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各位委員在座的出列席官員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:48:51+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:48:54.822000+08:00","text":"主席，麻煩先請國產署署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:48:54.822000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:48:58.644000+08:00","text":"請國產署曾署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:48:58.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:48:58.644000+08:00","text":"署長好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:49:00.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:49:26.136000+08:00","text":"你們其實常常在地方做會勘，因為國產署的地多到自己都不曉得，所以常常是地方看到有一塊地怎麼荒廢在這邊，可能造成環境的影響，想要來用，才發現這是國產署的地，然後找國產署來做會勘，國產署在當地的人就很忙、非常地忙，有人私下表示公文多到不得了。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:49:27.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:49:37.404000+08:00","text":"我在想你們國產署現在都不能夠把預算多編一點，針對各地這麼多地，多編列預算來處理嗎？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:49:38.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:49:56.356000+08:00","text":"至少主動積極，不要造成地方的問題跟負擔，不然每一次都要辦會勘，跟國產署講，拜託國產署積極一點，國產署有時候又說人力不足，所以會產生一個負面循環，我覺得其實對當地、對環境都不是太好。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:49:57.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:49:57.377000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:49:57.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:50:01.219000+08:00","text":"署長，你們有沒有可能在這個部分多著一點力？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:50:01.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:50:01.799000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:50:01.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:50:18.646000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們都在極力爭取經費跟人力，尤其我們很多臨時人力現在都被控管，只要他一離開，就不能補，所以現場勘查的人員就會變少，就這個部分我們會再來積極爭取人力。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:50:19.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:50:28.989000+08:00","text":"第二個，如果地方有一些村里需要國有土地做暫時的停車或綠美化，隨時可以來跟我們申請。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:50:28.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:50:35.092000+08:00","text":"這個我知道，但有時候也牽涉到地方政府想不想維管的問題，因為如果維管的話，地方政府也要出經費。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:50:36.353000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:50:53.549000+08:00","text":"常常出現的狀況就是明明是國產署的地，我們希望地方可以來維管，但是比如當地很髒亂，地方又會說請國產署把髒亂解決就好了，導致問題沒辦法根本解決，但是那個地又是國產署的，所以常常會卡在這邊。","quality":0.776},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:50:53.549000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:50:54.690000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們現在也在思考……","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:50:54.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:51:00.398000+08:00","text":"所以我會希望，既然地是屬於國產署的，國產署當然就應該多負點責任，你是地主嘛。是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:51:00.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:51:05.244000+08:00","text":"如果那裡的地面凹凸不平，有人走路跌倒了，最後會找誰？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:51:05.244000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:51:07.467000+08:00","text":"是找國產署，不是找地方政府。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:51:08.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:51:24.560000+08:00","text":"所以能不能針對地方，我覺得至少主動去清查一下，看看有沒有哪些地是你們不知道的，但是可能有環境髒亂、甚至於有安全的問題，你們可以主動出擊，不要等到發生問題之後，大家再來找你們。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:51:26.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:51:28.402000+08:00","text":"好，我們也會安排主動巡管。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:51:29.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:51:48.667000+08:00","text":"就剛剛委員提到過的，我們現在也試著想，有一些空地，因為現在城市熱效應的關係，那些空地能不能來植樹或是做一些美化，先做完之後再來洽地方或企業認養，這個也是我們……","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:51:48.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:51:49.548000+08:00","text":"也是一個方法，好不好？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:51:49.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:51:53.889000+08:00","text":"也是一個方法，但是都涉及到經費，也需要委員在經費上面予以支持。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:51:54.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:52:02.951000+08:00","text":"對，我認為你做這個東西，大家才比較有感，不然每次大家經過，都會覺得那個國產署的地怎麼這樣，其實對國產署的機關形象也很不好。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:52:03.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:52:03.771000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法，只要……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:52:05.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:52:07.692000+08:00","text":"多編一點預算來做這個事，我們一定支持。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:52:08.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:52:10.093000+08:00","text":"接下來請部長，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾署長國基","start":"2026-04-29T11:52:10.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:52:10.453000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T11:52:15.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:52:15.714000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:52:16.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:52:39.968000+08:00","text":"部長，請教一下，去年綜所稅的申報延了一個月，我看到滿多委員也有提出來，現在美伊戰爭除了造成油價上漲之外，整個物價都會被帶動，天然氣可能也會上漲，人民的負擔增加了，有沒有可能比照去年，讓綜所稅也可以延長申報一個月？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:52:42.350000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:53:01.428000+08:00","text":"我們可以看到去年的數據，滿多人因為延長一個月而受惠，像去年6月大概就有兩百零二萬餘件，占了30%、三成左右，所以如果今年能夠比照，往後延一個月的話，我相信也會有很高比例的人可以受惠。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:53:03.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:53:47.232000+08:00","text":"之前別的委員在問財政部這個問題的時候，我覺得財政部提出的理由有待商榷，有一個理由是股市現在很好，那時候是3萬7,000點，部長可能講說現在更高了，可是問題是很多受到影響的人不見得有買股票，股票漲和我們社會裡面很多人都是無關的，只要他沒有買股票就沒有受惠，但是他平常去買東西，或者可能騎摩托車需要加油，或者支付一些民生必需用品，所付的成本是提高的，為什麼不能夠比照去年延長一個月，讓大多數的國人都可以受惠呢？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T11:53:50.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:11.161000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，今年因為美伊戰爭的事情，讓油氣的價格在國際上漲，但是在國內採取了許多平緩措施，各位可以知道，就是中油吸收、政府相關的補貼都做到，而且有凍漲的機制，所以今年我們照顧民生跟穩定物價，政府持續在做，這是一個。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:11.161000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:20.386000+08:00","text":"第二個就是所得稅申報這個事情都已經ready了，5月1號就開始啟動，這個部分到5月31號就完成作業時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:20.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:23.047000+08:00","text":"你講的只是把我的問題再重複一遍而已。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:23.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:24.247000+08:00","text":"不是重複一遍，而是告訴你今年的情況……","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:24.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:25.228000+08:00","text":"我知道啟動，但是延後嘛！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:25.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:26.228000+08:00","text":"不是叫你提早嘛！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:26.228000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:27.228000+08:00","text":"今年的情況跟去年……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:26.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:26.629000+08:00","text":"是延後。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:26.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:28.529000+08:00","text":"時間已經到了，請財政部用書面跟葉委員答復。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:28.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:30.810000+08:00","text":"雖然有凍漲，但是物價還是漲了，因為之前有漲過一波。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:31.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:32.051000+08:00","text":"我們是不是用書面回復？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:32.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:33.692000+08:00","text":"請用書面跟葉委員回答，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:33.772000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:33.792000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T11:54:33.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T11:54:34.152000+08:00","text":"下一位質詢委員請羅明才委員質詢。","quality":0.8}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}