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需要這樣子啊我們捍衛主權不是針對某一個國家任何一個國家信任主權之前我覺得我們看起來太過低調跟冷酷我覺得蔡政府時代"},{"start":199.358,"end":218.254,"text":"也是非常高調喔沒有錯所以我肯定我也支持因為當我們海委會到現場去操演我想現在就是主持這個操演我覺得對於我們所有第一線海巡的同仁相關的海巡特勤對他們來講都是士氣大振"},{"start":220.416,"end":237.841,"text":"好那另外呢剛才包含這個我們張志倫委員還有廖先祥委員都特別提到無人機的採購那剛才你沒有做一些說明我想請問一下海巡署因為這之前我也有請教署長因為我們無人機"},{"start":239.261,"end":257.58,"text":"買無人機這個硬體之外更重要的就是相關的訓練可是呢其實我們都有一個問題就是你們現在在預算裡面我們比較很難去區分你買這個機型是多少錢那你投入的訓練"},{"start":259.702,"end":274.864,"text":"又是多少錢其實張學仁委員他們辦公室非常認真的是透過你們的相關的採購的公告那我覺得其實我們基本上不分黨派大家會支持包含國防部也好"},{"start":275.345,"end":300.231,"text":"或者是海巡署也好採購無人機因為我們都知道現在未來這個不管是民生性的或者是征防性的救災性的或者是國防軍事的大家都會大量採用無人機但是無人機的採購應該要越透明越好我相信主委也能夠也會承認所以我還是想請這個"},{"start":303.072,"end":310.46,"text":"所以就沒有公開透明嘛現在在採購過程中喔委員還在採購所以你們的預算書要公開透明啊你不能說我採購多少不然我們就會出現採購20架第一代無人機採購20架是八千九百萬大概還不到一億"},{"start":320.39,"end":336.04,"text":"第二代採購這個六套然後就暴增到2.1億多暴增1.4倍我們就不大小因為第一代你也不會告訴我說裡面不包含教育訓練經費吧很希望能說明是不是給署長說可以啊可以啊這就是來問署長"},{"start":337.621,"end":351.276,"text":"我這邊要特別跟委員說明我們每一項的無人機採購之前我們都有一個公開徵求書上面就寫了密密麻麻我要哪個規格、訓練、達成你又誤解我講話我的意思說你公開採購當然要公開透明然後項目要清清楚楚我現在講的是你預算"},{"start":359.185,"end":373.779,"text":"那預算都是告訴我們我採購20架Total這些錢我無法去把它分清楚你到底採購上什麼樣的機型那麼它的功能是什麼那平均每一架要採購多少錢你們的預算多少你們的教育經費又是多少"},{"start":377.062,"end":395.787,"text":"好 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像國防部"},{"start":396.767,"end":425.686,"text":"國防部未來採購量更大他是上萬上萬好幾十萬的要採購可是呢國防部的這種專責的軍種無人機的訓練場目前我看到的是只有四個地方所以我希望說我們把資源能夠統籌利用比如說你也有一些事實上是軍規只是商用軍規商用那未來是不是也可以跟國防部相關大家"},{"start":426.647,"end":444.256,"text":"等於說資源共享因為未來無人機的訓練我認為它是會非常大的花費因為你要買這麼多無人機一定要有人能夠操作其實未來還不止是什麼海巡或者是或者是我們這個國防部"},{"start":444.776,"end":471.579,"text":"其實地方的消防局也好警察局也好其實未來都有大量的需要訓練大量的需要取得執照不然的話你怎麼會好好去使用無人機所以我希望在我們的預算的部分第一個預算公開透明第二個資源能夠盡量的大家資源共享才能夠節省經費可不可以"},{"start":472.729,"end":501.27,"text":"我還是要重申就是我們在公開徵求書上面就有寫我哪一項的徵收設備哪一項設備是要到哪個規格那當然每一個規格的價錢是不一樣的所以你就會發現每一架的無人機我要用到哪一個規格它當然價格都不一樣那第二個部分就是因為我們是最有力標所以我們現在還在做公開的這個招標過程當中所以我也不曉得我這樣標出去我們每一架到底多少錢"},{"start":502.211,"end":522.64,"text":"我現在沒有辦法跟委員報告因為現在都在做這個整個招標過程當中所以這個部分我並不曉得廠商來標這一價大概多少錢我們在編預算的時候總是要有一個概念跟委員報告它是總價但是標的價格因為時間有限還有一個我想請教再來請教主委好了"},{"start":523.444,"end":545.886,"text":"我們我在這次的預算裡面我針對沒宣費我還是會特別的把它挑出來請問一下我們海委會要成立所謂的印尼的海費辦公室因為當時說我們要有一個海費平台請問一下我們海費這個印尼海費辦公室成立在哪裡"},{"start":547.743,"end":569.032,"text":"我們是跟印尼的一個NGO哈比比他們一起我們的辦公室成立在哪裡那我們跟哈比比來合作的時候也跟外交部都一起共同來做這個成立在哪裡嘛在印尼在印尼哪裡啊印尼那麼大"},{"start":570.313,"end":574.139,"text":"印尼外交部講不出來不會講不出來他就在我們外交部的駐外的機關裡面是"},{"start":581.613,"end":609.575,"text":"在哪裡啊?在外交部的駐外機關裡面,在印尼的在哪一個城市啊?辦公室總在一個城市裡面在哪裡啊?我非常奇怪就是說這麼一個宏大的一個計畫我在所有的預算裡面只查到一個預算,其實不多啦就是沒宣費而且是就是一次一條新聞然後就是一個預算"},{"start":610.416,"end":635.936,"text":"那我要講的是其實這個有關海廢平台後來刊登啊刊登的不會是只有這一家媒體啊我們是海外的記者會的舉辦我們是海外的記者會的舉辦然後其實各媒體這裡面什麼民視啦中華日報啦聯合新聞網中央社通通都有發然後呢這個媒宣呢確實有這個"},{"start":637.697,"end":652.224,"text":"主委站在後面跟我們印尼 我不曉得是哪一位然後可能有一個MOU還是簽訂備忘錄 這個不是在印尼的這個不是在印尼的記者會 這個是事後我們在台灣的研討會上面所以我要說的是 我在這麼重要的一個國際性的合作"},{"start":665.57,"end":677.981,"text":"預算裡面只有一筆沒宣費所以為什麼主委答不出來說到底這個海費辦公室印尼我們所了解我們到底在哪裡剛才哼哈哼哈哼哼叭叭的講說快在我們印尼的駐外辦事處裡面"},{"start":683.385,"end":705.855,"text":"好所以我的意思說所以我對媒宣會還是最強力做監督那細節的部分我們處長他可以給委員比較細節上面的說明最好能夠讓我很具體的知道現在除了那一則新聞之後你們到底做了什麼事情好不好好我們會給委員一個報告謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:37.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:45.329000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我請海委會管主委，海巡署署長也一起好了，好不好？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:45.329000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:48.703000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:48.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:05:49.184000+08:00","text":"主委好、署長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:05:49.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:15.319000+08:00","text":"先請教，主委，上個星期登上太平島，這是我國的首長大概睽違七年再登上太平島主持演練，當然我個人是非常支持跟肯定海委會主委登上太平島，但是在事後，越南政府又依照往例對我們抗議，而且是非常正式的抗議，這當然又涉及到所謂太平島的主權爭議，而且越南政府其實講得非常不留情，說三道四。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:32.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:06:45.404000+08:00","text":"回顧七年前，當時海巡署署長叫李仲威，那時是蔡政府時代，也就是你的前一任，他登上太平島，越南一樣抗議。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:06:45.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:14.381000+08:00","text":"但是當時即便是在蔡政府時代，我們對越南政府採取了嚴正的駁斥，當時的李仲威甚至透過中央社公開主張我國──中華民國在太平島的主權，當時的內政部部長徐國勇，現在是民進黨秘書長，也公開表示我們的主權是不容質疑的。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:15.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:29.454000+08:00","text":"可是這次對於越南政府的抗議，到目前為止，我只看到主委在自己的臉書裡面登了照片，然後確實也強調了中華民國──我國對於太平島的主權，可是其他之外我看起來都是冷處理……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:37.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:38.142000+08:00","text":"不會，十幾台電視早上出去了……主委！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:38.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:38.643000+08:00","text":"我要講……我還沒講完，主委，因為用你的臉書……","quality":0.412},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:38.643000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:39.643000+08:00","text":"早上大概十幾台電視都出去了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:38.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:39.263000+08:00","text":"你的臉書前一陣子甚至評論沈伯洋委員的新髮型很好看……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:39.263000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:40.263000+08:00","text":"假日啦、假日。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:39.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:39.663000+08:00","text":"所以這是你的個人臉書嘛！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:39.663000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:07:40.663000+08:00","text":"假日才會談這個課題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:07:39.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:15.229000+08:00","text":"個人臉書跟官方的態度仍然是不一樣的，所以我覺得仍然應該透過海委會正式的管道，不管是用新聞稿的方式或者用正式的宣告，宣告我們對太平島的主權。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:15.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:20.994000+08:00","text":"因為你現在在立法院接受正式的質詢，你可不可以針對……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:21.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:22.515000+08:00","text":"這是我們中華民國的領土啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:22.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:23.916000+08:00","text":"捍衛主權，絕不退讓！","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:25.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:29.141000+08:00","text":"太平島一樣，中洲礁也一樣，我們很清楚……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:29.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:29.861000+08:00","text":"所以啊……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:29.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:40.489000+08:00","text":"而且今天十幾台電視出去了，跟委員報告，我也希望電視臺幫我播，我在十幾台電視前面有宣示了，我們捍衛主權，不會退讓！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:40.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:41.570000+08:00","text":"對，需要這樣子啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:42.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:45.493000+08:00","text":"我們捍衛主權不是針對某一個國家，任何一個國家侵犯主權，我們都不退讓的，委員。","quality":0.676},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:45.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:47.114000+08:00","text":"因為之前我覺得我們看起來太過低調跟冷處理。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:47.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:48.114000+08:00","text":"不會、不會、不會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:47.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:52.738000+08:00","text":"我覺得蔡政府時代也是一樣非常明確的。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:52.738000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:53.738000+08:00","text":"報告委員，登島就是非常高調喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:52.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:55.901000+08:00","text":"登島非常高調喔！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:56.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:08:56.722000+08:00","text":"沒有錯、沒有錯啊！","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:08:56.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:03.187000+08:00","text":"所以我說我肯定、我也支持，因為當海委會到現場去主持操演……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:03.187000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:06.170000+08:00","text":"對，是，而且電視的效果非常大。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:06.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:11.234000+08:00","text":"我覺得對於所有第一線海巡的同仁、相關的海巡特勤，對他們來講都是士氣大振！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:14.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:24.819000+08:00","text":"另外，剛才包含張智倫委員還有廖先翔委員都特別提到無人機的採購，你們有做一些說明。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:25.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:49.699000+08:00","text":"我想請問一下海巡署，這之前我也有請教署長，因為除了買無人機這個硬體之外，更重要的就是相關的訓練，可是我們都有一個問題，就是在你們現在的預算裡面，我們比較難去區分你買的機型是多少錢？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:49.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:09:54.264000+08:00","text":"而你投入的訓練又是多少錢？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:09:54.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:01.155000+08:00","text":"張智倫委員的辦公室非常認真，是透過你們相關的採購公告得知。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:02.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:11.546000+08:00","text":"我覺得其實我們基本上不分黨派，大家都會支持，包含國防部也好，或者是海巡署也好，來採購無人機。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:11.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:33.231000+08:00","text":"因為我們都知道，未來不管是民生性的、偵防性的、救災性的或者是國防軍事的，大家都會大量採用無人機，但是無人機的採購應該要越透明越好，我相信主委也會承認，所以我還是想請……","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:33.231000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:36.873000+08:00","text":"我們都是公開透明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:36.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:38.074000+08:00","text":"就沒有公開透明嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:38.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:10:41.077000+08:00","text":"有、有、有，現在在採購過程中，委員，還在採購，還沒決標。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:10:41.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:05.038000+08:00","text":"所以你們的預算書要公開透明，你不能只有說採購多少，不然就會出現採購第一代無人機20架是8,900萬，大概還不到1億，採購第二代6套，然後暴增到二點一億多，暴增1.4倍，第一代無人機你也不會告訴我說裡面不包含教育訓練經費吧？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:05.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:07.919000+08:00","text":"我們署長很希望能說明，是不是給署長說明？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:08.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:09.040000+08:00","text":"可以啊，這就是問署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:10.621000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:22.354000+08:00","text":"我這邊來跟委員說明，我們每一項無人機採購在之前都有一個公開徵求書，上面就寫了密密麻麻關於所要的規格、訓練……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:22.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:23.135000+08:00","text":"署長，你又誤解我的話。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:23.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:11:46.759000+08:00","text":"公開採購當然要公開透明，項目要清清楚楚，我現在講的是預算，你的預算就是告訴我們採購20架、total這些錢，但是我無法把它分清楚你到底採購什麼樣的機型、功能是什麼、平均每一架要採購多少錢、預算多少、你們的教育經費又是多少。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:11:51.542000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:28.700000+08:00","text":"我上一次請教你，我才知道我們的訓練場現在是16個，基本上我也支持，因為未來大家大量採購無人機，我們要有自己的訓練場，比如說像國防部未來採購量更大，它是上萬、上萬，好幾十萬的採購，可是國防部這種專責軍種的無人機訓練場，目前我看到只有4個地方，所以我希望資源能夠統籌利用。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:29.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:12:50.973000+08:00","text":"比如說，你也有一些事實上是軍規，只是商用，即軍規商用，未來是不是也可以跟國防部相關的，等於大家資源共享，因為我認為未來無人機的訓練會是非常大的花費，你要買這麼多無人機，一定要有人能夠操作。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:12:51.853000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:09.866000+08:00","text":"其實未來還不只是海巡或者國防部，地方的消防局也好，警察局也好，未來都有大量訓練的需求，大量需要取得執照，不然的話，怎麼好好地去使用無人機？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:09.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:24.558000+08:00","text":"所以我希望在預算的部分，第一個是預算公開透明，第二個是資源能夠儘量大家共享，才能夠節省經費，可不可以？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:25.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:38.679000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我還是要重申，我們在公開徵求書上就有寫哪一項的偵搜設備、哪一項設備要到哪個規格，當然，每一個規格的價錢是不一樣的……","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:38.679000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:39.679000+08:00","text":"當然，我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:39.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:13:43.803000+08:00","text":"所以你就會發現每一架無人機要用到哪一個規格，它當然價格都不一樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T10:13:43.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:05.115000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，因為我們是最有利標，我們現在還在公開招標過程當中，我也不曉得這樣標出去每一架到底多少錢，我現在沒有辦法跟委員報告，因為現在還在招標過程當中，所以這個部分我並不曉得廠商來標這一架大概多少錢，我沒辦法跟委員報告。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:05.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:09.057000+08:00","text":"你們在編預算的時候，總是要有一個概念啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:09.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:11.778000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，它是總價，但是標的價格是不一樣的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:11.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:15.620000+08:00","text":"因為時間有限，還有一個問題我想請教，再來請教主委好了。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:16.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:23.671000+08:00","text":"我在這次的預算裡面，針對媒宣費，我還是會特別把它挑出來。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:23.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:34.042000+08:00","text":"請問一下，你們海委會要成立所謂的印尼海廢辦公室，因為當時說我們要有一個海廢平臺。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:34.042000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:35.343000+08:00","text":"是，交流。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:35.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:38.886000+08:00","text":"請問一下印尼海廢辦公室成立在哪裡？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:40.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:46.085000+08:00","text":"我們是跟印尼的一個NGO哈比比一起簽MOU……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:46.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:49.027000+08:00","text":"我們的辦公室成立在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:49.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:56.209000+08:00","text":"我們跟哈比比合作的時候，也跟外交部一起共同來做國際合作。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:56.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:57.550000+08:00","text":"成立在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:57.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:59.171000+08:00","text":"這很簡單的事。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:14:59.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:14:59.411000+08:00","text":"在印尼。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:00.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:00.751000+08:00","text":"在印尼哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:01.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:02.012000+08:00","text":"印尼那麼大。","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:03.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:04.014000+08:00","text":"印尼，外交部，來，我們把那個……","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:04.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:04.274000+08:00","text":"講不出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:04.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:06.939000+08:00","text":"不會講不出來，它就在我們外交部的駐外機關裡面。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:14.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:15.053000+08:00","text":"在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:15.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:18.096000+08:00","text":"在外交部的駐外機關裡面，我們在印尼的駐外……","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:18.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:19.737000+08:00","text":"在哪一個城市？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:20.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:23.760000+08:00","text":"辦公室總是在一個城市裡面，在哪裡？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:23.760000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:25.101000+08:00","text":"雅加達。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:25.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:42.555000+08:00","text":"我覺得非常奇怪，這麼一個宏大的計畫，我在所有的預算裡面只查到一個預算，其實不多，就是媒宣費，而且是一次一條新聞，就是一個預算。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:44.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:51.903000+08:00","text":"我要講的是，其實有關海廢平臺後來刊登的不會是只有這一家媒體，我直接講就是自由時報……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:52.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:15:55.966000+08:00","text":"我們是海外的記者會舉辦……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:15:56.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:16:06.334000+08:00","text":"對，因為你們開記者會，然後這裡面各媒體，包括民視、中華日報，聯合新聞網、中央社通通都有發。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:16:07.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:16:20.101000+08:00","text":"媒宣部分，確實有主委站在後面，我也不曉得是跟印尼哪一位，然後有簽訂MOU、備忘錄。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:16:20.101000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:16:21.101000+08:00","text":"所以我要請……","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:16:20.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:16:23.683000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個不是在印尼的那個記者會，這個是事後我們在臺灣的研討會上面……","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:16:23.683000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:16:24.683000+08:00","text":"事後補的？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:16:24.683000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:16:25.683000+08:00","text":"這是我們事後在臺灣的研討會所做的展現。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:16:23.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:16:44.095000+08:00","text":"所以我要說的是，這麼重要的國際性合作，預算裡面只有一筆媒宣費，因此為什麼主委答不出來……不會……","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:16:44.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:16:49.940000+08:00","text":"到底印尼海廢辦公室在哪裡？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:16:49.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:17:03.488000+08:00","text":"剛才哼哈哼哈、坑坑巴巴地說是在我們印尼的駐外辦事處裡面，所以我對媒宣費還是會強力監督。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:17:04.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:17:10.351000+08:00","text":"委員，我所掌握的就是跟哈比比的合作，我們處長可以給委員比較細節上的說明，讓委員不要……","quality":0.474},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-04-29T10:17:10.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:17:17.194000+08:00","text":"最好能夠讓我具體知道，那一則新聞之後，你們到底做了什麼事情，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:17:18.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:17:18.835000+08:00","text":"好，我們會給委員一個報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:17:19.335000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:17:21.335000+08:00","text":"謝謝王鴻薇委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:17:21.635000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:17:24.777857+08:00","text":"接下來請吳琪銘委員，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}