{"error":false,"id":["169009"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":169009,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169009","日期":"2026-04-30","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-23-10","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":10,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[23],"委員會代碼:str":["交通委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-04-30T10:11:49+08:00","結束時間":"2026-04-30T10:21:44+08:00","影片長度":"00:09:55","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8e94911b70f10c4ef3b3448b35e215f93f5baa084d0648def01ee19b822c4e652d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"林俊憲","委員發言時間":"10:11:49 - 10:21:44","會議時間":"2026-04-30T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院公共工程委員會單位預算。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部單位預算。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部中央氣象署單位預算。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部運輸研究所單位預算。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部公路局及所屬單位預算。七、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部航港局單位預算。八、審查115年度中央政府總預算案直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款-交通部主管第1目交通部、第2目公路局及所屬、第3目航港局及第4目觀光署及所屬。九、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管臺灣港務股份有限公司營業預算。十、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─國道公路建設管理基金分預算。十一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算。十二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管航港建設基金非營業預算。十三、處理114年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計48案。【開會事由一至十二僅進行詢答；交通部（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第1目）預算提案截止收件時間：5月6日下午2時；行政院公共工程委員會、中央氣象署、觀光署及所屬（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第4目）、運輸研究所預算提案截止收件時間：5月19日下午2時；公路局及所屬（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第2目）、航港局（含一般性補助款-交通部主管第3目）預算提案截止收件時間：5月21日下午2時】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":0.03096875,"end":0.33471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":0.92534375,"end":3.0178437500000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":3.27096875,"end":4.1822187500000005,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":3.7097187500000004,"end":5.85284375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":5.90346875,"end":7.03409375,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":12.04596875,"end":13.649093750000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":14.594093750000003,"end":16.04534375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":16.21409375,"end":17.51346875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":17.817218750000002,"end":17.918468750000002,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":17.918468750000002,"end":23.28471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":23.774093750000002,"end":25.22534375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":25.69784375,"end":31.28346875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":32.009093750000005,"end":43.315343750000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":43.517843750000004,"end":45.25596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":45.39096875,"end":45.74534375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":46.21784375,"end":48.73221875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":49.002218750000004,"end":51.80346875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":52.10721875,"end":54.43596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":55.38096875,"end":57.03471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":57.40596875000001,"end":59.26221875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":59.751593750000005,"end":60.66284375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":60.98346875,"end":61.89471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":62.924093750000004,"end":64.40909375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":64.99971875,"end":69.31971875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":70.11284375000001,"end":72.13784375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":72.72846875,"end":73.33596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":74.50034375,"end":77.18346875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":78.04409375,"end":78.95534375000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":79.81596875000001,"end":81.60471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":82.14471875000001,"end":82.71846875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":83.64659375000001,"end":84.79409375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":85.55346875000001,"end":85.89096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":86.07659375,"end":86.61659375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":86.73471875,"end":89.51909375000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":90.29534375,"end":92.47221875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":93.19784375,"end":94.96971875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":96.10034375000001,"end":96.80909375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":97.28159375,"end":99.62721875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":99.99846875,"end":101.19659375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":102.09096875,"end":103.60971875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":104.03159375000001,"end":106.56284375000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":107.38971875,"end":108.58784375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":108.84096875,"end":111.01784375000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":111.57471875,"end":112.62096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":112.89096875000001,"end":115.65846875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":116.11409375000001,"end":116.48534375000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":116.68784375000001,"end":118.66221875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":119.06721875000001,"end":120.50159375000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":121.41284375000001,"end":122.27346875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":123.35346875,"end":124.29846875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":124.53471875000001,"end":125.69909375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":126.45846875000001,"end":126.99846875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":127.96034375,"end":128.55096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":128.85471875000002,"end":130.35659375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":131.08221875,"end":131.89221875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":132.04409375,"end":132.60096875000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":133.25909375,"end":134.64284375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":135.55409375000002,"end":137.15721875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":137.47784375,"end":138.18659375000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":138.97971875000002,"end":141.44346875000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":142.62471875,"end":143.80596875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":143.29971875,"end":144.53159375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":144.71721875,"end":146.45534375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":147.02909375000002,"end":148.15971875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":149.23971875,"end":149.40846875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":151.16346875000002,"end":152.26034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":152.63159375,"end":154.16721875000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":155.24721875,"end":156.58034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":157.30596875,"end":160.79909375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":161.32221875000002,"end":163.06034375000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":164.17409375,"end":166.06409375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":166.35096875000002,"end":167.49846875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":168.17346875,"end":168.62909375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":169.25346875000002,"end":170.08034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":171.37971875000002,"end":188.32221875000002,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":188.32221875000002,"end":189.28409375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":189.28409375,"end":194.81909375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":195.13971875000001,"end":221.17784375000002,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":219.50721875000002,"end":220.75596875000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":221.17784375000002,"end":221.54909375000003,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":221.63346875000002,"end":222.08909375000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":222.17346875,"end":223.99596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":224.60346875000002,"end":224.70471875,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":224.70471875,"end":224.72159375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":224.72159375,"end":224.83971875,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":224.75534375,"end":227.65784375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":228.46784375000001,"end":229.61534375000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":230.13846875000002,"end":231.06659375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":231.80909375000002,"end":233.26034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":233.51346875000002,"end":234.79596875000001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":235.63971875000001,"end":238.67721875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":239.18346875,"end":239.52096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":239.99346875,"end":242.50784375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":243.25034375,"end":244.44846875000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":246.23721875,"end":248.48159375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":248.80221875,"end":250.03409375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":250.72596875000002,"end":253.51034375,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":252.31221875000003,"end":252.78471875000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":252.85221875000002,"end":252.91971875000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":253.05471875,"end":254.96159375000002,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":255.40034375000002,"end":257.37471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":255.53534375,"end":255.83909375000002,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":256.88534375,"end":256.93596875000003,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":256.95284375,"end":257.07096875,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":257.99909375000004,"end":282.29909375,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":282.29909375,"end":285.69096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":285.69096875,"end":288.88034375,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":286.50096875,"end":286.58534375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":287.41221875,"end":288.89721875000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":288.89721875000004,"end":289.23471875,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":289.23471875,"end":294.21284375000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":294.60096875,"end":296.11971875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":296.38971875000004,"end":298.66784375000003,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":299.29221875,"end":300.03471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":300.43971875,"end":301.89096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":302.66721875,"end":303.29159375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":304.20284375,"end":309.02909375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":309.41721875,"end":310.05846875000003,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":310.54784375,"end":312.64034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":313.06221875,"end":318.37784375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":318.91784375000003,"end":320.63909375000003,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":321.39846875,"end":322.83284375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":323.89596875,"end":328.35096875000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":328.89096875,"end":332.46846875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":332.82284375,"end":334.15596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":334.51034375,"end":335.79284375000003,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":336.87284375,"end":338.93159375000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":339.18471875,"end":339.42096875000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":339.82596875,"end":341.12534375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":342.76221875000005,"end":344.38221875000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":345.41159375,"end":346.54221875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":348.09471875,"end":348.49971875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":348.61784375,"end":348.82034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":349.29284375000003,"end":349.95096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":350.33909375,"end":351.19971875000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":352.56659375000004,"end":354.94596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":356.73471875,"end":358.00034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":358.00034375,"end":358.03409375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":359.55284375,"end":359.97471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":359.97471875,"end":360.12659375000004,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":360.34596875,"end":361.00409375000004,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":361.71284375000005,"end":361.72971875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":361.72971875,"end":376.07346875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":374.58846875,"end":375.44909375000003,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":375.88784375,"end":382.92471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":380.84909375,"end":380.86596875000004,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":380.88284375,"end":380.96721875000003,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":383.71784375000004,"end":387.43034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":387.68346875000003,"end":388.69596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":388.84784375000004,"end":389.37096875000003,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":389.99534375,"end":392.15534375000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":390.45096875,"end":390.75471875000005,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":392.17221875,"end":393.64034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":392.49284375,"end":393.37034375,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":393.64034375,"end":393.80909375000005,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":393.96096875,"end":402.17909375000005,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":399.36096875000004,"end":399.96846875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":401.72346875000005,"end":407.19096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":408.10221875,"end":409.33409375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":409.33409375,"end":409.35096875000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":410.58284375000005,"end":410.97096875000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":410.97096875000005,"end":411.03846875000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":411.03846875000005,"end":411.17346875000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":411.17346875000004,"end":411.76409375000003,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":411.88221875000005,"end":412.87784375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":413.35034375000004,"end":420.04971875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":419.02034375000005,"end":420.06659375000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":420.06659375000004,"end":420.13409375000003,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":420.13409375000003,"end":421.90596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":420.15096875,"end":420.37034375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":421.01159375000003,"end":421.88909375000003,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":421.90596875,"end":422.17596875000004,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":422.47971875,"end":423.44159375000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":423.67784375,"end":424.47096875000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":425.29784375,"end":426.63096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":426.96846875,"end":428.35221875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":428.62221875,"end":430.02284375000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":430.78221875,"end":435.57471875000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":435.99659375000005,"end":437.14409375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":437.41409375,"end":438.46034375000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":439.15221875000003,"end":440.82284375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":441.34596875000005,"end":441.81846875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":442.22346875000005,"end":443.84346875000006,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":444.80534375,"end":445.91909375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":446.64471875000004,"end":447.77534375000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":448.11284375,"end":448.72034375000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":449.15909375,"end":451.20096875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":451.20096875,"end":451.55534375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":451.55534375,"end":451.97721875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":451.97721875,"end":461.30909375000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":461.73096875000005,"end":465.47721875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":464.34659375,"end":465.96659375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":465.96659375,"end":466.03409375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":466.03409375,"end":472.34534375000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":473.35784375000003,"end":474.64034375000006,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":473.57721875000004,"end":474.57284375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":474.64034375000006,"end":474.97784375000003,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":474.97784375000003,"end":481.49159375000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":475.26471875000004,"end":475.58534375000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":477.01971875000004,"end":477.30659375000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":477.89721875000004,"end":478.50471875000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":478.69034375,"end":480.31034375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":481.79534375000003,"end":483.70221875000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":484.34346875000006,"end":485.47409375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":486.13221875000005,"end":487.19534375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":488.59596875000005,"end":489.72659375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":490.53659375,"end":492.10596875000005,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":492.83159375,"end":494.28284375000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":494.67096875000004,"end":497.70846875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":495.51471875000004,"end":495.76784375000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":495.88596875,"end":504.64409375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":504.39096875,"end":505.23471875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":505.60596875000005,"end":507.32721875000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":508.30596875000003,"end":511.32659375000003,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":511.32659375000003,"end":511.96784375000004,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":511.96784375000004,"end":512.03534375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":512.03534375,"end":512.96346875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":512.96346875,"end":513.03096875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":513.03096875,"end":513.40221875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":514.26284375,"end":514.4653437500001,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":514.81971875,"end":517.38471875,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":516.8615937500001,"end":521.9578437499999,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":517.4522187499999,"end":517.48596875,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":517.67159375,"end":518.1103437500001,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":522.9197187500001,"end":527.08784375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":527.08784375,"end":535.35659375,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":531.7622187500001,"end":535.66034375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":535.66034375,"end":535.7109687500001,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":536.2678437500001,"end":539.87909375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林局長福山","start":539.87909375,"end":540.4865937500001,"speaker_score":0.953},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":540.43596875,"end":541.98846875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":542.39346875,"end":543.20346875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":544.36784375,"end":545.8528437500001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":546.59534375,"end":547.8272187499999,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":547.5234687500001,"end":550.3247187500001,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":551.1853437500001,"end":555.8259687500001,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":554.0034687500001,"end":556.90596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":558.2222187500001,"end":560.3147187500001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":561.12471875,"end":561.91784375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":562.08659375,"end":563.75721875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":564.16221875,"end":565.2084687500001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":565.8328437499999,"end":566.2378437500001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":567.4697187500001,"end":569.07284375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":569.93346875,"end":572.31284375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":572.31284375,"end":582.77534375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":582.77534375,"end":585.2390937499999,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":585.2390937499999,"end":585.42471875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":585.42471875,"end":586.70721875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":587.38221875,"end":587.39909375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":587.39909375,"end":587.41596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":587.41596875,"end":587.68596875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":587.68596875,"end":587.7197187500001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":587.7197187500001,"end":587.82096875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":587.82096875,"end":587.95596875,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":587.95596875,"end":587.97284375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":587.97284375,"end":588.78284375,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":588.78284375,"end":588.81659375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":588.81659375,"end":588.8503437500001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":588.8503437500001,"end":590.45346875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":588.93471875,"end":590.1497187500001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"林委員俊憲","start":592.02284375,"end":595.0265937500001,"speaker_score":0.801},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"陳部長世凱","start":593.59221875,"end":594.58784375,"speaker_score":0.967}],"whisperx":[{"start":0.949,"end":7.012,"text":"本期邀請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長還有公路局林富山局長請林局長國賢好部長好"},{"start":14.639,"end":31.093,"text":"市長我看今天的各項報告裡面我們公路局有提到一點就是強化道路交通安全打造一個駕駛安全的環境他其中都有特別提到為了減少道路挖掘造成用路人不便"},{"start":32.094,"end":54.207,"text":"所以有特別針對管線的挖掘要推動縮時減量還有提高強度管理以及提升路面整平及道路服務品質部長有一件事情我最近接到一個陳情案我才知道原來我們所謂的管線挖掘它整個作業是這樣子"},{"start":55.407,"end":84.529,"text":"那我去了解一下法律的規定我們在公路法第三十條之一第五款他有特別提到如果管線開挖會開挖管線的使用單位大概就是油電水電信他們通常都是承包給包商嘛那公路法其實法律規定是這樣子第一個你要交一筆錢公路挖掘挖補費用給公路局或者第二個"},{"start":85.598,"end":105.915,"text":"由這種施工的單位 就管線的機關那麼你要把我完全的修復而且由公路局來監督所以實際上在挖的之前 他要申請許可那麼挖路的單位 他就會提出一個叫做工程計畫"},{"start":107.438,"end":134.406,"text":"就是說我歐料 管溝鋪面 AC啦 厚度怎麼修人行道呢 都要修道路平整 以及道路標線反正所有你都給人家恢復啦 普通的才有意思嘛你來給我歐錄 你來給我錄修就好但是我們 現在喔 再多修一條線啦 叫做公路的挖浦費啦"},{"start":135.592,"end":162.082,"text":"法律規定是二折一啦那請問部長那你為什麼兩筆都收施工單位要把道路給恢復還要再交一筆錢包商跟我陳情啦他要交1500多萬他說我幫你做好了我按照你的要求做好也讓你們公路局來驗收"},{"start":164.266,"end":169.848,"text":"若是我幫你修補回來 你為什麼要給我收一筆錢部長 你覺得這樣合理嗎"},{"start":171.671,"end":194.654,"text":"報告委員如果是他已經修復啦因為我們原本的概念是代收代付就是說我收了你的錢我來負責把它補好那現在如果是廠商已經把它做好的話他其實是有個歷史嚴格為什麼會演變成這樣我是不是請局長來補充好不好歷史嚴格依法規定還有什麼歷史嚴格從過去變到現在我請局長來跟您補充"},{"start":196.126,"end":223.508,"text":"這跟我跟委員報告確實在這個就是說在生死條之一第五項的部分大概有兩種一個部分的話基本上就是由這個大陸主管機關來做代辦那另外一個部分的話就是管縣挖掘單位自行來做這個修復那我跟委員報告一下就是說就這個收繳挖捕費這個部分在七十幾年在生物時代的時候基本上是用收織並列的方式來處理你要告訴我生物時代兩行兼一行啦"},{"start":224.799,"end":249.614,"text":"你挖施工單位路如果補平了那你驗收通過就恢復原狀了嘛你憑什麼再給人家收道路挖補費啊你如果要修道路挖補費也沒關係啦那你工種你自己去施工做就好嘛你不能兩個都要法律規定也這樣子來你拿法律給法律條我們看一下"},{"start":252.203,"end":256.907,"text":"公路法第30條之一的第五項二則一來 部長你看一下"},{"start":258.038,"end":284.716,"text":"根本報告公路法規定的部分是確實陳委員所提到的部分就是公路局來做處理或者是這一個管線挖掘單位他們來做一個這個處理那我根本要就是說進一步說明的部分的話就是一個挖掘的這個動作大概有分兩階段第一個部分是交尾開始挖 挖完之後那這個要立即這個讓這個道路可以所以會你回答我的問題你也給我 你也給我後備說 說下去"},{"start":286.797,"end":288.118,"text":"現在的發生的實際狀況多年來我現在才發現第一個"},{"start":304.246,"end":322.357,"text":"你挖入要申請許可這是一筆錢行政備用你審查那第二個歐盧的人當然要把那個留守得好但是這兩個風險嘛他要給我們恢復原狀要嘛他錢給我們我們來做嘛你現在都是兩個都要嘛好那現在產生一個問題"},{"start":324.099,"end":340.97,"text":"現在大部分的施工單位他會順便幫你鋪平因為你要求他 你要鋪平你交通部也公務局也不要自己做你都叫人家幫你做就好但是你要多收一筆錢部長五年來我統計過啦你超收四十億啦問題是這四十個隊隊預算書看不到啊你用這套集他變成你"},{"start":352.608,"end":354.396,"text":"公路局各地方分局的小金庫嗎"},{"start":359.748,"end":381.939,"text":"部長 你知道嗎報告委員 這個部分因為有時候廠商他在挖啦他只會挖一個車道或者是局部他只會補那個局部但是對公路局來講 他必須要整個改善所以這個預算他其實是拿來做整個後續的改善我跟你講 如果他沒有恢復原狀你公路局不會放過他啦對 但是就會變成一塊那你不可以再讓他收這條錢啦"},{"start":383.763,"end":409.14,"text":"好 那我問你 如果你收了這筆錢 就是用在原地 你們部長講的 你有嗎你敢保證嗎 不要胡說八道 我跟你說我跟委員報告就是說 這筆錢收進來之後 它的用途一定是用在鋪面養護上面哪一條路叫你講是 你給我收這條錢 我給你歐價 你收我的錢 那我就是負責把這個地方弄好嘛"},{"start":410.643,"end":429.822,"text":"這東西收起後 流向何處沒有人可以查了委員在講的這個我們會要求就是說公務端那邊要更精細的一定要用在那個地方 不能更精細不然你就修法我兩個都要你現在法律規定部長 你是部長耶依法行政耶"},{"start":430.854,"end":445.74,"text":"我們公路法三十一條 三十條之一 第五項很清楚的 歐羅的單位就是兩個做法要嘛道路恢復 要嘛錢給公路局 公路局自己做現在是兩個都要"},{"start":446.984,"end":471.964,"text":"造成啦,你會把人家...路已經造好了,那麼你修了這件事,流向就不明啦好,鄉委員報告,我們會把暫時性修復跟永久性的修復分清楚啦好,如果他是做永久性的修復,那我們就不要再收錢他如果是做永久性的修復,做到那個程度,我們...他也跟你亂講,公務總要跟他亂講,如果他不是做永久性修復,生意這條錢,那你不能給我弄到別的地方,教育局說是這樣嘛"},{"start":473.41,"end":489.463,"text":"你就不能留用啊所以我就說就不需要精準說在做這一段那以後這條路要重做了是國家要編預算嘛你倒樓本來就有修復的費用嘛公總一年"},{"start":491.078,"end":512.777,"text":"拿幾百的你收你爐你以後這套路如果頂著你本來就被他挖完之後即便是有鋪回來我們的這個維修的頻率會跟原本的規劃的頻率會不一樣一定會增加你又在後面說那你那筆錢有用在原地嗎所以未來要更精準的用在原地才有道理那是二折一還是兩個都要"},{"start":516.902,"end":534.95,"text":"那你拿得出來你手裡這個錢的流線嗎每筆預算跑到 每筆錢跑到 朝夕什麼時候才能拿出來嗎我跟委員報告這個錢絕對不會不會變成這個公務局的這個小信託我跟你講啦 這是要拿去應對就不關我們的事照理說你政府黨委員會的錢都要接受監督耶你五年收了四十億 這錢拿去"},{"start":544.431,"end":568.71,"text":"我告訴你 局長你自己也不知道啦你都在各分局嘛你不要再變啦報告委員您在說的這個我們趕快來檢討我再跟你查下去就很難看啦你以後就是嫁到柳州就好要不然就是嫁到高雄市我們來做兩岸供一趟嘛又要人家收入 又要給人家收錢"},{"start":569.983,"end":589.401,"text":"法律規定就是二折一我們就依法來執行好不好你講的這個我覺得是蠻有道理我們會朝就是說如果他執行修復而且是用永久性的修復就不要再收錢就二折一啦沒有什麼永久性就不永久性修復修復就修復啦我們會朝這個方向好不好 部長我跟你點到為止好不好好 謝謝部長 謝謝局長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:11:49+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:11:50+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:11:49.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:11:55.272000+08:00","text":"本席邀請交通部陳部長，還有公路局林福山局長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T10:11:55.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:11:55.672000+08:00","text":"請陳部長、林局長。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:11:55.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:11:55.672000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:11:55.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:11:55.992000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:12:03.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:12:13.988000+08:00","text":"部長，我看今天的各項報告裡面，公路局有提到一點，就是強化道路交通安全，打造一個駕駛安全的環境。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:12:14.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:12:33.001000+08:00","text":"其中有特別提到，為了減少道路挖掘造成用路人不便，特別針對管線挖掘，推動縮時、減量，還有提高強度管理，以及提升路面平整及道路服務品質。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:12:33.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:12:43.187000+08:00","text":"部長有一件事情，我最近接到一個陳情案才知道，原來所謂的管線挖掘，整個作業是這樣子。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:12:44.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:13:02.161000+08:00","text":"我去了解一下法律的規定，公路法第三十條之一第五項特別提到，如果管線開挖……會開挖管線的使用單位，大概就是油、電、水、電信，他們通常都是承包給包商嘛！","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:13:03.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:13:23.706000+08:00","text":"公路法……其實法律規定是這樣子，第一個，你要交一筆錢，公路挖補費用給公路局，或者第二個，由施工的單位，就是管線的機關要完全地修復，而且由公路局來監督。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:13:25.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:13:49.422000+08:00","text":"所以實際上，在挖之前要申請許可，挖路的單位會提出一個工程計畫，就是挖完後管溝鋪面AC厚度怎麼修、人行道如果撞到要怎麼修、道路平整以及道路標線等等，反正所有的部分都要恢復啦！","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:13:49.422000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:13:52.453000+08:00","text":"部長，你聽得懂意思嗎？","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:13:52.453000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:13:55.484000+08:00","text":"如果來挖路就要負責把路修好！","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:13:55.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:14:05.952000+08:00","text":"但是現在又再多收一筆錢，叫做公路的挖捕費，法律規定是二擇一啦！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:14:06.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:14:10.154000+08:00","text":"請問部長，你為什麼兩筆都收？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:14:10.154000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:14:12.475000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，因為……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:14:12.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:14:37.363000+08:00","text":"施工單位要把道路恢復，還要再交一筆錢，包商跟我陳情他要繳一千五百多萬，他說我按照你的要求幫你做好了，也讓公路局來驗收，路是我幫你修補回來，為什麼還要收我一筆錢？","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:14:37.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:14:38.848000+08:00","text":"部長，你覺得這樣合理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:14:40.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:14:48.979000+08:00","text":"報告委員，如果是他已經修復，因為我們原本的概念是代收代付，就是我收了你的錢，我來負責把它補好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:14:50.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:14:56.967000+08:00","text":"現在如果是廠商已經把它做好的話……它其實是有歷史沿革，為什麼會演變成這樣，是不是請局長來補充，好不好？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:14:57.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:14:57.648000+08:00","text":"歷史沿革？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:14:58.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:15:00.290000+08:00","text":"依法規定，還有什麼歷史沿革？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:15:01.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:15:03.634000+08:00","text":"沒有，從過去變到現在，我請局長跟您補充。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T10:15:05.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:15:18.337000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實在第三十條之一第五項的部分大概有兩種，一個部分，基本上就是由道路主管機關來做代辦；另外一個部分，就是管線挖掘單位自行做修復。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T10:15:18.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:15:28.445000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下，收繳挖補費這個部分，七十幾年在省府時代的時候，基本上是用收支併列的方式來處理。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:15:28.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:15:32.488000+08:00","text":"你不要跟我說到省府時代，兩項選一項啦！","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:15:34.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:15:44.686000+08:00","text":"如果施工單位把路補平了，驗收通過就恢復原狀了，你憑什麼再給人家收道路挖補費？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:15:44.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:15:51.430000+08:00","text":"你如果要收道路挖補費也沒關係，公總你自己去施工做好嘛！","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:15:52.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:15:58.594000+08:00","text":"你不能兩個都要，法律規定也是這樣子，你拿法律條文，我們看一下。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:16:01.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:16:05.887000+08:00","text":"公路法第三十條之一第五項，二擇一啦，部長，你看一下。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T10:16:07.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:16:17.045000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，公路法的規定確實誠如委員所提到的部分，就是公路局來做處理或者是管線挖掘單位來做處理。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T10:16:17.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:16:30.694000+08:00","text":"我要跟委員進一步說明的是，挖掘這個動作大概有分兩階段，第一個部分是交維開始挖，挖完之後，要立即讓道路可以……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:16:31.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:16:32.515000+08:00","text":"你回答我的問題，你不要給我亂講，講到那邊去。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T10:16:32.515000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:16:35.797000+08:00","text":"沒有，我是要跟委員報告，我們會有一個暫時性的修復。","quality":0.045},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:16:35.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:16:37.078000+08:00","text":"簡單講，部長，現在發生的實際狀況，多年來我現在才發現，我當民意代表這麼久，我才發覺原來公總好像土匪！","quality":0.409},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:16:37.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:17:09.335000+08:00","text":"第一個，挖路要申請許可，這是一筆錢，行政費用，你要審查；第二個，挖路的人當然要把路修好，但就兩個方式，要嘛它恢復原狀，要嘛它把錢給你們，你們來做，但你現在是兩個都要。","quality":0.761},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:17:10.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:17:24.467000+08:00","text":"現在產生一個問題，大部分的施工單位會順便幫忙鋪平，因為你要求它要鋪平，你交通部公路局也不要自己做，你都叫人家幫你做好，但是你又多收一筆錢。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:17:24.467000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:17:27.128000+08:00","text":"部長，5年來我統計過了，你超收40億，問題是這40億拿去哪裡？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:17:27.248000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:17:43.396000+08:00","text":"預算書看不到，這筆錢就變成你公路局各地方分局的小金庫？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:17:43.396000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:17:48.748000+08:00","text":"不然這些錢你收一收拿去哪裡？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:17:48.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:17:51.049000+08:00","text":"部長，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:17:51.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:04.776000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個部分是因為有時候廠商只會挖一個車道或者是局部，它只會補那個局部，但是對公路局來講，必須要整個改善，所以這個預算其實是拿來做整個後續的改善。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:04.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:08.478000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，如果它沒有恢復原狀，你公路局不會放過它……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:09.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:09.959000+08:00","text":"對，但是就會變成一塊一塊。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:10.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:10.919000+08:00","text":"你不能再跟人家收這筆錢。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:12.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:20.188000+08:00","text":"好，我問你，如果你收了這筆錢就是用在原地，你們部長講的，你有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:20.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:20.628000+08:00","text":"你敢保證嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:20.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:23.450000+08:00","text":"不要胡說八道，我跟你說。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:23.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:27.993000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，這筆錢收進來之後，它的用途一定是用在鋪面養護上面。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:28.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:28.794000+08:00","text":"哪一條路？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:30.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:42.386000+08:00","text":"照理說，你跟我收這筆錢我只挖這裡，你收我的錢，我就是負責把這個地方弄好嘛，這筆錢收了之後流向何處？","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:42.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:43.127000+08:00","text":"沒有人可以查了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:43.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:49.153000+08:00","text":"委員講的這部分，我們會要求工務段那邊要更精細，一定要用在那個地方。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:49.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:18:53.277000+08:00","text":"不能更精細，你只能……不然你就修法兩個都要。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:18:54.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:19:21.409000+08:00","text":"部長，你是部長欸，依法行政，現在法律規定公路法第三十條之一第五項很清楚表示挖路單位有兩個做法，要嘛道路恢復，要嘛錢給公路局，公路局自己做，而現在是兩個都要，造成人家路已經做好了，你收的這些錢流向不明。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:19:22.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:19:30.916000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們會把暫時性修復跟永久性修復分清楚，如果是做永久性修復，我們就不要再收錢。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:19:31.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:19:33.438000+08:00","text":"如果是做永久性的修復，做到那個程度，我們不會再另外收錢。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:19:33.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:19:43.231000+08:00","text":"他也跟你亂講，公總跟你亂講，如果不是做永久性修復，這筆錢你不能弄到別的地方，照理說是這樣，你就不能流用啊，永遠要……","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:19:43.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:19:47.794000+08:00","text":"對，所以我說必須要精準表示在做挖的這一段。","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:19:48.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:04.062000+08:00","text":"以後這條路要重做了，是國家要編預算，道路本來就有修復的費用，公總一年拿幾次錢在修理路，以後這條路如果重做，你本來就有編……","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:06.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:13.170000+08:00","text":"報告委員，挖完之後即便有鋪回來，我們維修的頻率會跟原本規劃的頻率不一樣，一定會增加。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:13.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:14.871000+08:00","text":"他又在那邊跟你亂講。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:14.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:17.454000+08:00","text":"那筆錢有用在原地嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:17.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:20.196000+08:00","text":"所以未來要更精準地用在原地才有道理。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:21.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:21.757000+08:00","text":"是二擇一，還是兩個都要？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:21.757000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:26.122000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，剛剛跟委員說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:26.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:32.025000+08:00","text":"你拿的出來你跟人家收的這些錢的流向嗎？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:32.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:36.106000+08:00","text":"每一筆錢跑到什麼地方，你寫得出來嗎？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:36.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:40.388000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，這個錢絕對不會變成公路局的小金庫，因為……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:40.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:42.809000+08:00","text":"我跟你說這些錢要拿去用在哪裡，都沒人管你，照理說政府單位用的錢都要接受監督。對。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:43.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:43.930000+08:00","text":"你5年收了40億，這些錢拿去哪裡？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:53.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:20:54.652000+08:00","text":"我告訴你，局長你自己絕對也不知道啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:20:55.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:00.897000+08:00","text":"你用在各分局嘛，你不要再辯啦。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:01.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:03.819000+08:00","text":"報告委員，您說的這部分，我們趕快來檢討。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:03.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:05.721000+08:00","text":"我再跟你查下去就很難看啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:07.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:14.027000+08:00","text":"你以後就叫它路修好，不然就是叫它繳錢，你們來做，兩項選一項嘛！","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:16.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:22.486000+08:00","text":"哪有又要人家修路，又要跟人家收錢，法律規定就是二擇一，你們就依法來執行，好不好？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:23.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:31.315000+08:00","text":"報告委員，您講的這個部分我覺得是蠻有道理，我們會朝如果它是自行修復，而且是永久性修復，就不要再收錢，二擇一。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:31.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:34.037000+08:00","text":"沒有什麼永久性、不永久性修復，修復就修復。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:34.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:34.818000+08:00","text":"好，我們會朝這個方向。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:34.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:37.160000+08:00","text":"好不好，部長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:37.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:38.121000+08:00","text":"我給你點到為止，好不好？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員俊憲","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:38.181000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:38.401000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長、謝謝局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:38.901000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:42.043857+08:00","text":"謝謝林俊憲召委質詢。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（林委員俊憲）","start":"2026-04-30T10:21:42.343857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:21:46.343857+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請陳素月委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}