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很多人喜歡吃香蕉啦香蕉也是很好的一個農產品那我們也希望 特別日本人喜歡我們希望把這一塊持續強化那短期上呢 導致的因素這些價格下降我也希望農業部門能夠相關的措施來我想我們在策略聯盟要穩定價格的方式去處理"},{"start":161.863,"end":187.288,"text":"好 這個是不是也給我一個方案給我們好不好一個禮拜內給我們一個方案再來是潛贈義港的這個初餐也謝謝部裡面大力支持那因為5月11號要召開會議那其實這個招商要很成功啦因為要不然投入這麼多的資源那部長這個部分有做什麼樣的努力嗎我想特別在5月11號召開會議之前其實我們內部有討論非常久那個招商本身一定要讓"},{"start":188.792,"end":212.971,"text":"願意進來的業者我先問部長我潛在的廠商了有沒有現在還沒有那有沒有在一些措施上面能夠讓廠商有意願來所以我們在後面的招商的部分就是說你願意進來的話我怎麼樣去減輕你的負擔特別在初期的一個負擔然後初期的負擔如果說必要的金融支持或融資的部分我們也願意來協助"},{"start":213.872,"end":241.042,"text":"這個部長請你也要再持續的調整因為你若不調整其實目前的誘因可能還是不太夠的那當然長遠上面我們還是努力把交通甚至於有機會把捷運拉進來的時候那各項的措施是要讓他長遠他看得到他時間拉長的話他前面可能經營會辛苦一點但後面其實看得到效益好不好我們希望這一塊部裡面要有更好的一些方案來吸引另外要積極的邀商一定要積極的邀商好不好"},{"start":242.863,"end":261.191,"text":"好 謝謝再要請教一下最近很多的一些不是很確切的一些消息像包括提到今天甚至於媒體還講到了政府犧牲農民也棄守食安包括甚至於講到了滅農這些的犧牲農民棄保食安部長有這樣的狀況嗎"},{"start":262.635,"end":276.847,"text":"我想我們看到報紙那我特別今天早上有做了一些回應我覺得農業是一個非常專業特別在產業的升級輔導那農業的議題絕對不是政治操作的一個議題那用這種滅農這種就是唱衰台灣的農業"},{"start":278.388,"end":300.147,"text":"我覺得是不應該啦相對的就是說其實我們在做任何的產業升級的部分特別是以花生為例的話我們有完整的一個配套措施會來協助產業升級然後這樣的一個產業中央跟地方一定要合作部長這個恐怕不只不應該這個也要予以譴責如果沒有這樣的事實沒有滅農沒有所謂的犧牲農民沒有棄守食安的話在農業部要嚴正立場態度要出來了"},{"start":305.431,"end":330.142,"text":"這個才能夠穩定住我們的農民穩定住我們國人的一個我希望這樣的事情農業部的態度要堅決而強硬的態度出來讓大家知道農業部在這一塊做了很多的一些努力對我想我們會秉持這樣的立場因為整個產業的一個推動不是中央而已地方政府一起合作的那我先問一下有這樣的狀況嗎有所謂的滅農有所謂的犧牲農民有所謂的我想絕對不會有因為"},{"start":331.294,"end":346.759,"text":"我們對那如果不會有的話部長這這樣有什麼樣的作為我想第一個部分齁當然美國的花生現在目前進口非常少那如果說以中長期來看的時候我們應該更積極的讓我們的花生建立美國的花生量很少"},{"start":347.159,"end":374.033,"text":"它如果有也是跟印度跟阿哥廷跟巴西做競爭但是台灣的我們的花生是具有相當的競爭力台灣也喜歡台灣自己的花生所以為什麼台灣的花生市政率能夠達到75%就是我們台灣它有特殊的香氣跟它的一個品質這個要請部長要強力的捍衛跟強力的說明好不好不要讓混淆視聽甚至搞到後來甚至反而導致了很多一些對農民或者對於國人的一些困擾"},{"start":375.153,"end":401.524,"text":"對我想我們會更積極的去做相關的澄清跟說明那我再問一下還不只這個包括很多人講到什麼出現了這個剩餘的營建的土石方回田農地這是事實嗎這絕對不可能的事情那如果不是事實的話就應該強力澄清一塊同時應該必要的該有的法律動作應該做對這個我想我們已經多次的澄清我們農地部長澄清有時候是沒有用的必須該有法律動作就要法律動作如果這樣的事實"},{"start":403.546,"end":431.703,"text":"請相關的沒有去做一個回應跟呈現說那該有法律因為你要讓所有人知道說這件事情並不是事實的時候那才能夠守護住農業守護住所有的這些權益不然大家會以為是不是發生這種事情竟然有營建的剩餘土石翻回田這沒有這樣的事嘛那沒有這樣的事就應該要更正那如果每次都做這種不是正確的一些訊息的時候那該有的法律行為就要法律處理好 了解我想我們會跟法治來討論這樣才能夠保持 才能夠讓"},{"start":432.583,"end":446.457,"text":"我再講一下 包括現在有一個新的也是什麼高雄爆發了 什麼高雄疑似馬鈴薯的一個中毒事件就證實是用AI製作的假訊息 左邊這個都是假的 都是AI做的就現在在25號出來 29號馬上抓到了 2萬交保"},{"start":452.023,"end":478.954,"text":"像這樣的問題未來會越來越多 而農業部必須要有強硬的態度跟動作該提告就提告 該作為就作為 這樣子才能夠遏止這樣的惡劣的行為的發生作為一個假圖 誰做出來的 如果是你做的你不要說你不知情如果你看到假圖亂傳 那你必須附上法律的行為這樣子大家才知道 不要利用各種方式想要去干擾台灣的這個內部不管是農業的安全 或者是國人的食安的安全"},{"start":479.844,"end":508.013,"text":"了解我想謝謝委員的提醒我們會以更強硬的手段對於這種非法的不實的這些傳聞會做必要的處理不知道我要提醒今年是選舉年這種事情只會多不會少啦我希望農業部要展現出你們該有的積極作為該立即澄清同時該有法律行動就要法律行動這樣才能遏止少數人只要百分之一百分之零點一的人做惡劣行為而政府沒有去遏止的話就會造成了百分之九十甚至九十五以上的人影響這絕對是一個重大的一個國安的危機好不好"},{"start":508.553,"end":525.813,"text":"最後我請教一下台灣的農產品國際化這很重要的那我們現在都要銷往國外我想問一下我們未來有沒有其他的計畫把我們的農產品銷往我們這幾年很成功的包括到紐澳到日本到新非都很成功我們接下來這今年跟明年他們會強化行銷的計畫要做"},{"start":527.295,"end":556.715,"text":"我想日本我們持續的會去處理特別是在芒果是一個重點日本會是我們主要的一個推動目標然後美國現在的鳳梨它已經有預告了所以五月的時候它大概就會正式的開放日本芒果 美國的鳳梨對 那鳳梨本身其實我們已經期待非常久了而且相關的冷鏈的技術我想我們已經成熟了所以後續的不管是歐洲的歐盟部分的那個番石流的部分其實都是我們主要的一個對象"},{"start":557.556,"end":565.433,"text":"那重要的是通路的建立這是我想我們今年努力的一個目標我希望加速了 走向國際化才是最好的一個方法好 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}