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所以這樣子的問題如果能夠用各式各樣的方法去突破的話要拜託主委這邊再努力不要變成說中國的垃圾都是台灣在買單然後造成我們的居民然後沿岸的這個生態嚴重的影響海洋是大家的不管哪一國的人民都應該要共同保育海洋才對"},{"start":288.433,"end":306.711,"text":"我們這一次特別把國際的研討會拉到金門來舉辦來探討海廢治理的這個課題也是很希望很希望就是說海洋是跨域的海洋是沒有國界的對尤其是海漂垃圾是沒有國界的我在中洲礁做淨灘的時候"},{"start":307.992,"end":331.434,"text":"也是越南的垃圾飄過來的所以這是跨國的治理是非常有必要去透過這個平台大家共同來解決問題共同來守護我們沒有國界的海洋好的 謝謝主委的說明謝謝主委的努力對 希望中國能夠擺脫這個政治的操作沒錯 大家都應該共同負起責任好 謝謝主委那最後一點時間我們請海保署的陸署長"},{"start":332.908,"end":356.15,"text":"我要肯定一下因為其實我知道說現在我們有在進行一個推動這個珊瑚特遣聯盟這樣的計畫那我覺得非常好就是把北中南大概有二十幾家目前的潛水業者都有加入如果可以先回座對那這個特遣聯盟我覺得很好其實就是讓第一線他們長期有在潛水自己在海洋裡面都可以來協助說當這個觀察員嘛"},{"start":358.772,"end":374.502,"text":"那當然我會希望說還要更好那接下來有沒有機會讓這個家數可以再增加呢就我所知目前大概是20家那因為其實我們大概有40處的海域那接下來有沒有機會再增加這樣子的業者的人數"},{"start":375.202,"end":401.222,"text":"那讓更多人可以投入這個觀察的行列是 謝謝委員這個我們其實每一年都在增加那委員剛提到25家那我們今年到115已經29家所以我們每年持續地在因為每增加一家其實我們都要去做教育跟培訓所以讓他們知道怎麼去認珊瑚怎麼去做珊瑚的筆測跟珊瑚在委員這邊很關心那個海洋的污染所以包含下去的時候絕對是物理防曬不可以有其他的化學防曬的使用對 所以我們持續地推動相關的這個加速"},{"start":403.263,"end":422.465,"text":"好那另外一件事情就是說因為我也知道說現在像是小琉球啊每年大概有110萬的觀光客但是我們是鼓勵他們親海愛海這個都沒有問題可是目前看起來這個小琉球的珊瑚已經近乎是失能"},{"start":423.106,"end":438.67,"text":"的狀態了那甚至是近乎死亡那我會覺得說這有點兩難啦就是我們一方面希望說大家可以來小琉球認識海那台灣的各方的海域都是非常棒的體驗但是同時造成的珊瑚的生態危機這個應該要怎麼樣去進一步同時能夠兼顧呢這個是一個難題"},{"start":443.951,"end":467.699,"text":"是 謝謝委員其實小琉球這邊海委會也有持續在推動大平台跟小平台的會議那舊海保署這邊其實我們有針對小琉球特別去做各個地區比較細節的水質的調查去知道說那多少的遊客跟遊客的分佈跟遊客的狀況會對水質產生什麼樣子的影響因為珊瑚的在小琉球的問題其實最大問題是剛才委員提到的遊客數所以造成水質的問題"},{"start":468.499,"end":492.372,"text":"那我們也持續的在做復育就是帶他的水質只要好一些我們就是持續在復育所以小樂球今年我們有回種一千多顆的珊瑚那有部分的珊瑚其實恢復的狀況還不錯對啊所以這個也希望說同時也要讓遊客更有意識的知道說他對於生態的知識也要同時增加而不是說大家在遊玩的同時但是對海洋是一無所知的好這個再拜託署長謝謝謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:23:11.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:23:11.611000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們請管主委。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:23:11.611000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:23:16.118500+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:23:16.118500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:23:20.626000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:23:20.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:23:22.587000+08:00","text":"首先要跟您請教海漂垃圾的問題，大家都知道過去金馬長期淪為中國的垃圾場，這個問題其實困擾我們的離島非常久。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:23:22.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:23:50.284000+08:00","text":"2017年曾經有共同要維護海域清潔來進行一次合作，從此之後再也沒有了，光是金門每年大概500公噸的海漂垃圾，大概八成就來自於中國。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:23:50.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:14.764000+08:00","text":"甚至之前還發生過疑似海漂死豬可能有非洲豬瘟病毒，也可能是來自中國沿岸，常常這樣子漂過來、漂過來，包括馬祖也差不多是600公噸左右，加起來可能超過千公噸的垃圾都是來自中國。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:15.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:31.057000+08:00","text":"也有報導指出，每年金馬都很努力在淨灘，但是再怎麼淨灘，每年就算淨灘兩千次，一天超過十幾次淨灘，也沒有辦法把這樣的垃圾清運完畢。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:31.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:47.769000+08:00","text":"我注意到今年3月管主委有到「印太海洋廢棄物治理國際論壇」上面提及，希望可以成立「印太海廢平台」，我覺得這個倡議非常好，但是目前的進度如何呢？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:48.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:49.030000+08:00","text":"有沒有具體的規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:49.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:24:53.874000+08:00","text":"可不可以讓我們知道接下來這麼重大的問題會有所改善？","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:24:55.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:25:04.519000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員垂詢，剛剛也有委員垂詢到我們跟印尼的合作，那個就是在「印太海廢平台」當中的跨國合作。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:25:05.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:25:27.050000+08:00","text":"跨國的合作，我們目前能夠連結起來的有印尼、韓國、日本，其實在這個平台裡面，我第一年開始這個計畫的時候，第一時間非常想要連結的就是中國，因為我們離島從中國過來的海漂垃圾問題確實是非常非常嚴重。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:25:32.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:25:58.177000+08:00","text":"「印太海廢平台」大家可以交流的包括海廢的辨識、AI辨識，另外就是海廢溯源的時候對於容器、養殖使用的材質等等，都可以有政策治理方面的交流跟溝通，而海廢的處理也可以透過這個平台溝通。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:25:59.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:26:23.054000+08:00","text":"所以跟委員報告，我們知道兩岸之間政治的敏感，但是這個課題是要超越政治，所以我們非常低調，委託金門在地的學術機構，希望透過他們跟對岸的學術機構也好，NGO也好，由他們來對接之後，讓這個平台可以搭建起來，我們委託案都出去了。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:26:23.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:26:57.804000+08:00","text":"但基於第一次接觸的結果，本來我們和對岸也已經談到我這邊怎麼樣處理研討事項，對岸也來處理研討事項，但是討論到細節的時候，我想對岸可能還是處理到政治的問題，就是他要把它用兩岸融合促進的概念包裝，這時候這樣的連結就中斷了。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:26:58.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:27:28.126000+08:00","text":"我們覺得非常可惜，但還是沒有放棄，我們還是很希望透過離島的學術機關或者NGO，能夠讓兩岸之間對接起來或者兩岸的政府不要有政治框架的情況之下，其實如果沒有政治框架的話，任何問題兩岸都可以談，而現在就是政治卡住了這個問題的處理，我們也覺得非常遺憾。是啊！","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:27:28.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:27:36.030000+08:00","text":"所以我也希望……因為漂過來的都造成我們金馬沿岸居民非常嚴重的困擾。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:27:36.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:27:36.970000+08:00","text":"是，對海洋也是很傷害。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:27:37.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:27:44.118000+08:00","text":"是的，所以這樣子的問題如果能夠用各式各樣的方法突破的話，要拜託主委再努力。是。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:27:44.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:27:52.747000+08:00","text":"不要變成中國的垃圾都是臺灣在買單，造成我們的居民、沿岸生態受嚴重影響。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:27:52.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:27:57.913000+08:00","text":"海洋是大家的，不管哪一國的人民都應該要共同保育海洋才對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:27:58.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:12.307000+08:00","text":"我們這一次特別把國際研討會拉到金門舉辦來談，探討海廢治理的這個課題，也很希望、很希望的就是，海洋是跨域的、海洋是沒有國界的……是的。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:12.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:29.963000+08:00","text":"對，尤其海漂垃圾是沒有國界的，我在中洲礁淨灘的時候，也是越南的垃圾漂過來，所以這是跨國治理，非常有必要透過這個平台，大家共同解決問題、共同守護沒有國界的海洋。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:30.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:32.846000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝主委的說明，也謝謝主委的努力。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:33.647000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:35.969000+08:00","text":"希望中國能夠擺脫政治的操作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:36.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:38.211000+08:00","text":"沒錯，大家都應該共同負起責任。是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:38.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:39.332000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:39.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:41.434000+08:00","text":"最後一點時間，我們請海保署的陸署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:42.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:56.941000+08:00","text":"我要肯定一下，我知道現在我們在推動一個「珊瑚特潛聯盟」的計畫，我覺得非常好，目前北、中、南大概二十幾家潛水業者都有加入。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:57.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:28:58.282000+08:00","text":"主委可以先回座。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:28:59.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:29:06.130000+08:00","text":"這個特遣聯盟我覺得很好，讓第一線長期有在潛水的，自己在海洋裡面都可以協助當觀察員。是。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:29:09.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:29:15.376000+08:00","text":"當然我會希望好還要更好，接下來有沒有機會讓家數可以再增加呢？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:29:15.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:29:28.484000+08:00","text":"就我所知，目前大概是20家，我們大概有40處海域，接下來有沒有機會再增加業者的家數，讓更多人可以投入觀察的行列？","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"陸署長曉筠","start":"2026-04-29T10:29:29.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:29:39.593000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員，這個其實每一年都在增加，委員剛才提到25家，到今（115）年已經有29家，所以我們每年持續在……因為每增加一家，我們都要做教育跟培訓。是的。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"陸署長曉筠","start":"2026-04-29T10:29:40.153000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:29:49.921000+08:00","text":"讓他們知道怎麼認珊瑚、怎麼做珊瑚的比色，以及委員很關心海洋的污染，包含下去的時候絕對是物理防曬，不可以有其他化學防曬的使用。是的。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"陸署長曉筠","start":"2026-04-29T10:29:50.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:29:53.263000+08:00","text":"所以我們持續推動相關的家數。好。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:29:53.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:30:02.614000+08:00","text":"另外一件事情，我也知道現在小琉球每年大概有110萬觀光客。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:30:02.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:30:15.507000+08:00","text":"我們是鼓勵他們親海愛海，這個都沒有問題，可是目前看起來，小琉球的珊瑚已近乎是失能的狀態了，甚至是近乎死亡。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:30:15.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:30:28.130000+08:00","text":"我會覺得，這有點兩難，就是我們一方面希望大家可以來小琉球認識海，臺灣各方海域都是非常棒的體驗，但是同時造成了珊瑚的生態危機。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:30:28.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:30:28.610000+08:00","text":"應該要怎麼樣更進一步地能夠同時兼顧呢？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:30:28.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:30:28.670000+08:00","text":"這是一個難題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陸署長曉筠","start":"2026-04-29T10:30:33.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:31:09.225000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員，其實小琉球這邊，海委會也持續在推動大平台跟小平台的會議；就海保署，我們有針對小琉球特別去做各個地區比較細節的水質調查，以便知道多少遊客、遊客分布及遊客的狀況會對水質產生什麼樣的影響，因為珊瑚在小琉球最大的問題是剛才委員提到的遊客數，所以造成水質的問題，待它的水質較好一些，我們就持續在做復育，所以我們今年有在小琉球回種一千多棵珊瑚，也有部分珊瑚恢復的狀況還不錯。對啊！","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:31:09.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:31:20.691000+08:00","text":"也希望讓遊客更有意識地知道自己對於生態的知識也要同時增加，而不是大家在遊玩的時候對海洋是一無所知的。是！","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-04-29T10:31:21.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:31:22.372000+08:00","text":"這個再拜託署長。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陸署長曉筠","start":"2026-04-29T10:31:22.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:31:22.372000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:31:22.872000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:31:24.586286+08:00","text":"謝謝黃捷委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:31:24.886286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:31:28.600571+08:00","text":"接下來請王美惠委員質詢，謝謝。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}