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砂石車要不要我覺得可以啊我覺得很好啊如果說能夠做就像之前部長你講了就像部長你問一下我們的公路局長他在通車之前四月十七號之前就找來兩百台還是多少台的砂石車上橋去"},{"start":773.385,"end":783.849,"text":"測試那個承受 承重度所以我 這個是我肯定這是我肯定沒有錯 所以說我現在講的是說如果你能夠做測證再做的壓力測試那能不能針對機車組做壓力測試因為大家現在擔心的是安全的問題嘛通安全的問題嘛好不好你們兩邊掌握一下時間好不好"},{"start":797.725,"end":814.523,"text":"後面下面做好幾個可以有部長那麼的本席現在提的是一個很安全的問題我知道 但是只要通車延後這不是通車延後你5月12號之前還有三個禮拜的時間5月12號之前還有三個禮拜的時間你本來就可以再做相關的測試啊"},{"start":816.789,"end":845.86,"text":"不是嗎這部分我是跟委員報告一下因為這個結構上面的這個載重試驗跟剛剛委員講的基本上是一個車道容量跟實際車流的這個部分那因為這個每個車道不管是汽車道或者是這個機車道他的容量的一個設計就在這個地方那這個相關實際車流量的部分的話他有時間上面的分配這些相關這個等等部分那在整個這個設計上面一定是確保這個容量"},{"start":847.641,"end":875.76,"text":"這個容量的部分都有這個規劃設計上來 蔡委我身為中央民意代表跟你一樣我相信你也沒有辦法接受那個洪委員的建議就行車安全也是很有道理我希望公主應該考量洪委員的提議好不好你們再試一下再去要跟洪委員來提更詳細的報告好不好讓國人不要有擔憂一個橋開通大家都是好事但是國人要有擔憂化解國人的擔憂不是你們說沒事就沒事"},{"start":877.981,"end":878.99,"text":"好 我們非常感謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:37.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:37.641000+08:00","text":"主席謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:37.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:43.492000+08:00","text":"我們先請工程會陳主委，還有臺鐵董事長鄭董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:43.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:45.716000+08:00","text":"請陳金德主委、請臺鐵鄭董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:45.716000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:43:51.913000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:43:51.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:44:12.892000+08:00","text":"主委，董事長，我就直接把握時間，因為臺鐵現在臺北車站商場的ROT案，算是國人看到後，討論得沸沸揚揚，其實國人都很關注，第一，看到有9家公司願意來投標，我覺得這是好事，代表這是國門的一環，大家用專業各憑本事。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:44:12.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:44:29.644000+08:00","text":"但我覺得在這一次的事件裡面，有一個狀況是招標案評審的結果提前外洩，而現在原本在經營的微風已經要打所謂的行政訴訟，可是臺鐵現在講的是，因為已經評選出來另外一家，所以就是要往前走。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:44:31.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:44:36.049000+08:00","text":"工程會等一下可以用上級主管機關的部分來做指導，但我先請教一下臺鐵的鄭董事長。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:44:37.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:44:48.182000+08:00","text":"董事長，我最關心的不是哪一家業者，那是你們要去專業評選，但兩個部分，第一，為什麼會提前外洩這個結果，有沒有內部調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T09:44:48.182000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:44:58.304667+08:00","text":"我們已經啟動了內部的調查，而且我們政風依照程序，對於相關人員已經展開調查了。","quality":0.114},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:44:58.304667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:08.427333+08:00","text":"這相對來講是內部審查的瑕疵，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:08.427333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:18.550000+08:00","text":"如果大家用公平的機制往前走，評選出來大家「照品照行」，但是現在的問題點在於內部的狀況提前外洩，而讓其中的廠商不服，請問內部調查什麼時候會有結果？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:18.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:20.631000+08:00","text":"現在認為是哪一個環節出了錯？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:22.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:37.674000+08:00","text":"對於當天參與的內外部審查委員、工作同仁，還有那時候的顧問公司所有人員，我們都要一一來調查，現在已經發出通知，我們逐步來處理。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:37.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:38.374000+08:00","text":"什麼時候會有結果？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:40.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:40.895000+08:00","text":"我們會儘快……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:41.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:41.635000+08:00","text":"最快是多快？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:42.395000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:44.798000+08:00","text":"我看最快應該是在這兩個禮拜以內。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:45.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:45.839000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:46.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:45:48.341000+08:00","text":"好，你們先進行內部調查。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:45:48.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:46:01.253000+08:00","text":"但現在另外一個部分我覺得更關鍵，原本經營者是微風，而現在是新光三越新得標，你們會依照5月簽約、7月底交接這樣的期程嗎？","quality":0.827},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:46:02.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:46:02.534000+08:00","text":"有沒有辦法順利？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T09:46:04.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:46:21.976000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們甄選的結果在28號已經公告了，所有有意見的廠商都可以按照促參法的規定在我們公告後30天內提出異議，如果我們接到異議的話，會在20天內給予答復，如果說……","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:46:28.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:46:45.073000+08:00","text":"董事長，現在我問的是微風已經提出……我必須再三強調，你上次來我辦公室的時候我也跟你提過，我樂見很多的廠商來，因為這代表大家對於經營有想法、有意願，但我沒有說哪一家廠商一定非要不可。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:46:45.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:46:57.582000+08:00","text":"現在的狀況是我要站在消費者的立場，我很擔心舊有經營的微風在打行政訴訟，他不願意離開，而新的廠商覺得自己已經得標了，他要進來。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:46:59.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:47:07.425000+08:00","text":"臺鐵站在房東的立場，你怎麼樣把舊房客請走，再讓新房客來，然後讓民眾的權益不受損？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:47:07.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:47:09.406000+08:00","text":"我覺得這才是關鍵。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T09:47:09.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:47:23.489000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們會依法來進行，也就是說，在回復的過程或者是抗議的過程裡面，我們還是會按照原來的精神去議約，我們按照促參法……","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:47:23.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:47:27.410000+08:00","text":"所以你現在還是認定評選出來的是新光就是新光，對不對？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T09:47:27.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:47:37.818000+08:00","text":"當然，我們還是按照程序去走，依照促參法裡面的調解規定，不能因為在抗議之中就停止我們的程序。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:47:38.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:47:56.632000+08:00","text":"本席只是提醒不要讓消費者的權益受損，不要因為兩個在打架……其實始做俑者還是臺鐵，如果臺鐵沒有提前公告、提前外洩的話，可能放榜的時候大家會比較心甘情願，我的看法是這樣。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:47:57.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:48:02.333000+08:00","text":"你們兩個禮拜內要給國人清楚明白的交代，同時也給交通委員會好不好？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:48:02.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:48:08.594000+08:00","text":"主委，針對這個案件，我覺得這是重大矚目事項，工程會在這邊能夠有什麼樣協助的角色？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T09:48:09.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:48:18.636000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這是促參案，並非政府採購法所管轄的範圍，促參的主管機關是財政部，並不是工程會。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:48:18.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:48:34.488000+08:00","text":"但工程會對於相關招標的部分，本席只是講在這個過程裡面，我覺得未來不管是促參或是相關招標的部分，希望你們能夠給予協助，我希望不要演變到這種程度，因為這都是公家機關。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:48:34.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:48:52.804000+08:00","text":"本席想強調的是每一次有這種重大變化的時候，不要影響到消費者的權益，其實之前我們也有看到類似的案件，像基隆市政府當時也打了一場官司，但不管怎麼樣，我覺得民眾的權益要擺在第一優先順位。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T09:48:53.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:49:02.372000+08:00","text":"好，我們願意用督導臺鐵的立場來加以了解，至於本案全權是屬於促參案，並不是政府採購。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:49:02.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:49:04.434000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，主委跟董事長先請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:49:04.914000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:49:05.315000+08:00","text":"接下來請交通部部長。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:49:05.435000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:49:05.455000+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:49:14.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:49:28.822000+08:00","text":"部長，剛剛萬美玲委員有提到，其實不管是萬美玲委員或本席，我們都非常關心雙層巴士上國道，你剛剛也提到會有補助辦法，主要是預算現在都已經在審查，我們趕快來讓它上路。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:49:29.263000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:49:45.071000+08:00","text":"另外一個部分是針對電動貨車或相關電動營業車其實也都有補助，去年在答詢的時候就已經提過願意補助，但是現在還沒有上路，請問是不是一樣比照辦理？","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:49:45.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:49:58.076000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，因為這是在去年9月核定，我們來不及在去年的時候把它編進今年的預算，我們會在今年把它編進116年的預算，所以116年會開始實施。","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:49:58.556000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:03.218000+08:00","text":"也就是說，我們今年年底會把辦法列出來，從明年開始業者就可以來申請。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:03.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:07.780000+08:00","text":"好，相關辦法一定要提前趕快預備。是。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:07.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:19.586000+08:00","text":"另外，在這個過程裡面，如果行有餘力就去盤點一下，因為電動相關的部分其實是現在政府的方向，最重要的是什麼？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:19.846000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:20.186000+08:00","text":"2050淨零碳排嘛！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:20.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:21.186000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:20.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:28.911000+08:00","text":"我們希望達到這一個目標，所以往前回推能夠早一天實施、早一年實施，對於達成這個目標應該都有顯著的效果。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:29.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:36.433000+08:00","text":"另外第二個部分是我們有看到因為中東情勢油價上漲，所以現在有推出計程車補助油費？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:36.433000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:37.793000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:37.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:50:52.616000+08:00","text":"當然計程車是用油營業的大宗，但另外遊覽車、貨運也是商用的部分，我不知道你有沒有看到新聞，但是已經有很多業者馬上跳出來說他們也確實受到這一波中東情勢的影響而產生更多的成本。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:50:55.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:51:04.705000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們第一波協助的是針對公共運輸的部分，我們希望公共運輸不要影響到一般民生大家在使用的票價。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:51:05.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:51:08.247000+08:00","text":"至於貨運的部分，他們應該也會提出這樣的想法，不過目前為止……","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:51:08.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:51:09.288000+08:00","text":"包括貨運或是遊覽車，遊覽車也算是公眾運輸嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:51:09.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:51:24.223000+08:00","text":"對，這個部分其實跟海運是一樣的，而海運跟空運是一樣的，他們的成本有增加，他們貨運的費用其實也就提高，但目前我們只有針對民生公共運輸的部分來處理。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:51:24.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:51:32.949000+08:00","text":"第二個部分委員已經在關心，我們也會來討論看看，因為對政府來講，我們的預算不一定有這麼多的餘裕，這是第一點。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:51:32.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:51:41.631000+08:00","text":"第二點，在商業的行為上面，或許它吸收的程度在彈性上會比較高一點，不過因為委員在提醒，那我們就來討論一下。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:51:42.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:51:56.434000+08:00","text":"從過去到現在，本席一直強調的是政府一定要整體思維，就是要看中東情勢，因為中東戰事到底會延長多久不確定，當然我們自己也要有一個臨界點，但更重要的是，我們也要看到百工百業的需求。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:51:57.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:05.056000+08:00","text":"交通部身為主管機關，當然我就在這邊提出來，請交通部長一併交代研議，請問什麼時候可以給相關的報告？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:05.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:07.737000+08:00","text":"我們來討論一下，應該是兩個禮拜左右的時間。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:07.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:07.737000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:08.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:08.057000+08:00","text":"好，最後……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:08.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:10.318000+08:00","text":"不過這也要看行政院的政策，我們也會跟行政院討論。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:10.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:11.358000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:11.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:21.761000+08:00","text":"最後我們來看一下簡報，這是淡江大橋，陳世凱部長上上禮拜也前來淡江大橋。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:21.761000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:23.321000+08:00","text":"是，我上個禮拜也有去。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:23.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:25.722000+08:00","text":"昨天是不是有開放？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:25.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:35.825000+08:00","text":"因為這是4月28號的新聞，我想有可能是開放讓記者上橋去看，所以壹蘋新聞網也寫出一則新聞，其實這和本席在現場的觀察是一致的。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:37.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:39.646000+08:00","text":"為什麼現在大家會覺得機車道被罵翻？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:40.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:52:54.960000+08:00","text":"主要是因為它的吊索，不管是阻尼器也好或是吊索也好，都是往內縮，尤其當摩托車騎士騎到相對比較遠的時候，內縮的狀況嚴重壓縮到機車道。","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:52:55.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:53:21.909000+08:00","text":"我們看上一張圖片更明顯，你看右手邊這邊就是機車道，可是我們剛剛看到內縮的鋼索就是斜上來到淡江大橋的主橋墩，也因此摩托車騎士在這邊會一直看到這些大型的阻尼器，導致他的視線受阻。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:53:25.851000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:01.019000+08:00","text":"部長，我先講兩個部分：第一，你已經設了機車道，公路局一直跟我們講因為這是台61快速道路，原本沒有機車道、不能上機車，而你們為了機車族的便利，所以增設機車道，但是對於廣大的機車族朋友來講，其實從過去到現在一直主張的是機車不應該是慢車，它應該是一般的車輛，所以不應該存有機車專用道，可是淡江大橋……我要講的是因為現在已經配置完畢了，看要你們改或說要你們取消，5月12日通車之前不可能，是不是？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:02.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:04.679000+08:00","text":"委員，還是您覺得……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:05.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:06.540000+08:00","text":"5月12日通車之前會不會改？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:07.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:10.222000+08:00","text":"我只問這件事情，因為你是主管機關，你要負責。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:10.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:13.603000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，這個不太可能，因為第一，我們是符合法規在做；第二……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:14.024000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:20.086000+08:00","text":"如果不能改的話，那本席再丟另外一個想法您聽聽看，有沒有壓力測試？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:20.086000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:21.227000+08:00","text":"就是說是不是能夠讓……","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:21.227000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:25.529000+08:00","text":"洪委員，麻煩一下……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:25.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:37.938000+08:00","text":"因為5月12號就要通車，不要說通車之後一次有200台、300台、500台、1,000台機車上去，結果造成一些狀況，所以本席才講是不是用壓力測試的方式，也許可以事先……","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:37.938000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:54:38.938000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們之前就已經做過模擬……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:54:38.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:07.327000+08:00","text":"我知道你們已經模擬過救援的狀況，但現在本席講的是，假設上下班通勤時間我們請200台機車來騎乘一次看看，瞭解機車族的感受，藉此針對使用者經驗去做檢討或回饋，不要通車完畢之後、還是發生事情之後才……大家都不希望發生事情，但本席希望要有壓力測試，可以做到嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:07.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:15.053000+08:00","text":"我們來討論看看，但是其實我們事先在做設計的過程都有做過模擬，車流量我們都做過模擬。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:15.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:17.915000+08:00","text":"已經模擬完，但現在就是現行的狀況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:19.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:24.060000+08:00","text":"部長，你現在也承認你的意思是我們做完之後還沒有做過壓力測試？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:24.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:25.401000+08:00","text":"委員，您所提到的問題……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:25.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:29.985000+08:00","text":"還沒有讓摩托車族……我沒有講說一定要找哪個特定的摩托車族……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:29.985000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:31.166000+08:00","text":"是不是人行道也要模擬？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:31.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:32.207000+08:00","text":"是不是也要壓力測試？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:32.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:33.948000+08:00","text":"可以，人行道的部分……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:33.948000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:34.948000+08:00","text":"汽車道是不是也要壓力測試？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:34.948000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:35.948000+08:00","text":"我們目前只有做整個承載的壓力測試。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:34.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:52.819000+08:00","text":"我甚至講人行道的部分可以……這是另外一個小議題，有民眾提到在人行道上面可以參考日本或美國在大橋上面設置小涼椅，讓民眾坐在那邊看夕陽，我覺得這很不錯，你可以思考，但這不是我們今天討論的重點。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:52.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:58.564000+08:00","text":"我現在還是回過頭說不要有交通危險的狀況……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:58.564000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:55:59.564000+08:00","text":"安全我們一定會顧好，請委員放心。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:55:58.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:02.407000+08:00","text":"所以我才講說是不是能夠提出壓力測試。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:02.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:04.668000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們來評估看看，好不好？部長……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:09.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:09.867000+08:00","text":"那汽車要不要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:10.128000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:10.988000+08:00","text":"砂石車要不要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:10.988000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:11.988000+08:00","text":"大客車要不要？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:11.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:16.313000+08:00","text":"我覺得可以，我覺得很好，如果能夠做，因為就像之前部長您講了……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:16.313000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:18.135000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，如果您今天提出這樣的建議，委員您今天提出這樣的建議……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:18.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:30.806000+08:00","text":"部長，你問一下公路局局長，他在通車之前、4月17日之前就找來200臺、還是多少臺的砂石車，上橋去測試承重度……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:30.806000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:32.406000+08:00","text":"載重試驗我們會做，載重試驗我們本來就有做。","quality":0.053},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:32.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:35.607000+08:00","text":"這個我肯定，沒有錯，所以我現在講的是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:35.607000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:36.607000+08:00","text":"我們在討論的是容量，如果每種車型現在您所討論的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:36.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:37.288000+08:00","text":"如果你能夠做載重的壓力測試，能不能針對機車族做壓力測試？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:37.288000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:38.288000+08:00","text":"現在您討論的就是如果要全面做壓力測試，通車可能會延後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:38.288000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:39.288000+08:00","text":"你們兩位不要在這邊辯論了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:37.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:39.088000+08:00","text":"因為大家現在擔心的是安全的問題，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:39.088000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:40.088000+08:00","text":"委員希望通車延後……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:39.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:39.829000+08:00","text":"你們兩邊掌握一下時間，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:53.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:54.626000+08:00","text":"下面坐了好幾個委員。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:54.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:56:58.650000+08:00","text":"可以有部長那麼地……本席現在提的是一個很安全的問題……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:56:58.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:57:00.232000+08:00","text":"我知道，但是這樣通車會延後。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:00.232000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:57:01.634000+08:00","text":"你們私底下再去跟洪委員討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:01.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:57:13.029000+08:00","text":"這不是通車延後，5月12日之前還有3個禮拜的時間，你本來就可以再做相關的測試，不是嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林司長福山","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:13.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:57:46.943000+08:00","text":"就這部分跟委員報告一下，關於結構上面的載重試驗，以及剛剛委員講的車道容量跟實際車流的部分，因為每個車道不管是汽車道或者是機車道，它的容量設計就在這個地方，相關實際車流量有時間上面的分配等等相關部分，在整個設計上面一定是確保容量的部分都有規劃設計上來防止……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:47.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:57:50.866000+08:00","text":"召委，我身為中央民意代表，跟你一樣，我相信你也沒有辦法接受。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:50.866000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:57:51.916500+08:00","text":"好，我們再討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:51.916500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:57:52.967000+08:00","text":"好，我們再討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:52.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:57:59.071000+08:00","text":"部長，洪委員的建議就行車安全來講也是很有道理，我希望公路局應該考量洪委員的提議，好不好？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:59.071000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:00.071000+08:00","text":"好，我們再討論，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:57:59.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:04.035000+08:00","text":"你們私底下要跟洪委員提更詳細的報告，好不好？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:04.035000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:05.035000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:04.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:05.936000+08:00","text":"讓國人不要有擔憂。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:05.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:11.740000+08:00","text":"一個橋開通，對大家來說都是好事，但是國人現在有擔憂，化解國人的擔憂不是你們說沒事就沒事。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:14.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:14.990000+08:00","text":"我們非常感謝洪孟楷委員。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T09:58:15.490000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T09:58:19.490000+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請李昆澤委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}