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需要這樣子啊我們捍衛主權不是針對某一個國家任何一個國家信任主權之前我覺得我們看起來太過低調跟冷酷我覺得蔡政府時代"},{"start":199.358,"end":218.254,"text":"也是非常高調喔沒有錯所以我肯定我也支持因為當我們海委會到現場去操演我想現在就是主持這個操演我覺得對於我們所有第一線海巡的同仁相關的海巡特勤對他們來講都是士氣大振"},{"start":220.416,"end":237.841,"text":"好那另外呢剛才包含這個我們張志倫委員還有廖先祥委員都特別提到無人機的採購那剛才你沒有做一些說明我想請問一下海巡署因為這之前我也有請教署長因為我們無人機"},{"start":239.261,"end":257.58,"text":"買無人機這個硬體之外更重要的就是相關的訓練可是呢其實我們都有一個問題就是你們現在在預算裡面我們比較很難去區分你買這個機型是多少錢那你投入的訓練"},{"start":259.702,"end":274.864,"text":"又是多少錢其實張學仁委員他們辦公室非常認真的是透過你們的相關的採購的公告那我覺得其實我們基本上不分黨派大家會支持包含國防部也好"},{"start":275.345,"end":300.231,"text":"或者是海巡署也好採購無人機因為我們都知道現在未來這個不管是民生性的或者是征防性的救災性的或者是國防軍事的大家都會大量採用無人機但是無人機的採購應該要越透明越好我相信主委也能夠也會承認所以我還是想請這個"},{"start":303.072,"end":310.46,"text":"所以就沒有公開透明嘛現在在採購過程中喔委員還在採購所以你們的預算書要公開透明啊你不能說我採購多少不然我們就會出現採購20架第一代無人機採購20架是八千九百萬大概還不到一億"},{"start":320.39,"end":336.04,"text":"第二代採購這個六套然後就暴增到2.1億多暴增1.4倍我們就不大小因為第一代你也不會告訴我說裡面不包含教育訓練經費吧很希望能說明是不是給署長說可以啊可以啊這就是來問署長"},{"start":337.621,"end":351.276,"text":"我這邊要特別跟委員說明我們每一項的無人機採購之前我們都有一個公開徵求書上面就寫了密密麻麻我要哪個規格、訓練、達成你又誤解我講話我的意思說你公開採購當然要公開透明然後項目要清清楚楚我現在講的是你預算"},{"start":359.185,"end":373.779,"text":"那預算都是告訴我們我採購20架Total這些錢我無法去把它分清楚你到底採購上什麼樣的機型那麼它的功能是什麼那平均每一架要採購多少錢你們的預算多少你們的教育經費又是多少"},{"start":377.062,"end":395.787,"text":"好 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我不曉得是哪一位然後可能有一個MOU還是簽訂備忘錄 這個不是在印尼的這個不是在印尼的記者會 這個是事後我們在台灣的研討會上面所以我要說的是 我在這麼重要的一個國際性的合作"},{"start":665.57,"end":677.981,"text":"預算裡面只有一筆沒宣費所以為什麼主委答不出來說到底這個海費辦公室印尼我們所了解我們到底在哪裡剛才哼哈哼哈哼哼叭叭的講說快在我們印尼的駐外辦事處裡面"},{"start":683.385,"end":705.855,"text":"好所以我的意思說所以我對媒宣會還是最強力做監督那細節的部分我們處長他可以給委員比較細節上面的說明最好能夠讓我很具體的知道現在除了那一則新聞之後你們到底做了什麼事情好不好好我們會給委員一個報告謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}