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08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:39:26.545000+08:00","text":"主委，本席要告訴你的就是，財劃法我們修了很多次，在總統公布之後才實施，所以有的人也會搞錯方向耶！","quality":0.535},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:39:28.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:39:31.788000+08:00","text":"有時候減少的變成增加、增加的變成減少，所以到底哪個才對？","quality":0.36},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:39:32.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:39:36.111000+08:00","text":"本席要跟主委講的就是，不管財劃法怎麼修正，對地方政府來講，一定要有誘因。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:39:36.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:40:09.374000+08:00","text":"像本席來自嘉義市，嘉義市四周都沒有海，為了讓我們的子弟懂得如何保護海洋、注意海域活動安全，就要從小開始進行相關的教育。","quality":0.37},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:40:10.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:41:02.015000+08:00","text":"在這個過程當中，我們看到嘉義市有關海洋教育的座談會越來越少，尤其嘉義縣市不管是合辦或採取其他的辦理方式，都不是越辦越多，而是越辦越少，所以主委，本席要跟你說，嘉義市的國中小學生不是因為我們不靠海，就不需要相關的教育，而是更加需要這樣的教育，所以希望主委跟署長，未來我們要探討如何讓全中華民國臺灣的百姓，尤其小孩去了解海洋的重要。","quality":0.523},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:41:02.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:41:25.437000+08:00","text":"今年預計要在嘉義市辦26場，目前為止已經執行14場，如果有增加更大能量的時候，我們再請海保署來增加規劃，好不好？","quality":0.532},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:41:26.098000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:41:36.469000+08:00","text":"主委，在此本席要跟你說的是，在114年本席看到的只有4場而已，我覺得不應該只有這樣，主委也有聽到王美惠為地方爭取教育我們的小孩怎麼去保護海洋。","quality":0.548},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:41:36.469000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:41:37.469000+08:00","text":"是，要加強。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:41:36.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:41:39.711000+08:00","text":"所以未來，希望不是只有在嘉義市，而是可以讓全臺灣的小孩都了解，要怎麼保護我們的海洋，這才是最重要的。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:41:39.711000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:41:50.789000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，委員關心嘉義市為什麼對於海洋的補助那麼少……對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:41:50.789000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:42:01.867000+08:00","text":"一年半前委員在這裡就有給我叮嚀，所以我請各處要去跟嘉義市政府討論，請他們有什麼案件就趕快申請，因為主要都是要由地方提出申請，因此慢慢地我們希望可以改善，不能因為嘉義市沒有臨海……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:42:01.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:42:32.848000+08:00","text":"主委，我的質詢時間已經超過了，不過我覺得大家要討論，因為早上我也有聽到我們的同事說什麼地方沒有拿出來申請。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:42:32.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:42:34.229000+08:00","text":"我也希望有這份好意的時候，中央跟地方合作是否可以再做得更好？","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:42:34.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:42:35.350000+08:00","text":"是不是也可以跟地方說我們有這個計畫，你們是否要申請？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:42:35.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:42:47.266500+08:00","text":"大家互相……","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:42:47.266500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:42:59.183000+08:00","text":"有，我們都有跟他們說。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:42:59.183000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:43:00.844000+08:00","text":"有跟他們說？","quality":1},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:43:00.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:43:01.904000+08:00","text":"我們會再加強。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:43:02.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:43:02.825000+08:00","text":"這樣他們沒有申請就很不應該了。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:43:02.825000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:43:04.526000+08:00","text":"是，我們會加強。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-04-29T10:43:04.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:43:04.666000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T10:43:05.166000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:43:07.166000+08:00","text":"謝謝王美惠委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（王委員美惠代）","start":"2026-04-29T10:43:07.466000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:43:09.751714+08:00","text":"請李柏毅召委質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}