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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:53:59.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:03.307000+08:00","text":"本來是主動，按照預算法第五十四條的規定是行政機關要主動……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:03.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:03.547000+08:00","text":"委員，我們還是希望依預算法實施總預算的審查。","quality":0.35},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:03.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:04.448000+08:00","text":"好，當然我們今天已經審查預算了……","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:04.448000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:05.448000+08:00","text":"是，很感謝召委排案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:04.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:05.108000+08:00","text":"希望能夠趕快通過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:05.108000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:54:35.744000+08:00","text":"但是也要請管主委去拜託行政院院長，因為海巡署有很多軍人，他們也會受到軍人待遇條例的影響，他們也適用軍人待遇條例的規定。","quality":0.618},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:54:36.824000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:06.760000+08:00","text":"既然立法院通過了，就應該依法編列預算，這個部分我們應該共同推動才會更好，因為海巡署的同仁都很辛苦，包括海巡署也有警察出身的，他們也都會適用到警察人員人事條例的修正案，所以這個部分應該要共同去推動。","quality":0.813},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:06.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:40.276000+08:00","text":"接下來要談跟海洋基本法有關係的，野生動物保育法第二十一條之一規定臺灣原住民族基於傳統文化、祭儀，可以獵捕或利用野生動物，原住民族基本法第二十三條也規定，政府應尊重原住民族選擇生活方式、習俗。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:44.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:55:44.978000+08:00","text":"為什麼要談這個呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:55:50.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:20.107000+08:00","text":"從過去到現在，原住民因為生活的需要會不斷到都會區，現在都會區的原住民有設戶籍的達到52%，加上沒有設戶籍就學、就業的有70%在都會區，所以在相關的規定裡面都有，包括原基法第二十三條。","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:21.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:56:50.108000+08:00","text":"海洋基本法第十條特別規定政府應建立合宜機制，尊重、維護、保存傳統用海智慧等海洋文化資產，保障與傳承原住民族傳統用海文化及權益，所以這裡面並沒有提到原住民族地區，海洋基本法第十條並沒有規定，它是不限於原住民族地區。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:56:50.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:57:14.626000+08:00","text":"而事實上，過去臺灣的原住民族一直都是在流動的，從屏東的恆春、滿州、牡丹鄉都有，繞了臺灣一週跑到花蓮的新城鄉，在那邊居住也已經幾十年了。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:57:16.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:57:35.502000+08:00","text":"這個部分都會有流動，所以我們在用海的時候，你說他在恆春用海、跟海一起生活，到了任何一個地方一樣會跟海一起生活，所以海洋基本法第十條規定得很清楚。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra 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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:58:26.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:58:49.784000+08:00","text":"原住民族基本法第三十四條第一項規定三年內要修正，結果很多法規沒有修正，所以第二項有說可以解釋，過去曾經做過解釋，依原基法第三十四條及漁業法第四十四條就做了解釋。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:58:49.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:08.358000+08:00","text":"我今天舉這個案例，也就是請海洋委員會跟農業部要依海洋基本法第十六條第二項去解釋漁業法第四十四條……","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:08.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:10.381000+08:00","text":"有哪個具體的部分要去解決嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:13.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:14.144000+08:00","text":"當然有，我開過協調會……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:14.544000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:20.569000+08:00","text":"我們再跟委員請教好了，如果需要協調，我們就來協調，好不好？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:20.569000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:21.569000+08:00","text":"我們談的是法制，法制的部分是可以解釋的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:20.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:28.555000+08:00","text":"我們對原住民非常重視，我們對原住民支持的方案非常的多，也一併再跟委員報告。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:28.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:28.575000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席（李委員柏毅）","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:29.075000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:31.075000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭天財委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（李委員柏毅）","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:31.375000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:35.660714+08:00","text":"接下來請鍾佳濱委員進行詢答，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:35.960714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:37.103571+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:37.403571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:43.975000+08:00","text":"在場的委員先進、各位議場共同夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:44.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:50.846429+08:00","text":"有請我們海委會管主委，副主委也可以從旁協助啦，署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:51.146429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:52.289286+08:00","text":"鍾委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:52.589286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:53.589286+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:53.889286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:57.603571+08:00","text":"最近很關心我們海委會的事情……","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:57.903571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T10:59:59.617857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T10:59:59.917857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:00:12.489286+08:00","text":"你們也辦了一些頒獎來表揚，也親自到南疆去巡護，主委覺得目前在整個海巡的業務上，是不是都與日俱進？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:00:12.789286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:00:23.075000+08:00","text":"大家士氣高昂，各方面的工作跟過去相比之下，我們很多的業務都更精進，謝謝委員關心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:00:23.375000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:00:26.517857+08:00","text":"是，工欲善其事，必先利其器。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:00:26.817857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:00:37.675000+08:00","text":"今天這個題目，我之前在國防委員會也就教於國防部，因為海上的事務，兩者之間有相通之處。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:00:37.975000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:00:54.546429+08:00","text":"我先請教一下主委，我們的網路被侵擾1.7億次，影子艦隊破壞海纜，這個都是我們遇到的，漁船跟橡皮艇在這個灰色地帶的滲透要怎麼去應對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:00:54.846429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:01:02.846429+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在海纜的部分，第一個，我們事先就有建立一個示警名單……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:01:03.146429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:01:11.146429+08:00","text":"最近我們有看到來偷渡的橡皮艇，也有看到我們的官兵游過去對岸。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:01:11.446429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:01:22.875000+08:00","text":"小型船艇入侵難監測，因為體積小雷達不好監測；那麼漁船的話，它會關閉或偽造AIS對不對？是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:01:23.175000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:01:32.603571+08:00","text":"我們之前有請教過主委用SAR（合成孔徑雷達），那有沒有可能用影像來觀測呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:01:32.903571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:01:39.475000+08:00","text":"我們一定要去建立AI辨識的功能，我們目前有在開發。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:01:39.775000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:01:41.203571+08:00","text":"有在開發？好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:01:41.503571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:02:02.075000+08:00","text":"那我們來看一下AI怎麼用影像觀測，無人艇的好處跟無人機不同，無人機的滯空時間有限制，無人艇在海上的時間是比較長的，有發現目標就可以執行任務，但是什麼是目標？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:02:02.375000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:02:11.803571+08:00","text":"其實要影像來建立，日間、夜間又不同，尋標的部分要靠高階晶片，這是臺灣的強項。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:02:12.103571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:02:23.532143+08:00","text":"所以現在看起來影像很重要，包括無人艇自動去跟蹤，就像我們說要接近去驅離，還是後面去跟蹤。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:02:23.832143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:02:29.546429+08:00","text":"目前我們需要的影像辨識資料庫已經取得了嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:02:29.846429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:02:37.846429+08:00","text":"我們逐漸地在建立之中，因為AI本來就是要越多學習才能越機敏……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:02:38.146429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:02:40.432143+08:00","text":"那如何大量取得呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:02:40.732143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:02:45.303571+08:00","text":"如何取得大量的海上平面影像資料庫？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:02:45.603571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:03.317857+08:00","text":"有關於這部分的細節，等一下署長可以做更多的說明，但是基本上，我們現在能夠協助辨識的所有資訊，都逐步在進入這個資料庫之中，我們請署長說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:03.617857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:06.189286+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，請副主委、署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:06.489286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:16.775000+08:00","text":"上次我問過國防部，他們有銳鳶二型從上來看，但是水平的部分沒有，缺乏這樣的影像啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:17.075000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:26.217857+08:00","text":"因為你們不是在天上飛，你們的艇在水面上走，你們有海平面的影像資料庫嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:26.517857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:37.375000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們現在影像獲得有四種方式，第一個部分就是友方，我們的友盟會提供相關的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:37.675000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:39.960714+08:00","text":"提供臺灣海域的嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:40.260714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:43.975000+08:00","text":"還是提供他們自己海域的？都有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:44.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:45.275000+08:00","text":"好，都有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:45.575000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:49.289286+08:00","text":"就提供部分的影像給我們使用。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:49.589286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:03:59.017857+08:00","text":"第二部分就是我們600噸以上的艦船艇都有隨時影像，包括我們現在35噸以上全都有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:03:59.317857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:04:01.889286+08:00","text":"你們總共數量有多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:04:02.189286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:04:06.475000+08:00","text":"35噸跟600噸以上通通加起來有沒有3,000艘？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:04:06.775000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:04:09.346429+08:00","text":"現在總數加起來有198艘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:04:09.646429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:04:14.217857+08:00","text":"198艘不到200艘，你知道我國的漁船有多少嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:04:14.517857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:04:17.946429+08:00","text":"我印象中應該是兩萬多。很好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:04:18.246429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:04:55.675000+08:00","text":"我們來看一下民間怎麼做，Google的街景車有自己拍的，也有請計程車拍的，自己布建及他購置的街景，向外面採購就是計程車幫他……計程車現在很簡單，現在影像監控大家都有嘛，駕駛上都有一個照相機，所以有沒有考慮過，我們也可以尋求民間用徵求影像的方式，來廣泛蒐集我國附近海域作業船隻、漁船的影像？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:04:55.975000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:04:59.975000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們不排除任何可能。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:05:00.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:05:08.560714+08:00","text":"另外，無人艇的部分，我們在國防韌性裡面就有編列預算要採購無人艇。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:05:08.860714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:05:18.860714+08:00","text":"無人艇進來以後，我們有一點點像是先導型，我們先試看看到底我們的使用情形如何。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:05:19.160714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:05:36.875000+08:00","text":"另外一個部分跟委員報告，因為無人艇受限於它的天線高度，所以它的偵蒐範圍還是有其物理極限，所以剛剛委員指導的部分，我們不排除任何的可能。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:05:37.175000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:05:38.175000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:05:38.475000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:05:54.189286+08:00","text":"主委，所以剛剛聽到的預算很重要，今年在海委會編列了相當的預算，如果這預算不能順利通過，是不是會嚴重影響到我們海疆的巡護？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:05:54.489286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:06:16.203571+08:00","text":"我們很希望今天的審議，還是能夠再度得到委員會委員們給我們大力地支持，以我們去年來講，在委員會的時候，幾乎是非常非常大的、將近百分之百的支持我們，除了很少數的凍結以外……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:06:16.503571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:06:45.932143+08:00","text":"所以我們全力支持，我們也希望未來採購模式不是只有採購，因為無人艇的特質跟無人機不同，它不是一次性而是可以重複使用，它在訓練的耗損也比較低，而且它迭代的更替，不像無人機FPV那麼快，所以可以有三到五年的時間逐步更新它的設備。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:06:46.232143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:07:02.517857+08:00","text":"我們舉例來講，如果說今天我們要買先進戰機、主力戰機，可能你要採購作戰用的，但是如果要訓練我們的飛行員，用國產的高教機就可以了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:07:02.817857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:07:21.960714+08:00","text":"同樣的道理，我們的無人艇，未來如果都要求買來的每一艘都是最先進的設備，有兩個問題：第一個造價很貴，第二個它設備退流行很快，它可能一年、兩年又被更新了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:07:22.260714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:07:41.117857+08:00","text":"那是不是有考慮過，跟海軍……我也跟海軍這樣建議，有沒有可能建置我們水面無人載具跟水面以下的無人載具，可以先有訓練用的，以國產國造的優先購置來思考？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:07:41.417857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:07:54.846429+08:00","text":"我們跟海軍的部分，已經有一部分跟海軍一起聯合學習，屬於我們自己的部分的話，我們現在還在採購的程序當中……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:07:55.146429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:08:17.146429+08:00","text":"我的建議是說，你們的採購程序可以考慮租賃並行，有的訓練用的，你可以變成用服務契約的方式，請他來提供、維管、損耗等等，都由廠商來負責，但是你們自己要用的、長期要用的，你們用買斷。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:08:17.446429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:08:27.446429+08:00","text":"副主委，上次我在詢問國防部長的時候你也在場，你覺得在海巡的部分有沒有可能性？","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:08:27.746429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:08:30.889286+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這是有可能的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:08:31.189286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:08:46.046429+08:00","text":"另外一部分，我們現在主要的採購，希望除了維修能夠落地以外，也希望能夠跟國內生產廠家把技術移轉，這是我們最主要目的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:08:46.346429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:09:12.917857+08:00","text":"這個目的最主要就是它可以降低成本，另外一個就符合剛剛委員說的，我不一定每一個都要很高階，我可以做一些是訓練用的；有一些是偵蒐用的；有一些是可以比較長效期的船艦來使用，也可以搭配我們現在的巡防艇來使用。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副主任委員忠龍","start":"2026-04-29T11:09:13.217857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:09:23.503571+08:00","text":"我覺得委員的構想非常好，我們可以適應不同的水域、不同的功能需求，來做不同的調整。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:09:23.803571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:09:25.517857+08:00","text":"好，謝謝副主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:09:25.817857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:09:38.675000+08:00","text":"主委，我最後兩個部分，您看一看投影片，就是請研議「海上影像資料庫建立方法與內容形式」，可以提出一個評估……","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:09:38.975000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:09:40.403571+08:00","text":"我們來研議。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:09:40.703571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:09:46.989286+08:00","text":"另外，無人艦艇的採購，是不是考慮租購並行的可行性？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:09:47.289286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:09:49.860714+08:00","text":"也請你們評估，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"管主任委員碧玲","start":"2026-04-29T11:09:50.160714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:10:13.589286+08:00","text":"我們可能下個階段會規劃租賃的問題，現階段的話，我們落地維保是一定要求的，甚至於硬體要落地生產也是我們在考慮中的，anyway，我們會朝向發展國內產業也一併考慮在內的方向來規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-04-29T11:10:13.889286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:10:19.603571+08:00","text":"好，我們也希望不分朝野全力支持這個預算，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:10:19.903571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:10:22.475000+08:00","text":"謝謝，謝謝鍾佳濱委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:10:22.775000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:10:26.489286+08:00","text":"接下來我們請徐欣瑩委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}