民眾來跟我們監委大人申冤，為什麼幫小智查學倫，不幫這7萬9,000的民眾查冤屈？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:16.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:18.887000+08:00","text":"我告訴你為什麼！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:18.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:26.313000+08:00","text":"我要說，林智堅新竹棒球場的案子查了幾年？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:26.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:31.583000+08:00","text":"新竹棒球場的案子查幾年了？4年啦！","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:31.583000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:36.853000+08:00","text":"4年，沒錯，但是目前暫停調查。","quality":0.091},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:36.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:37.554000+08:00","text":"查到什麼程度？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:37.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:39.074000+08:00","text":"進入到哪裡？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:39.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:49.519000+08:00","text":"目前暫停調查，因為在等檢方最後確定，我們才能夠再繼續進行，才會確實。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:49.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:50.519000+08:00","text":"謝謝，非常好！","quality":0},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:49.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:11.521000+08:00","text":"秘書長，我跟你講，我也在中央政府當過差，我告訴你，檢方的刑事偵查跟監察院所謂的監察彈劾是不衝突的，所以這個也不足以構成你們延宕的理由，但是沒有關係……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:11.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:20.869000+08:00","text":"因為這個案子涉入許多檢方調查的內容，我們這邊沒有檢察權，所以變成沒有辦法深入了解內容。好啦！謝謝！","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:21.010000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:28.616000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我知道你總要有個理由講，我就接到你的理由了，就是檢方在查，所以4年不動，是動不了，不要講不動，不動可能你也不贊成。謝謝。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:30.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:45.887000+08:00","text":"論文案發生也在4年前，臺大撤銷學位的審定報告書早就寫好，已經報教育部了，林智堅當事人一度向教育部提出訴願，隔年撤回訴願，當事人都認了，此案早已結案。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:47.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:55.792000+08:00","text":"我要講的是這7萬9,000件的冤屈，你覺得太小、不好好查，或是覺得很難查不查，或覺得不重要不查，沒關係，那是監察委員的判斷。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:57.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:05.462000+08:00","text":"可是你們那麼大張旗鼓、那麼認真努力，但我就覺得監察委員好像滿閒的。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:07.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:13.745000+08:00","text":"林智堅的學倫案可以再翻過來重查，已經定案的事情，外界怎麼看？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:15.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:16.726000+08:00","text":"就我們小智很棒啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:17.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:19.426000+08:00","text":"小智很有關係啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:20.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:24.388000+08:00","text":"比那7萬9,000個民眾的後臺硬啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:27.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:36.066000+08:00","text":"4年前新竹棒球場的案子悄然無聲，現在到4年後，開始重啟學倫案！","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:37.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:44.092000+08:00","text":"我最後還是講一句話，秘書長，我今天必須本於職權質詢這件事，但是我沒有怪你，為什麼？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:44.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:47.195000+08:00","text":"因為我知道秘書長你也管不了監委，我講得沒錯嘛？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:47.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:47.435000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:47.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:47.615000+08:00","text":"沒錯吧！謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"羅委員智強","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:50.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:04.883000+08:00","text":"所以我也沒有怪你，但是我要用我們立法委員的職權來告訴大家，監察院到現在那麼多人對它有意見不是沒有原因的，謝謝秘書長。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃秘書長適卓","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:05.383000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:07.097286+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指教。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:07.397286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:09.968714+08:00","text":"謝謝羅委員，請先回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:10.268714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:14.268714+08:00","text":"接下來有請莊瑞雄委員發言，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}