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現在目前的鄭部長 看一下那個學題歷程未提交的比率 你會看到第一屆開始到第三屆的時候未提交的比率會越來越高而且經濟弱勢的學生部長已經有62.32%他們沒有提交"},{"start":437.493,"end":447.038,"text":"這個是對我們學習歷程來說的話他們一些無聲的一個抗議那當然是來自一個信任的一個危機因為他們認為這已經是家長經費的一種所謂的軍備競賽然後呢他們也有很多人認為我寫了三百多頁那到底有沒有認證在看數據會告訴你其實經濟弱勢的學生提交的比例會越來越低這是給提供部長做一個參考還有我們往下來看"},{"start":463.246,"end":483.087,"text":"学校端来说你说要让他的学生有多元的学习部长你看一下学校端有些时候呢他们希望鼓励多元的选修而且各校至少有六个学分提供学生来做选修但是你们看到这个比率学校端没有依照计划开课的比率超过五成部长这有检讨过吗"},{"start":484.329,"end":497.136,"text":"還沒有超過啊學校都不開課啊那這個問題是在四五月的時候老師有提這個計畫但是在八月的時候老師在跨學年度的時候當然帶了老師的壞話那這個我們都會尋求在線上或相關的來改善對你這個年度來看就很清楚告訴大家要多元學習結果你課就完全開不出來還有呢謝謝署長的一個回應齁哇這個時間這樣表現最還好最後還有兩分鐘好緊張"},{"start":512.083,"end":530.326,"text":"還有呢部長你剛花了好幾個篇幅在告訴我你們雙語教育有多重要英文能力有多重要你看一下好了現在大學採取英聽的比例越來越低而且你看英聽的缺考率真的是缺考率越來越高你看到沒有從110年度到110年不斷在降低然後呢我們每一次各大學校長"},{"start":531.187,"end":545.598,"text":"每一个系所都要求学生而且对于系所采取的系组越来越少你告诉我我没有说应听就跟你的英文教育双语教育画上等号可是它就是一个指标啊你每年花费我们这么多钱到底效益在哪里"},{"start":547.605,"end":552.329,"text":"更西蜀根本直接砍半根本就不採取這個這說實在的考試領導教學我以前就是這樣現在很難過的還是這樣子你不採集你不用他就不會去考 不會去考更不會去念啊"},{"start":563.288,"end":583.703,"text":"部長你的陰聽好不好你的暴增缺考率暴增比過去暴增量2.5倍我們會跟大學端再來這個討論在大學校長會議真正的認識因為他終究是一個也是一個國際移動的一個能力嘛那以我們現在的做法是我們在這個雙贏這裡邊如果系所沒有採集這一個陰聽的能力的話我們事實上是會減少補助的一些經費也就是說"},{"start":590.888,"end":611.134,"text":"學校怎麼在看待人才培育上是 你減少補助你光是看這個各系所謂的搶學薪直接給你砍半表示你的補助比不上學生入學的動機度這個就可以顯示出來嘛而且教育部不但強調雙語可是每一次都告訴我們你每次都告訴我們大學裡面你開了多少全英文的課程"},{"start":612.054,"end":633.308,"text":"我说实在,大学教授在这边,我们自己也当过大学教授,所以上来这边,我们就是为了符合教育部的一个规准,然后呢,连一些根本不需要,甚至有很多时候,走过去的话,老师的英文也不怎么样,可是他跟学生用中文沟通,然后英文给你用教材,会给你几个reference是英文的,然后就可以把它算出来,这叫做英语教学,你难道不晓得这样子个乱象吗,部长?"},{"start":634.69,"end":648.915,"text":"不是每個學校都跟你中山大學推把英文推行的這麼好啦我們在這個分市有不定期的去訪試去查核的我是覺得學生的認知很重要學生能夠了解的內容很重要不要為了要雙語可是你又拿不出對策然後又拿這個平等策略不出然後來"},{"start":652.776,"end":676.614,"text":"來這個情緒我們再繼續來加強我當然是要繼續加強在我們這個所謂的我們的審預算是會好好的最後兩秒鐘我只告訴你這個亂象從過去到現在都有不要為了獨尊這個所謂的雙語但是有關於雙語所造成為了拿到補助而讓我們整個教學的現場變成非常的混亂而且非常ridiculous我覺得部長你真的不是只有仿事可以這整個制度面的一個好好的檢討好不好謝謝委員提醒好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:04+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:05+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，是不是請鄭部長？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:05+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:06+08:00","text":"好，有請鄭部長上備詢台，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:06+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:07+08:00","text":"柯委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:07+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:08+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:04.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:08.112000+08:00","text":"今天教育預算林林總總，有那麼多的大學校長在這裡，所以我就focus在高等教育經費上面。","quality":0.45},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:09.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:31:29.251000+08:00","text":"教育部在113年的8月已經核定因應高教人才的新增提升教育人員待遇計畫，所以跟國科會加起來，有關於優秀人才的彈性薪資總共編列360億左右，你們提出了四大策略。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:31:29.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:32:06.612000+08:00","text":"我想留才是每一個人都非常希望的，但是不管是什麼樣的名目或品項，你永遠會發現我們要留才的時候完全都是集中在教授級，我們想要留住國際人才，從108到112年反而人數不斷的下降，國際人才的減幅高達33.76%，這個不是我講的，是監察院特別提出來的，所以這個彈性方案對於國際人才還有對於人才斷層的補救基本上是不太足夠的。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:32:07.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:32:21.086000+08:00","text":"現職教授占比過高，我們預計未來將有22%的教授即將要退場，然後集中化的補助可以從教授、副教授跟助理教授來。","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:32:22.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:32:42.018000+08:00","text":"面對未來5年22%教師的退休潮，我說實在的，部長，即使有齊頭式的加薪，但這是普遍性加薪，並不是菁英式的加薪，這完全只是通膨的原則而已，你如何能夠達成你當初所訂定的目標，要留下青年優秀人才？","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T09:32:43.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:10.274000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實我們透過彈性薪資或者玉山青年學者，我們有許多的方案，感謝委員關心，再次提醒我，我想所有的大學校長也都聽到了，我們教育部跟國科會合作的這個計畫，彈性薪資並不是只有給教授，我們希望學校也能夠確保大概50%的副教授跟助理教授，就是一半、一半，對等的……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:10.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:45.418000+08:00","text":"但是，部長，我就跟你講嘛，這數字顯示出來，我們所補助的沒有辦法精準的投放在所謂的青年優秀人才身上，而且最重要的是，我們所撥的52億跟過去所提到的，如果最後完全是由資深教授取得的話，我們就會質疑這52億到底可以達到什麼樣的成效、你剛剛所揭露的四大策略到底有沒有得到協助，這是我要特別提出來的，因為時間真的非常的有限，我們還是希望能夠精準的投放。","quality":0.799},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:46.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:48.039000+08:00","text":"然後時間是不是可以暫停一下？","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:48.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:51.920000+08:00","text":"接下來我還是要提到教育的問題，是不是請臺大？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:52.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:53.821000+08:00","text":"臺大校長今天沒來，對不對？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:53.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:33:54.981000+08:00","text":"那不好意思，我就請副校長。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:33:56.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:12.972000+08:00","text":"其實現在有非常多優秀的學校，不管是清大、陽明、交大，還有我們高雄也有非常多的校長過來，但是我們就拿學生、家長最夢寐以求的……我也不能這樣講，這樣得罪了其他人，大家都非常的優秀，我們就請臺大來做代表，就是代表我們所有家長的意見。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:16.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:33.133000+08:00","text":"臺大校務基金不錯，115年賸餘是9,400萬，但是相對於114年短絀7,600萬，所以臺大校務基金在自籌的部分有相當好的成就，我想我就替所有家長表達他們的心聲，有關學習歷程，部長，我們一年花14到15億左右來做學習歷程，我們真正來看一下，學習歷程當然有人支持、有人不支持，我們就問臺大的代表。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:33.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:00.436000+08:00","text":"副校長，你當然沒有看過真正的學習歷程，因為這個不需要你，但是我想你們在校務會議裡面都有討論過，有些學生除了一般基本的之外，他在自述的部分甚至繳交了300頁的報告，就臺大甄選學生來說，你覺得學習歷程的占比大概多少？","quality":0.768},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:00.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:02.057000+08:00","text":"你們怎麼樣看待這一份報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"曾副校長宛如","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:04.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:19.532000+08:00","text":"報告委員，關於學習歷程，其實我個人之前有參與過，因為我是法律學院的老師，每一個系所對學習歷程的看重程度，我覺得差異非常的大，所以我沒有辦法代替每一個學院、每一個系所說他們怎麼看。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:19.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:23.315000+08:00","text":"所以你認為學習歷程對於臺大篩選學生來說有其必要性嗎？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"曾副校長宛如","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:24.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:26.366000+08:00","text":"在某些系所他們確實還滿看重的。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:26.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:47.139000+08:00","text":"某些系所，好，因為時間的關係，我其實很想請清大、交大或我們高雄大學來，因為每個學校都不太一樣，我只是要凸顯，目前來說，作為學術龍頭，你們面對AI引發的學術倫理挑戰，可能學習歷程也會有這樣的狀況，臺大有在校務會議裡面做這樣的討論嗎？","quality":0.505},{"speaker":"曾副校長宛如","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:48.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:51.863000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有，但是我們下一次校務會議會做AI的專案報告。","quality":0.64},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:52.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-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","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:43.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:55.868000+08:00","text":"以我們現在的做法，我們在雙語這邊，如果系所沒有採計英聽能力的話，我們事實上會減少補助的一些經費，也就是學校怎麼……","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:55.868000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:56.868000+08:00","text":"那也表示，我告訴你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:55.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:57.469000+08:00","text":"在看待人才培育上……","quality":1},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:57.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:08.892000+08:00","text":"是，你減少補助，光是看各系為了搶學生直接砍半，表示你的補助比不上學生入學的動機度，這就顯示出來了嘛！","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:09.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:36.827000+08:00","text":"教育部不斷強調雙語，可是每一次你都告訴我們說大學裡面開了多少全英文的課程，我說實在的，大學教授都在這邊，我們自己也當過大學教授，所有的校長都在這邊，我們就是為了符合教育部的規準，然後連一些根本不需要……甚至很多時候走過去的話老師的英文也不怎麼樣，可是他跟學生用中文溝通，英文用在教材，或是給你幾個reference是英文的，就可以算是叫做英語教學，你難道不曉得這樣子的亂象嗎？","quality":0.699},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:37.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:40.971000+08:00","text":"部長，不是每個學校都跟你中山大學一樣可以把英文推行得這麼好！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:41.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:45.032000+08:00","text":"我們在這個部分是有不定期訪視、查核。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:45.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:52.395000+08:00","text":"我是覺得學生的認知很重要、學生能夠了解的內容很重要，不要為了雙語可是你又拿不出對策，然後又拿這個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:52.395000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:53.395000+08:00","text":"……我想委員也知道……","quality":0},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:52.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:52.915000+08:00","text":"補助，然後來……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:56.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:58.938000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們再繼續加強。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:58.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:16.431000+08:00","text":"我當然知道要繼續加強，我們審預算的時候會好好地……最後2秒鐘，我只告訴你，這個亂象從過去到現在都有，不要為了獨尊雙語，但是有關於雙語所造成的，為了要拿到補助而讓我們整個教學的現場變得非常混亂，而且非常ridiculous！","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:16.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:20.213000+08:00","text":"我覺得部長，你真的不是只有訪視，這整個制度面好好地檢討，好不好？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:20.233000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:20.413000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員提醒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"柯委員志恩","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:20.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:20.614000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:21.114000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:25.971143+08:00","text":"非常感謝柯志恩委員的質詢，請官員回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:26.271143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:30.271143+08:00","text":"接下來有請林宜瑾委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}