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向委員報告其實我們現在也都在協助地方政府跟勞動部在溝通那我有跟勞動部這邊也溝通過他們目前有一些想法例如說他到時候他的語言程度要到什麼程度當然"},{"start":371.175,"end":387.073,"text":"這是要規範的嘛因為那個駕駛第一線是要直接面對民眾因為客運上他就必須要跟民眾有對話所以他的語言的要求還有對台灣的整個交通的體系的習慣性這個部分他有做出一些要求您說的這些我都同意"},{"start":387.674,"end":405.045,"text":"但是問題就是在於說因為私心荒的問題很久了也很嚴重那去年11月我們這個意見就送到勞動部其實有一點久啦當然本席也會跟這個勞動部這裡再進行溝通那您這裡我覺得可能大家也要很想再來做一個討論因為我們也很希望說可以"},{"start":405.865,"end":432.197,"text":"另外我想在這一次總諮詢的時候本席有提到關於開放雙層巴士這個總是交通部本身的業務嘛那很多的業者是說他們不排斥雙層巴士但兩個原因第一個是因為我們現在法規是四米他們希望到四米二這是第一件事第二件事情當然現在這個國產的雙層巴士其實一台要價可能就要兩千萬了那我們桃園市政府因為想要解決這個司機荒所以他也說如果"},{"start":433.277,"end":458.832,"text":"這個業者的購車補助在市區公車每一輛他可以補助五百萬那國道客運每一輛補助四百萬所以有相當的補助我想業者意願會提高針對這兩個部分法規跟補助的部分部長能不能簡單說明一下感謝委員 這個議題其實之前洪孟凱委員也相當的關心那我們也都把這個法制上開放給這個雙程巴士可以上國道那您剛剛所提的這兩個細節我是不是我請公路局長向您回答好嗎"},{"start":459.304,"end":483.85,"text":"那可能盡快好嗎?兩個課題一個是這個規格這個法規的一個調整的課題第一個部分就是說原來現行這個公告出來是這個最高到4米那現在希望說能夠再增加20分鐘那個基本上不是牽涉到技術的問題是牽涉說希望都能夠配置一兩個這個座位但是這個部分專業的部分車安中心已經有跟業者在做一個討論看看是不是有需要修正的一個必要"},{"start":484.19,"end":499.66,"text":"那第二個部分就是有關於補助的部分那這個補助的部分的話現在局裡面已經在做規劃那配合預算這個審查的一個結果的話我們會把這個金額這個明定出來那剛剛委員提的那個部分是我們努力的一個方向"},{"start":500.22,"end":518.413,"text":"好我想部長我們台北這個新北跟桃園我們一直在講說是一個生活圈但你要知道這個生活圈的連結度要能夠夠幾米靠的是什麼交通那如果說我們的交通尤其是在這國道路線上面我們沒有辦法再去開新的路線我們的班次是不夠的來自於司機荒"},{"start":519.013,"end":532.118,"text":"私心話不解決 影響的就是這一片那我們的這個生活圈其實就是含假的所以拜託 是不是請我們的部長會後能夠就本席一直在講這幾個點喔能夠做一個整體的報告出來給我 好不好那大概多久的時間兩個禮拜兩個禮拜 好 OK 謝謝我們非常感謝萬美林委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:24.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:25.058000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請陳世凱部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:25.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:25.078000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:25.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:25.118000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:25.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:25.238000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:25.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:27.480000+08:00","text":"最近有一個滿「夯」的話題，就是大家都在討論「高德地圖」，請問你本身有下載嗎？沒有。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:27.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:27.920000+08:00","text":"但是你有去看過嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:27.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:28.180000+08:00","text":"在新聞上有看過。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:48.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:48.709000+08:00","text":"新聞上有看過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:48.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:48.950000+08:00","text":"不要怕！","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:49.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:49.930000+08:00","text":"還是得去看一下！","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:50.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:34:51.831000+08:00","text":"因為你身為交通部長，要去瞭解一下。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:34:52.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:11.202000+08:00","text":"現在看起來有很多民眾不斷在討論，也都有下載使用，可是數發部、內政部跳出來說因為這是陸製的app，有資安跟國安的疑慮或者是問題，所以禁止了公部門使用，也禁止了國軍使用，當然這個我們都尊重，但是他也跳出來呼籲要民眾不要使用。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:12.362000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:35.501000+08:00","text":"我幾個問題今天在這裡請教您，部長應該有了解這個議題，你有沒有去看過為什麼現在大家在Google使用之外，第二選擇，甚至於已經把它當第一選擇，就是用這個高德地圖，你剛剛說因為你沒有下載，只是大概看了一下，那麼你了不了解為什麼大家現在對於高德地圖的接受度這麼高？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:36.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:35:54.140000+08:00","text":"我本身是使用Google的地圖，還有Apple的地圖，其實這種地圖類的還不少，可以使用的範圍其實蠻廣的，高德地圖可能有人覺得它的介面或許是比較友善，或者是它有一些功能是吸引一些有需求的人，所以他們會下載。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:35:55.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:36:00.246000+08:00","text":"對我自己本身使用的習慣，我還是習慣用Google跟Apple。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:36:00.346000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:36:27.536000+08:00","text":"本席同意，因為這種app都有使用習慣上的問題，但是新的app出來會受到歡迎，勢必有它的優勢存在，所以這就是多一種選擇，現在因為內政部跟數發部的部長都呼籲民眾不要使用，甚至於還有提到要禁掉高德地圖的打算，所以部長剛剛也說了這個是習慣、選擇，如果政府真的會禁掉高德地圖，你覺得用什麼方法，或者你認為可能民眾就完全不用了嗎？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:36:29.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:36:52.118000+08:00","text":"不好意思，委員，因為高德地圖不是交通部管轄的範圍，所以到底民眾會不會使用，或者是哪一個部會會不會禁止，這個我不曉得，但是我覺得這個議題的討論很像現在比較少，然後使用的人，我自己在一些社群上面看到有些人使用之後，感覺也沒有比之前使用其他的好用……","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:36:52.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:36:53.319000+08:00","text":"沒關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:36:53.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:26.820000+08:00","text":"剛剛部長說到高德地圖不歸交通部管，但是高德地圖跟你剛剛說的Google一樣，我們使用它的原因，其實就跟交通部有關係了，所以我們就在講它有沒有資安、國安的風險問題，我想政府部門自然會去評估，我們都尊重，但是如果今天我們要把它禁掉了，至少我們國產的地圖，我不敢說要到多好，但是至少要有一個差不多功能的app應該要趕快出來，讓民眾使用。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:27.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:40.615000+08:00","text":"所以這一次我看到卓院長在備詢的時候，也有提到我們現在也會有一個類似高德地圖的國產app出來，而且有信心會做得更好，不曉得這個部分，交通部知道嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:41.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:45.318000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，這個部分是國科會在負責，國科會目前是有這樣子的計畫準備要做。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:45.318000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:52.383000+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道，但是你不能說這個是數發部、這個是國科會，因為未來其實對交通會有幫助的，是不是？","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:52.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:58.227000+08:00","text":"就像剛剛你也說你會使用Google來查，為什麼？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:58.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:37:59.348000+08:00","text":"因為這也是一種幫助。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:37:59.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:05.012000+08:00","text":"所以我今天把這個題目提出來，其實本席完全料到你會提到這不是你的業務等等，沒有！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:05.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:05.893000+08:00","text":"這跟你有相關性。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:07.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:23.330000+08:00","text":"好，向委員報告，其實我們交通部有個TDX系統，就是全國的交通訊息都會連接到、介接到我們的TDX系統，目前我們TDX系統跟民間的app合作大概有六百個系統左右，包括Google Map也是一樣。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:23.330000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:24.330000+08:00","text":"很棒啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:23.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:30.117000+08:00","text":"未來國科會的國產地圖如果做出來，它也必然會介接到我們DTX系統。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:30.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:30.757000+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:31.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:38:34.221000+08:00","text":"它一定會用我們系統裡面的資料，這個部分交通部一定會協助。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:38:35.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:03.109000+08:00","text":"部長剛剛說的TDX系統，我有上去了解，我覺得很棒，因為涵蓋的範圍其實很廣，我們也一直努力在做當中，可是我好像又看到我們葉主委其實並不知道交通部現在也有這些資訊，所以我認為政府的部門，不管哪一個議題，其實大家應該跨部會互相合作，在一個平臺上一起來研究，不是這個議題裡面，某一項歸你，那就是你的；某一項歸我，是我的。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:03.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:23.752000+08:00","text":"不是這樣子的，尤其是如果交通部有一個這麼好的平臺，你是不是應該也要提供不管國發會或者是相關的部門，把這些資訊給他們，將來我們做自己國產地圖app的時候，我覺得還是會有些幫助的，所以我們不要置身於事外，我們積極地跟數發部、經濟部或者國發會來聯絡，然後把更好的地圖app趕快做出來，可以嗎？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:29.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:35.806000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員的提醒，這個建議非常的好，實際上我們也都已經有公開資料，而且有開放資訊給各個部會。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:35.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:39:42.815000+08:00","text":"好，部長既然你覺得本席的意見很好，就要主動，因為你公開了以後，我看還是有很多人不知道，所以加油一下。是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:39:42.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:19.988000+08:00","text":"接下來我要跟你討論的問題就是司機荒，客運駕駛司機荒已經很久了，有幾個議題，因為我們今天時間很有限，第一個，桃園市政府有提出，我們是不是可以讓僑外生，也就是多一個司機來源的選擇，開放僑外生也許也可以從事客運司機，這個部分交通部好像也認為是可行的，在跟教育部、移民署溝通之後沒有意見，送到勞動部，但是勞動部好像到現在為止，意見也沒有表述，也沒有一個結果，您知道現在勞動部的意見是什麼嗎？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:19.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:33.255000+08:00","text":"好，向委員報告，其實我們現在也都在協助地方政府跟勞動部溝通，我跟勞動部這邊也溝通過，他們目前有一些想法，例如到時候他的語言程度要到什麼程度……","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:33.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:34.996000+08:00","text":"當然，這是要有規範的嘛。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:35.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:40:48.211000+08:00","text":"對，因為駕駛第一線是要直接面對民眾，因為客運上，他就必須要跟民眾對話，所以有語言的要求，還有對臺灣整個交通體系的習慣性，這個部分，他有做出一些要求，我們目前跟勞動部正在溝通……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:40:48.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:06.604000+08:00","text":"部長，您說的這些，我都同意，但是問題在於因為司機荒的問題很久了，也很嚴重，去年11月這個意見已經送到勞動部，其實有一點久了，本席也會跟勞動部這裡再進行溝通，那您這裡，我覺得可能大家也要橫向再來做一個討論……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:06.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:08.025000+08:00","text":"這個必然，因為我們也很希望可以推動這件事。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:08.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:41:48.644000+08:00","text":"另外，我想在這一次總質詢的時候，本席有提到關於開放雙層巴士，這個總是交通部本身的業務嘛，很多業者是說不排斥雙層巴士，但有兩個原因：第一個是因為我們現在法規是四米，他們希望到四米二，這是第一件事；第二件事情，現在國產的雙層巴士其實一台要價可能就要2,000萬，我們桃園市政府因為想要解決司機荒，所以他也說業者的購車補助，在市區公車每一輛可以補助500萬，國道客運每一輛補助400萬，所以有相當的補助，我想業者的意願也會提高，針對這兩個部分，法規跟補助的部分，部長能不能簡單說明一下？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:41:48.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:01.832000+08:00","text":"感謝委員，這個議題其實之前洪孟楷委員也相當的關心，我們也都把法制上開放給雙層巴士可以上國道，您剛剛所提的這兩個細節，是不是我請公路局長向您回答好嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:02.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:05.045000+08:00","text":"可能儘快好嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:05.045000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:26.830000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，兩個課題，一個是規格，法規調整的課題，第一個部分是，現行公告出來是最高到四米，現在希望能夠再增加20公分，基本上不是牽扯到技術的問題，是牽扯希望都能夠配置到一、兩個座位，但是專業的部分，車安中心已經有跟業者在做討論，看看是不是有需要修正的必要。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:27.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:42.640000+08:00","text":"第二個是有關於補助的部分，這個補助現在局裡面已經在做規劃，配合預算的審查結果，我們會把這一個金額擬訂出來，剛剛委員提的那個部分是我們努力的方向。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:43.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:42:53.607000+08:00","text":"好，部長，臺北、新北跟桃園，我們一直在講是一個生活圈，但你要知道這個生活圈的連結度要能夠夠緊密，靠的是什麼？交通。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:42:54.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:06.335000+08:00","text":"如果我們的交通尤其是國道路線上面，沒有辦法再去開新的路線、班次是不夠的，來自於司機荒，司機荒不解決，影響就是這一片，我們的生活圈其實就是喊假的。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:06.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:13.638000+08:00","text":"所以拜託，是不是請部長會後就本席一直在講的這幾個點能夠做一個整體的報告出來給我，好不好？好的。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.558000+08:00","text":"大概多久的時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.558000+08:00","text":"應該兩個禮拜。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.578000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜？","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.738000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:14.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:15.118000+08:00","text":"我們非常感謝萬美玲委員。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:15.618000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:19.046571+08:00","text":"接下來邀請洪孟楷委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}