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很少但是這個是不是由政府的公務預算來支出或是從業者裡面去來收這個可以再討論所以會成立這個化學物質管理基金"},{"start":468.549,"end":479.74,"text":"對我們目前原來這個在化學物質管理署在成立的時候在法規裡面就有訂這一項但是一直都沒有主要是這個基金未來是要怎麼用就是來幫這些產業減少這個化學的嚴重的化災的災害"},{"start":483.183,"end":509.932,"text":"是為了提升這個化學事故的這個監控嗎是是然後服務品質例如說像像我舉例有一些化工廠他我們其實可以多一點研究或是有一些設施來幫他們解決一些意外的一個一個的狀況所以我們現在目前過去的確有這樣設想但是我也跟我同仁討論說因為企業要收繳的費用實在太多種了他們會混淆所以是不是說呃這個部分由公務預算或是由稅因為每個國家狀況不一樣所以我們還在研議當中"},{"start":510.652,"end":527.624,"text":"因為之前發生過幾次重大的工廠爆炸就像民洋大火金門工業經事後調查多數是下游使用端的儲存端的管理不當那輸入跟製造商他本身的管理其實已經非常嚴謹了那多數都沒有專職的應變團隊跟監控系統"},{"start":534.409,"end":557.68,"text":"那如果目前研擬的草案只是對於源頭徵收我覺得這是不對的那我們真正希望的品質管理就這個降低風險的對象我想目標都錯誤了應該要往下游來去做管理因為這個各地的下游運作的儲存廠商他們反而沒有這筆徵收那他沒有這筆徵收的時候他就會"},{"start":559.321,"end":577.097,"text":"沒有那麼認真啦我這樣講啦那這部分我們是不是應該再評估一下在這個部分今天要探收費的時候國際形勢也不是很好我希望你們再評估一下好不好也包圍我們的確在前一兩個月內部有討論過這個事情那我的政策只是說先停一下"},{"start":577.877,"end":599.385,"text":"再跟行政院來做協商是不是先從公務預算來做處理因為我們也知道近期這個國際的這個這種化學原料相對的都受到一些衝擊所以我們希望說不要那麼的快然後有一些更好的方案提出來再說好啦所以我剛剛還是回到第一題就是我們剛剛講的那個空污法的部分我想部長你還是要這個多溝通啦多溝通把這個"},{"start":601.986,"end":615.122,"text":"影響降到最低當然我們希望這個空氣品質越來越好那我也不希望說因為一個政策然後一個法案的修改那影響到了很多的企業這整個產業鏈的問題好不好好謝謝委員謝謝謝謝邱正軍委員的質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:05+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:14.238000+08:00","text":"請彭部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:14.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:19.100000+08:00","text":"有請彭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:19.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:19.421000+08:00","text":"邱委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:19.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:46:19.881000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:46:20.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:03.883000+08:00","text":"我相信大家不管是企業還是政府，對於減少空污都有相當程度的共識，修法是一個工具，目的當然是要減少污染，我現在看到一些這次空污法要修正的條文，展延是不是可以在時間內完成，就要看廠商是不是能準時申請，另外還有一個是有沒有符合規定，我想了解一下，現在有操作許可的8,000家中大型廠商，總共有大概1.1萬張的許可證，在現在法規的條件下，有多少比例有按照規定在期滿前三個月至六個月提出申請展延？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:05.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:07.845000+08:00","text":"我有數字，但是我記不得，是不是請我們司長來報告？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:07.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:08.005000+08:00","text":"大概百分之幾？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:18.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:29.174000+08:00","text":"基本上三到六個月前都會，但是如果展延審查逾期的話，過去這四年大概是236件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:30.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:33.916000+08:00","text":"我大概幫你算了一下，大概是95至98會提出。對。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:35.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:39.458000+08:00","text":"我再問一下，現在有多少案件是在到期前卻沒有辦法完成的？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:40.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:47:41.339000+08:00","text":"有非常多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:47:45.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:10.452000+08:00","text":"我講給你聽，大概有20%到30%，所以95%以上的廠商都是在時間內來申請，像中火就是因為煤量超過，被臺中市政府三度開罰以後廢證，之後環境部撤銷中火1,800萬的罰鍰，最後臺中又被臺北高等法院判勝訴。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:13.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:48:25.388000+08:00","text":"關於溫室氣體排放量的查檢不管是為了申請國內優惠利率還是外銷抵扣，歐盟現在都要經過第三方驗證，沒有錯吧？是。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:48:28.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:49:05.767000+08:00","text":"企業為了爭取優惠的費率，要先投入大筆的資金改善設備或換新的，好不容易節省下來的碳費又要因為申請優惠費率，要給付第三方查驗機構費用，這幾年下來，需要查驗的單位暴增，但可以檢查的增加不多，所以就發生碳排放大戶的查驗費用從105年的三百多萬，到2025年要一千多萬元，實際上這種規模的公司都會訓練自己的查驗人員，如果人員都有ISO 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14064-3（查證）的受訓合格證書，再加上他們自己驗的數據跟外部的數據誤差值只有0.5%，是不是可以讓他們自主申報？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:49:19.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:49:55.584000+08:00","text":"報告委員，盤查跟查驗證是兩套體系，如果一個公司自己懂的話，其實只要查驗證而已，那個費用沒那麼貴，事實上，前一、兩年我都有說得很清楚，第一個，金管會規定上市櫃公司要做查驗、盤查、查驗證，大概是1、2,000家，另外一個是我們碳費要收的，大概是500個公司左右，其他有一些是全球供應鏈需要做的，其他大多數的中小企業都不用做，所以我們目前是非常清楚的，過去的確有一頭熱，大家趕快去做，但是不知道為什麼……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:49:55.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:03.630000+08:00","text":"因為我覺得這個費用太高了，你讓企業自己來做，做了之後，他把這個錢省下來，再去投資減碳設備不是更好嗎？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:04.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:12.238000+08:00","text":"對，其實一個企業如果正常做的話，他不需要非常多，以我自己過去來做的話，大概一年花個2、30萬左右而已……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:12.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:50:39.902000+08:00","text":"就像我們在申報綜合所得稅，你想申請扶養扣除額，只需要提供證明文件給稅捐處，由稅捐處來審核，稅捐處不會強迫你一定要先花3萬元請會計師來簽證，這是一樣的道理，我們如果減少這個部分的話，就可以讓企業在申報的時候減少很多成本，效率也會更高，不是嗎？","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:50:40.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:13.444000+08:00","text":"我猜想委員提到有些大企業費用比較高的原因可能是供應鏈的需求，他需要做到範疇三，那個就比較複雜，需要比較多的人力跟查驗證的機會，但是事實上我們國內的規定現在並沒有到範疇三，我們現在只有我剛才說的上市櫃公司還有環境部列管的公司，或是他自己已經是國際的供應鏈才需要做，除了這三種之外，都不用做主動盤查，因為過去一頭熱，讓這個市場變得非常混亂，導致費用非常的高，我們有注意到這個現象。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:14.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:34.725000+08:00","text":"就像外銷抵稅是業者的商業考量，就是把選擇權還給業者，要外銷就自行委託第三方查驗，費用自付，來抵國內碳費或國外的碳稅，如果沒有的話，他國的碳費一樣繳，只是不用再給人過一手，請部長研究看看。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:34.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:36.108000+08:00","text":"是，我研究看看，謝謝！","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:37.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:44.610000+08:00","text":"金管會跟環境部你們要的格式不一樣？是。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:45.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:48.613000+08:00","text":"你們要的格式……檢查的東西是一樣的嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:48.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:51:58.501000+08:00","text":"有一點點不大一樣，因為他們要的是IFRS，就是國際會計準則S1跟S2，跟我們這個碳盤查不一樣，但是也跟委員報告……","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:51:58.501000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:00.202000+08:00","text":"但有點一樣，對不對？","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:00.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:04.966000+08:00","text":"因為是同樣的數據，為什麼不能整合出一站式的申報系統？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:06.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:08.548000+08:00","text":"因為目的需求不一樣，但是我們有討論過這個問題……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:08.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:09.569000+08:00","text":"兩個部會自己去抓嘛？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:10.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:11.530000+08:00","text":"申報上來，你們自己去撈啊！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:11.530000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:12.530000+08:00","text":"應該是這樣嘛。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:12.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:31.803000+08:00","text":"對，但是也跟委員報告，因為我們目前覺得過去金管會在制定的過程當中，有一些行政流程真的太多太重，我們其實也觀察到歐盟有在做修正，要更務實落地一點點，要把錢花在減碳上面，而不是在行政成本上面，所以我們現在已經有提出要求……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:31.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:40.086000+08:00","text":"部長，你看現在的產業市場，因為價格非常的亂，部長有沒有想法要制定一個收費的天花板？","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:40.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:42.046000+08:00","text":"我們可能沒辦法訂啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:42.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:57.150000+08:00","text":"但是我們希望讓企業知道更清楚的規範，省掉他們的行政成本，自然而然的，外界顧問公司價錢很波動的情況應該就會受到一些抑制的作用，所以我們期待是這樣走。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:52:57.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:52:59.912000+08:00","text":"我只是建議，你們自己再參考啦！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:00.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:06.075000+08:00","text":"另外，我們的行政規費由碳費來支應，這個部長覺得呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:07.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:17.520000+08:00","text":"因為全世界沒有一個……因為碳費是要減碳、要付這個碳費，所以行政費用碳費來抵減，這個恐怕有一點困難，我們會再跟業界研究一下。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:17.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:19.121000+08:00","text":"還沒有報就先扒一層皮啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:20.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:22.363000+08:00","text":"基本上他是必須要做的，因為他是要得到查驗證。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:23.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:29.764000+08:00","text":"我看到化學署現在研擬要徵收化學物質運作費，你們計畫什麼時候要開始收？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:30.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:31.645000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有，目前因為……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:31.645000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:32.645000+08:00","text":"是今年嗎？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:32.645000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:33.645000+08:00","text":"目前沒有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:32.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:33.685000+08:00","text":"徵收的對象呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:34.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:50.408000+08:00","text":"主要是大的污染化學排放源，但是目前我們其實還沒有一個什麼時候要徵收的計畫，因為這個錢不多，很少，但這個是不是由政府的公務預算來支出，或是從業者裡面去收，這個可以再討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:50.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:53:52.489000+08:00","text":"所以會成立化學物質管理基金？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:53.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:00.596000+08:00","text":"對，在化學物質管理署成立的時候，法規裡面就有訂這一項，但是一直都沒有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:00.736000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:02.738000+08:00","text":"主要是這個基金未來要怎麼用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:03.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:04.720000+08:00","text":"就是幫這些產業減少嚴重的化災災害。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:08.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:10.864000+08:00","text":"是為了提升化學事故的監控嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:10.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:34.912000+08:00","text":"是，還有服務品質，我舉一個例子，像有一些化工廠，我們其實可以多一點研究，或是有一些設施來幫他們解決一些意外的狀況，所以我們過去的確有這樣設想，但是我也有跟同仁討論，因為企業要繳的費用實在太多種了，他們會混淆，所以這個部分是不是由公務預算或是由稅……因為每個國家的狀況不一樣，所以我們還在研議當中。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:35.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:49.182000+08:00","text":"因為之前發生過幾次重大的工廠爆炸，就像明揚大火、敬鵬工業大火，經事後調查，多數是下游使用端或儲存端的管理不當。是。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:49.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:28.365000+08:00","text":"對嘛，輸入跟製造商本身的管理機制已經非常嚴謹了，但多數都沒有專職的應變團隊跟監控系統，目前研擬的草案只是對源頭徵收，我覺得這是不對的，我們真正希望提升管理品質、降低風險，但對象目標都錯誤了，應該要往下游來做管理，而各地的下游運作與儲存廠商反而沒有這筆徵收，沒有這筆徵收的時候，他就會沒有那麼認真，我是這樣想，這部分我們是不是應該再評估一下？","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:30.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:35.711000+08:00","text":"今年碳費要開始收，而國際形勢也不是很好，希望你們再評估一下，好不好？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:36.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:56.502000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們內部在前一、兩個月的確有討論過這個事情，我的政策指示先停一下，再跟行政院來做協商，是不是先從公務預算來做處理，因為我們也知道，近期國際的這種化學原料相對都受到一些衝擊，所以我們希望不要那麼的快，等有一些更好的方案提出來再說。好啦！","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:56.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:08.248000+08:00","text":"所以我還是回到剛剛的第一題，就是我們剛剛講到空污法的部分，部長還是要多溝通，把影響降降到最低。是。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:09.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:19.662000+08:00","text":"當然我們希望空氣品質越來越好，我也不希望因為一個政策、一個法案的修改影響到很多企業，甚至整個產業鏈的問題，好不好？謝謝！","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"彭部長啓明","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:19.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:19.802000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:19.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:20.122000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱鎮軍委員的質詢。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:20.622000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:23.764857+08:00","text":"接下來請蘇清泉委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}