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謝謝署長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:04.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:04.769000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:04.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:04.869000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:04.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:04.949000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:04.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:07.430000+08:00","text":"部長，剛剛我的好朋友──小金剛莊瑞雄一直在逼問你最喜歡哪個啦啦隊隊員，幸好你守口如瓶，即便你心中有名單，講出來以後也沒完沒了啦！","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:07.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:07.610000+08:00","text":"我不能去講喜歡誰。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:07.610000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:08.610000+08:00","text":"不然你後遺症會很多。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:07.610000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:30.417000+08:00","text":"部長，我今天想跟您討論一個最基本的人權問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:30.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:32.958000+08:00","text":"人被關起來以後，不管他是被羈押還是服刑，其實他還是有健康權跟醫療人權的，這一點部長您同意嗎？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:46.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:50.712000+08:00","text":"我想每個國民不管是不是在收容中，我們認為還是要有醫療人權的保障。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:50.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:50.832000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:50.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:52.272000+08:00","text":"部長，有關近期的監察院報告，你說我很愛用監察院報告，剛才小金剛也用監察院報告，因為這樣你們可能會比較在乎。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:52.272000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:32:09.119000+08:00","text":"115年4月23號，也就是沒幾天之前，報告點出矯正機關的醫療體系存在許多的不足，這個報告你們同事應該都有，包括醫療量能不足、特殊慢性疾病照護不周、教育訓練不夠，已經影響到收容人的醫療權益與健康權。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:32:09.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:32:37.153000+08:00","text":"監察院甚至還說，這句話稍微重了點，「法務部對相關戒護管理及督導作為洵屬流於形式」，請問部長是否接受監察院的說法？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:32:37.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:32:40.355000+08:00","text":"你是否同意監察院認為的矯正醫療體系確實存在這些問題呢？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:32:44.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:32:45.503000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的指教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:32:46.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:32:59.112000+08:00","text":"對於監察院的一些意見，我會督導整個矯正署關於醫療這部分的完善，我們會再來做一個加強。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:32:59.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:02.634000+08:00","text":"這部分是不是我請署長來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:02.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:04.015000+08:00","text":"就監察院的這個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:04.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:06.377000+08:00","text":"對於他做哪些精進的作為……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:06.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:09.218000+08:00","text":"對，做一個簡單的……因為下面我還要繼續提出相關的問題。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:09.218000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:10.218000+08:00","text":"我是不是請林署長？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:09.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:09.419000+08:00","text":"是署長嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:09.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:09.459000+08:00","text":"林署長，好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:14.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:15.724000+08:00","text":"對於這份監察院的報告你服氣嗎？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:17.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:25.014000+08:00","text":"報告委員，對於監察院的報告我們尊重，我們內部也不斷地在做滾動式的檢討。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:25.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:35.553000+08:00","text":"對於收容人的醫療，我們都跟衛福部簽有健保特約醫院，他會派醫師到我們機關來做醫療門診。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:35.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:44.259000+08:00","text":"署長，基本上目前的制度我知道，我們大概都理解，但是現在卻被提出了一些要注意的，我知道很多事情不可能一步到位或是做到圓滿。是。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:44.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:53.385000+08:00","text":"我是不是可以針對他們這次提出的一些想法……請您留在備詢台上，讓我請教您好了，也讓部長能夠了解。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:54.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:57.768000+08:00","text":"我不是要談個案，但是很多事情，像醫學也是從個案到通案的。是。","quality":0.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變成各監所做法都不一樣。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:36:48.551000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:36:53.894000+08:00","text":"這個有統一的標準，這就要看醫生專業的意見。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:36:53.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:36:58.957000+08:00","text":"好，因為監察院報告裡面寫出了很多案例，說明你們沒有一致的標準，標準也不明確。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:36:59.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:36:59.877000+08:00","text":"這個是有標準的，有明確的標準化。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:03.599000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:05.261000+08:00","text":"好，但是監察院的報告寫得很清楚。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:05.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:45.897000+08:00","text":"部長，這些都是專家提出來的意見，請你們參考，第一個，應該要思考內部管理規範是否合理、是否合乎人權，時代不同了，很多地方都一樣，即使是受刑人、收容人，也要就這個議題來討論；第二個，其實沒有很多醫院願意負責這一塊，很多大概也是被迫去做的，尤其是衛福部的醫院，因為要耗費很多的人力，而且受益是有限的，整個誘因是不足的，這是第二個問題；第三個，你現在每年是用專案的方式補助嘛，整個醫院的營運成本、人力資源使用是會越來越高的，終究會被迫減少、縮減服務項目，因為誘因也不夠。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:45.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:46.738000+08:00","text":"但監察院的報告也說，整體來說最大的問題還是人力跟資源不足。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:57.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:02.368000+08:00","text":"如果你們要做好這個事情，我們在預算、在這個部分也都一樣可以支持啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:03.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:04.330000+08:00","text":"就是人力、預算不足。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:05.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:07.111000+08:00","text":"署長了解今天的重點嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:07.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:08.592000+08:00","text":"那個報告你應該有看到吧？有。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:09.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:10.473000+08:00","text":"那是幾天之前，大約是一個禮拜前的。","quality":0.467},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:11.214000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:12.114000+08:00","text":"是，我們都有拜讀。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:12.114000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:12.674000+08:00","text":"是全新的啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:12.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:15.956000+08:00","text":"我們有拜讀，它偏重個案的情形、個案的描述比較多。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:19.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:21.681000+08:00","text":"但是你要有人去做判斷。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:21.681000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:22.681000+08:00","text":"有、有、有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:22.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:28.806000+08:00","text":"最後我會講一些數字，再請你們看近期能不能……我願意尊重你們的時間，作業的時間我想要了解。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:30.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:35.432000+08:00","text":"對於監察院提出的這些建議，法務部看到報告後，就把這部分放著嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:36.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:39.237000+08:00","text":"基本上你是不是要有一些對應的做法？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:39.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:42.421000+08:00","text":"你不可能不去理它，這部分我先建議兩週內，時間我們可以再討論。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:42.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:52.252000+08:00","text":"有三件事情，第一個，緊急外醫的觀察評估指標，對於評估的頻率，有沒有訂定更細緻化的明確標準作業程序，供所屬矯正人員去遵循？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:52.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:53.573000+08:00","text":"如果有，什麼時候可以開始使用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:53.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:54.834000+08:00","text":"這是第一點我希望放在裡面的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:54.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:55.515000+08:00","text":"第二個，人力跟資源量能如何補上？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:55.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:11.466000+08:00","text":"你們如果有缺，監察院也說你們有缺，那什麼時候、該怎麼補上？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:11.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:14.587000+08:00","text":"你怎麼去強化特約醫院的誘因？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:15.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:17.328000+08:00","text":"怎麼想辦法讓他們跟你們有好的合作？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:17.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:33.174000+08:00","text":"第三個，麻煩請你們去了解一下，因為我過去從來都查不到這個數字，我可不可以知道過去10年來，受刑人從保外就醫出去之後到因疾病死亡未回監這個比例的統計？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:33.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:44.200000+08:00","text":"因為我第一張的投影片就有提到，司改會3個月連續收到3起監獄延誤送醫致死案件的陳情。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:45.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:49.204000+08:00","text":"所以我要的第三個東西是，過去10年……我可以有這個資料嗎？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:49.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:52.307000+08:00","text":"受刑人從保外就醫，也就是說被判斷就是一定要送出去就醫了……","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:52.307000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:53.307000+08:00","text":"我們來統計。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:53.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:59.973000+08:00","text":"到他因疾病過世而沒辦法再回監，這個資料我可以知道嗎？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:59.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:00.333000+08:00","text":"這個比例的統計。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:00.333000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:01.333000+08:00","text":"可以、可以，我們可以提供，沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:00.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:00.533000+08:00","text":"沒問題喔！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:01.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:01.254000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜夠嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:01.254000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:02.254000+08:00","text":"可以、可以！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:02.254000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:03.254000+08:00","text":"沒問題，可以提供。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:03.254000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:04.254000+08:00","text":"部長，署長說可以喔？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:04.254000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:05.254000+08:00","text":"我就尊重矯正署……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:04.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:04.196000+08:00","text":"剛剛幾個點嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:04.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:11.601000+08:00","text":"你們要怎麼樣努力去改善人力資源；怎麼讓合約醫院願意好好跟你們配合，不要隨意減縮服務項目；第三個，我想知道過去有沒有這個狀況？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:11.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:30.373000+08:00","text":"過去就過去了，但是我們要知道是不是因為延誤就醫造成種種的遺憾，因為所有的收容人跟受刑人還是有他的健康權、醫療權，好嗎？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:30.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:30.593000+08:00","text":"這是基本的醫療人權問題。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:30.593000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:31.593000+08:00","text":"是，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:31.593000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:32.593000+08:00","text":"這部分我們兩個禮拜就書面的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:32.593000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:33.593000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:33.593000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:34.593000+08:00","text":"好，兩個禮拜。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:34.593000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:35.593000+08:00","text":"可以喔！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:30.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:31.074000+08:00","text":"應該都有資料才對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:31.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:33.635000+08:00","text":"因為你們定期會對保外就醫的人做一些調查報告及訪視，資料一定是現成的嘛！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:33.635000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:34.635000+08:00","text":"對，我們會去訪視，他們死亡會通知我們。是、是！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:33.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:34.075000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長、謝謝署長。謝謝。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:34.575000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:36.003571+08:00","text":"謝謝陳委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:36.303571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:46.875000+08:00","text":"剛剛陳委員所關心議題的相關索資，請法務部到時候也提供給司委會委員都各一份，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:47.175000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:48.175000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（陳委員昭姿代）","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:48.475000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:52.760714+08:00","text":"接下來我們請翁曉玲委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}