{"error":false,"id":["168966"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":168966,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168966","日期":"2026-04-29","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-19-11","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":11,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[19],"委員會代碼:str":["經濟委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-04-29T12:26:47+08:00","結束時間":"2026-04-29T12:31:44+08:00","影片長度":"00:04:57","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee844a2ac7ae6af55ee24294381b535652e629ca0dd5c777562ec83aa5707098847e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"葉元之","委員發言時間":"12:26:47 - 12:31:44","會議時間":"2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、\t審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。\n二、\t審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。\n三、\t審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)\n【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":0.03096875,"end":1.68471875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":9.902843750000002,"end":10.13909375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":11.37096875,"end":13.78409375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":21.32721875,"end":29.32596875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":29.410343750000003,"end":32.009093750000005,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":32.24534375,"end":34.40534375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":34.77659375,"end":38.15159375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":38.59034375,"end":39.75471875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":39.940343750000004,"end":42.26909375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":42.775343750000005,"end":49.28909375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":49.57596875,"end":53.001593750000005,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":53.524718750000005,"end":53.929718750000006,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":54.351593750000006,"end":84.18659375,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":84.25409375000001,"end":91.44284375000001,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":84.45659375000001,"end":85.03034375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":91.79721875,"end":103.28909375,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":100.87596875000001,"end":109.78596875000001,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":109.98846875000001,"end":142.11846875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":112.38471875,"end":114.47721875,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":122.02034375000001,"end":122.45909375000001,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":124.29846875000001,"end":125.00721875,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":125.68221875,"end":126.67784375000001,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":131.45346875,"end":132.11159375,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":142.33784375000002,"end":153.59346875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":144.64971875,"end":144.68346875,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":145.39221875,"end":146.30346875,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":152.88471875000002,"end":153.79596875000001,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":153.79596875000001,"end":163.90409375000002,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":164.10659375,"end":178.68659375000001,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":178.95659375000002,"end":187.25909375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":179.31096875,"end":179.44596875000002,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":187.63034375,"end":192.94596875000002,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":193.19909375,"end":194.36346875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":194.61659375000002,"end":199.03784375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":199.03784375,"end":234.89721875,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":201.33284375000002,"end":201.77159375000002,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":234.89721875,"end":242.13659375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":242.35596875000002,"end":247.50284375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":247.57034375,"end":247.92471875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":247.92471875,"end":247.95846875,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":248.66721875000002,"end":248.68409375000002,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":248.68409375000002,"end":249.27471875,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":249.79784375000003,"end":253.79721875,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":253.86471875,"end":260.96909375,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":260.96909375,"end":275.46471875000003,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":275.73471875,"end":278.01284375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":278.48534375,"end":284.00346875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":284.13846875,"end":286.73721875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":286.80471875,"end":288.99846875000003,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":289.48784375,"end":290.88846875,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":290.98971875,"end":293.97659375,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":294.02721875000003,"end":296.06909375000004,"speaker_score":0.832},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"陳部長駿季","start":294.66846875000005,"end":295.69784375,"speaker_score":0.955},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"葉委員元之","start":297.11534375,"end":297.30096875000004,"speaker_score":0.832}],"whisperx":[{"start":0.63,"end":1.39,"text":"主委好,介紹農業部長,謝謝請農業部陳部長"},{"start":21.368,"end":38.124,"text":"我想問一下花生的議題啦因為那個美國的花生如果零關稅進來的話對我們台灣的花生會有影響嗎那昨天農業部的說法是說還好啦因為他目前的占比只有一趴那主要的對手不是台灣的農民是其他國家的農民"},{"start":38.644,"end":52.888,"text":"那不讓你評估啦因為他之前是1%有沒有可能是因為他之前有關稅嘛比較高啦所以進口商不願意進價格比較高但如果沒有了關稅那進口商會不會也比較願意進就不只1%有沒有可能"},{"start":53.544,"end":73.114,"text":"不過我想從現在的進口的情況之下美國的花生跟印度的花生它的價差也不會很高所以美國都是以加工的花生為主而且是68噸而已如果說過往就已經差不多的時候它也不願意進來有它的一些它們會比較便宜"},{"start":74.614,"end":90.322,"text":"對 之後就是當它比較低的時候那就會開始去取代印度阿根廷跟巴西這是低道防線會不會取代台灣農民的花生我想以價格的角度如果政府沒有認得作為那它的確可能會有影響但是農業部絕對不會有"},{"start":92.143,"end":111.776,"text":"不作為所以我們在這段時間我們就會積極的去讓我們的花生的品牌的效益提升我相信委員也很喜歡吃台灣的花生那我怎麼樣讓更多的我覺得今天會遇到問題大家務實來討論這個事第一因為昨天在回答說因為它原本只有一趴競爭者不是我們我覺得就已經這樣的回答已經不是很精準了"},{"start":112.456,"end":136.506,"text":"因為你其實是有很多條件嘛你的意思是說如果我們的比歐農民我們可以提高我們的價值可以讓我們國人更喜歡我們的花生那大家不會完全以價格來考量的話那就對我們不會影響所以基本上你是有很多前提的建構才會得出結論就是說不會影響所以第一個你們回答要精準第二個你講說我們要提高價值取代價錢"},{"start":137.706,"end":151.054,"text":"過去農業部不是都一直在做這件事嗎難道你們農業部過去沒有在做這件事嗎不過我想有不同的策略不同的品質不同的策略嘛因為農業部一直一直的一個很重要的工作就是輔導我們農民讓我們農產品更有價值沒錯吧是"},{"start":153.956,"end":178.008,"text":"那怎麼會忽然間遇到這個狀況我們還繼續說我們要提高我們的價值這個有點空啦因為我們時間比較少主席控制時間我覺得我是希望說今天你們在談關稅的時候其實以前我也問過部長部長說絕對不會零關稅進來因為我們保護我們農業但是顯然就是有一些就是零關稅進來那你們有沒有在第一時間去跟農民講會遇到這樣的狀況"},{"start":179.208,"end":193.904,"text":"我會讓他措手不及因為昨天我看農業部有一些官員可能不是部長的說法是說沒關係我們就讓農民可以轉型或者是讓他去做別的事情但他忽然間措手不及會覺得那我現在不種花生我要幹嘛這件事情其實"},{"start":194.765,"end":217.438,"text":"是會讓他們陷入一種茫然我覺得農業部遇到問題就要趕快講我要先澄清一下我們的次長在對話講的時候是有完整的但是媒體在下標的時候可能就會有一些錯誤的解讀這個我想我們會盡快的澄清第二個部分就是您剛才講的就是我們怎麼樣讓農民知道"},{"start":217.958,"end":240.834,"text":"那因為現在R的本身並沒有生效但是我們的整個系統性的協助的規劃已經在跟相關的產銷班跟合作社長在去談他比較細的這些協助那我想我們一定會站在農民的立場讓我們的台灣發生更好然後我們跟社會大眾跟農民講話我覺得要講精準因為有時候你們講的話真的讓大家會聽不下去"},{"start":241.354,"end":267.241,"text":"那接下來那個美國的鮮奶也要零關稅進來嘛ARK裡面是那你們的因應是什麼美國鮮奶零關稅就好像台紐零關稅大家擔心的那以台紐零關稅去年一整年它只增加了600多噸它國跟國之間因為紐西蘭我提醒一下第一個美國鮮奶其實現在即便是有關稅的情況下都蠻便宜的啦國內也很喜歡買啦"},{"start":267.921,"end":294.558,"text":"所以之後零關稅一定影響更大那你到時候已經會推我們當然我站在消費者的角度當然OK啊對不對 因為現在越便宜越好啊可是到時候你保護農民因為又推一些配套措施希望你規劃好再推出像之前台牛的時候推那個什麼斑斑喝鮮奶後來就是弄到問題一堆無疾而終千萬不要再犯類似的錯誤要保護農民 要然後消費者權益也要但是重點就是配套也要做好啦了解 謝謝委員謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:26:47.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:26:48.210000+08:00","text":"主席好，請教農業部長，謝謝。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T12:26:48.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:26:48.390000+08:00","text":"請農業部陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:26:48.390000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:08.368000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:08.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:16.596000+08:00","text":"部長，我想問一下花生的議題，因為美國的花生如果零關稅進來的話，對我們臺灣的花生會有影響嘛！","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:16.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:18.457000+08:00","text":"昨天農業部的說法是：「還好啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:18.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:25.104000+08:00","text":"因為它目前的占比只有1%，主要的對手不是臺灣的農民，而是其他國家的農民。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:26.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:39.106000+08:00","text":"」部長評估之前是1%，有沒有可能是因為之前有關稅，所以進口商不願意進，價格比較高，但如果沒有了關稅，進口商會不會比較願意進，就不只1%？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:39.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:39.868000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:42.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:47.347000+08:00","text":"從現在進口的情況之下，美國花生跟印度花生的價差也不會很高。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:48.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:53.390000+08:00","text":"美國都是以加工的花生為主，而且是68噸而已。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:53.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:27:57.913000+08:00","text":"如果說過往就已經差不多的時候他也不願意進來，有他自己……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:27:59.733000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:00.094000+08:00","text":"會比較便宜啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:01.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:01.875000+08:00","text":"之後就直接是到岸價。對。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:02.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:09.338000+08:00","text":"第二個是當它價格比較低的時候，那就會開始取代印度、阿根廷跟巴西，這是第一道防線。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:09.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:10.919000+08:00","text":"會不會取代臺灣農民的花生？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:11.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:25.307000+08:00","text":"以價格的角度，如果政府沒有任何作為，那它的確可能會有影響，但是農業部絕對不會不作為，所以在這段時間，我們就會積極地讓我們花生的品牌效益提升。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:25.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:29.610000+08:00","text":"我相信委員也很喜歡吃臺灣的花生，那怎麼樣讓更多的臺灣花生……","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:29.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:31.211000+08:00","text":"部長，我覺得今天遇到問題，大家務實來討論這個事啦！是。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:31.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:38.756000+08:00","text":"第一，昨天回答說它原本只有1%，競爭者不是我們，我覺得這樣的回答就已經不是很精準了！不是！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:38.756000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:40.336000+08:00","text":"其實是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:40.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:42.217000+08:00","text":"其實是有很多條件嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:42.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:52.541000+08:00","text":"你的意思是說，如果我們的農民可以提高我們的價值，可以讓我們國人更喜歡我們的花生，大家不會完全以價格來考量的話，那就不會對我們影響。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:52.541000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:54.222000+08:00","text":"對，我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:54.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:28:58.744000+08:00","text":"基本上你有建構很多前提，才會得出結論，就是不會影響。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:28:58.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:00.624000+08:00","text":"所以第一個，你回答要精準。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:00.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:07.228000+08:00","text":"第二個，你說我們要提高價值，取代價錢，但過去農業部不是都一直在做這件事嗎？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:07.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:09.349000+08:00","text":"難道農業部過去沒有在做這件事嗎？有吧？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:09.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:11.170000+08:00","text":"不同的品項有不同的策略啦！","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:11.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:13.071000+08:00","text":"不是嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:14.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:18.034000+08:00","text":"農業部一直有一個很重要的工作，就是輔導我們的農民，讓我們的農產品更有價值，沒錯吧？是。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:20.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:25.878000+08:00","text":"那怎麼會忽然間遇到這個狀況，我們還繼續說要提高我們的價值？不是！","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:25.878000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:26.878000+08:00","text":"這個要……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:26.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:26.679000+08:00","text":"這個有點空啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:27.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:42.106000+08:00","text":"因為我們時間比較少，主席控制時間，我是希望今天你們在談關稅的時候……其實以前我也問過部長，部長說絕對不會零關稅進來，因為我們保護我們的農業，但是顯然有一些就是零關稅進來。是。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:42.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:45.008000+08:00","text":"那你們有沒有在第一時間去跟農民講會遇到這樣的狀況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:46.649000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:47.650000+08:00","text":"不然會讓他措手不及嘛！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:47.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:50.693000+08:00","text":"因為昨天我看農業部有一些官員，可能不是部長啦！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:50.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:52.675000+08:00","text":"他們的說法是說：「沒關係！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:52.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:56.319000+08:00","text":"我們就讓農民可以轉型，或者是讓他去做別的事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:29:56.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:29:59.643000+08:00","text":"」但他忽然間措手不及，會覺得：「我現在不種花生，那我要幹嘛？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:00.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:04.146000+08:00","text":"」這件事情其實會讓他們陷入一種茫然。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:04.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:07.308000+08:00","text":"我覺得農業部遇到問題就要趕快講！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:07.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:19.655000+08:00","text":"我要先澄清一下，我們的次長在對外講的時候是有完整的，但是媒體在下標的時候，可能就會有一些錯誤的解讀，這個我們會儘快地澄清。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:20.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:36.546000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，您剛才講的就是我們怎麼樣讓農民知道，因為現在ART本身並沒有生效，但是我們整個系統性協助的規劃已經在跟相關的產銷班和合作社談比較細節的部分。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:38.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:41.629000+08:00","text":"我們一定會站在農民的立場，讓我們臺灣的花生……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:42.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:47.814000+08:00","text":"我們跟社會大眾、農民講話，我覺得都要講精準，因為有時候你們講的話真的會讓大家聽不下去。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:48.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:51.175000+08:00","text":"接下來美國的鮮奶也要零關稅進來了嘛！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:51.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:52.615000+08:00","text":"在ART裡面，對吧？是。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:53.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:30:55.716000+08:00","text":"那你們的因應是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:30:55.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:00.577000+08:00","text":"美國鮮奶零關稅，就好像臺紐零關稅大家擔心的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:01.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:08.279000+08:00","text":"以臺紐零關稅，去年一整年它只增加了六百多噸，國跟國之間因為紐西蘭……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葉委員元之：沒關係！因為時間快到了，我提醒一下","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:09.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:20.305000+08:00","text":"第一個，現在即便是有關稅的情況下，美國鮮奶其實都滿便宜的，國人也很喜歡買，所以之後零關稅一定影響更大，你到時候一定會推……我站在消費者角度，當然OK啊！","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"葉委員元之：沒關係！因為時間快到了，我提醒一下","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:20.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:22.266000+08:00","text":"因為鮮奶越便宜越好啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉委員元之：沒關係！因為時間快到了，我提醒一下","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:22.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:27.429000+08:00","text":"可是到時候為了保護農民，又推一些配套措施，希望你規劃好再推出。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葉委員元之：沒關係！因為時間快到了，我提醒一下","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:27.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:35.234000+08:00","text":"像之前臺紐的時候，推那個什麼「班班喝鮮奶」，後來就是弄到問題一堆，無疾而終，千萬不要再犯類似的錯誤。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"葉委員元之：沒關係！因為時間快到了，我提醒一下","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:35.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:36.555000+08:00","text":"保護農民，要！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之：沒關係！因為時間快到了，我提醒一下","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:37.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:38.676000+08:00","text":"然後消費者權益，也要！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之：沒關係！因為時間快到了，我提醒一下","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:38.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:40.758000+08:00","text":"但重點就是配套也要做好，謝謝。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳部長駿季","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:41.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:41.558000+08:00","text":"了解，謝謝委員提醒。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:42.058000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:45.200857+08:00","text":"下一位應該是最後一位啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-29T12:31:45.500857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-29T12:31:47.786571+08:00","text":"請張雅琳委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}