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很少但是這個是不是由政府的公務預算來支出或是從業者裡面去來收這個可以再討論所以會成立這個化學物質管理基金"},{"start":468.549,"end":479.74,"text":"對我們目前原來這個在化學物質管理署在成立的時候在法規裡面就有訂這一項但是一直都沒有主要是這個基金未來是要怎麼用就是來幫這些產業減少這個化學的嚴重的化災的災害"},{"start":483.183,"end":509.932,"text":"是為了提升這個化學事故的這個監控嗎是是然後服務品質例如說像像我舉例有一些化工廠他我們其實可以多一點研究或是有一些設施來幫他們解決一些意外的一個一個的狀況所以我們現在目前過去的確有這樣設想但是我也跟我同仁討論說因為企業要收繳的費用實在太多種了他們會混淆所以是不是說呃這個部分由公務預算或是由稅因為每個國家狀況不一樣所以我們還在研議當中"},{"start":510.652,"end":527.624,"text":"因為之前發生過幾次重大的工廠爆炸就像民洋大火金門工業經事後調查多數是下游使用端的儲存端的管理不當那輸入跟製造商他本身的管理其實已經非常嚴謹了那多數都沒有專職的應變團隊跟監控系統"},{"start":534.409,"end":557.68,"text":"那如果目前研擬的草案只是對於源頭徵收我覺得這是不對的那我們真正希望的品質管理就這個降低風險的對象我想目標都錯誤了應該要往下游來去做管理因為這個各地的下游運作的儲存廠商他們反而沒有這筆徵收那他沒有這筆徵收的時候他就會"},{"start":559.321,"end":577.097,"text":"沒有那麼認真啦我這樣講啦那這部分我們是不是應該再評估一下在這個部分今天要探收費的時候國際形勢也不是很好我希望你們再評估一下好不好也包圍我們的確在前一兩個月內部有討論過這個事情那我的政策只是說先停一下"},{"start":577.877,"end":599.385,"text":"再跟行政院來做協商是不是先從公務預算來做處理因為我們也知道近期這個國際的這個這種化學原料相對的都受到一些衝擊所以我們希望說不要那麼的快然後有一些更好的方案提出來再說好啦所以我剛剛還是回到第一題就是我們剛剛講的那個空污法的部分我想部長你還是要這個多溝通啦多溝通把這個"},{"start":601.986,"end":615.122,"text":"影響降到最低當然我們希望這個空氣品質越來越好那我也不希望說因為一個政策然後一個法案的修改那影響到了很多的企業這整個產業鏈的問題好不好好謝謝委員謝謝謝謝邱正軍委員的質詢"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}