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而且紅窩蟻整個蔓延到了苗栗所以很清楚的紅窩蟻的南北防線已經全部都被突破可是預算還是持續的逐年下降我對這裡面的邏輯不是很清楚 可不可以請部長做個說明我簡單的說 你這樣來看的話 他預算大概是"},{"start":489.744,"end":515.739,"text":"兩千多萬到兩千八百多萬那以這樣的一個幾百萬的額度通常是在預算最後統三的時候去被刪除的部分但是相關的因為統三預算有刪除但是執行需要的話我們就用想辦法用其他的經費來協助連這個部分都沒有問題所以本期這邊所以你說這個預算數逐年降低是因為被統三的關係可能是統三因為都幾百萬嘛差幾百萬通常是統三的關係啦"},{"start":517.641,"end":545.282,"text":"那針對紅活椅的部分尤其在新竹市的地方我們看到新竹市的情況還是持續的一個狀態並沒有真正很明顯的一個改善那請之後給本席針對新竹市紅活椅的相關的一個範圍還有整個處置的一個狀態給本席一個簡單的書面資料我最後這邊剩下再多給我一兩分鐘的時候我特別要講一下有關於那個"},{"start":546.222,"end":560.287,"text":"馬鈴薯的問題 因為很多人都關心馬鈴薯這件事情那我只是比較特別一點是因為我看到了一個我們馬鈴薯這個部分我們之前有一個食品"},{"start":562.828,"end":588.37,"text":"食用馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件是在107年就公佈了對不對然後我們現在多了一個美國產加工用馬鈴薯輸入檢疫條件是在115年2月6號通過嘛那在當中的時候很清楚的狀態把那個有扎芽的馬鈴薯這條件把它給去除掉因為本來是不能夠進口現在把它給排除掉了對不對最主要變化在這個地方"},{"start":590.372,"end":611.49,"text":"應該這麼講喔過去的食用馬鈴薯其實它是分為鮮食跟加工它是沒有分開的那其實在過去的一兩年之間其實我們跟美方就這個議題其實已經談了兩三年之久了那美國一直希望能夠比照日本日本是允許加工用馬鈴薯直接進來那以台灣來講我理解這個狀態"},{"start":614.452,"end":639.039,"text":"我只是特別想要特別去講到一個點就是說因為這個我們在馬鈴薯這事情的一個讓步當中的時候我覺得時間點就是感覺很特殊因為1月16號的時候正義軍赴美簽MOU那麼我們1月21號農業部就公告了可是原本我們一般公告會有60天我們在這個事情公告只有14天然後2月6號就公告完成然後2月13號就簽約我覺得這個部分"},{"start":641.98,"end":663.403,"text":"我想特別強調一個點就是說農業部對於我們台灣農業的一個保護跟把關一定要盡力啦那除了這個部分因為它還牽涉到食安的問題那包括我們最近在講的花生的問題我們都希望農業部這邊對於台灣的農產品能夠盡力的去保護不要很輕而易舉的就把它犧牲掉"},{"start":663.783,"end":686.695,"text":"好不好我想這是農業部的責任然後針對馬鈴薯的部分我再次強調我們的檢疫條件檢疫的標準沒有變那相關的食安衛護部的這些檢驗的標準也沒有變只是在程序上面我們做了一些調整部長當國門這邊已經退守的時候你把所有的責任檢疫的相關的量能跟壓力全部都往後端"},{"start":687.575,"end":698.903,"text":"去地方上去送的時候我覺得這量能性是有問題的我們之後再另外再找你們到辦公室這邊來做溝通這件事情主席已經站起來很久了謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}