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聽一下因為民怨是喜啦謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:18.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:20.915000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席以及各位先進。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:20.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:22.836000+08:00","text":"有請法務部鄭部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:22.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:23.096000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:23.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:23.197000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:23.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:23.737000+08:00","text":"部長你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:23.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:24.918000+08:00","text":"有一個會議是國際兩公約第四次國家報告國際審查會議，臺灣這裡好像你是團長，對不對？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:24.918000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.189000+08:00","text":"張司長……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.209000+08:00","text":"司長，是團長？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.209000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:47.209000+08:00","text":"沒有，部長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.649000+08:00","text":"部長是團長啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.769000+08:00","text":"部長是團長，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:46.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:47.030000+08:00","text":"他是承辦司。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:47.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:41:48.430000+08:00","text":"有人跟我反映，所以我把這個審查會議的場次列表出來，給立法院的發言時間不錯，給監察院的發言時間也不錯，監察院有人權的團體。","quality":0.691},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:41:48.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:17.841000+08:00","text":"單位一籮筐，我現在沒有全部列完，後面還有第2頁、第3頁，但每一個單位給1分46秒，是要說什麼？1分46秒！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:17.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:18.582000+08:00","text":"每一個都是1分46秒，你這個在糊弄人家啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:18.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:21.183000+08:00","text":"不然你就不要排這麼多單位，每一個單位給1分46秒，這到底是怎樣？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:21.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:22.104000+08:00","text":"一上來打個招呼說「鄭部長，你好。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:22.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:22.504000+08:00","text":"」就下去了，1分46秒！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:38.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:40.411000+08:00","text":"這個我請承辦司司長來說明。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:40.411000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:41.571000+08:00","text":"好，承辦司司長。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:41.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:41.771000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:41.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:43.712000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告一下，這個部分是他們……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:43.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:44.533000+08:00","text":"為什麼這樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:44.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:42:50.376000+08:00","text":"第一個，他們可以報名，讓他們來參加，因為參加的團體非常踴躍。太多。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:42:52.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:01.902000+08:00","text":"其實後來我們召開一個說明會，有民間團體的委員有做一個說明，就是各個團體他們可以去結合，譬如他們4個去結合……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:02.762000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:03.582000+08:00","text":"知道，前面第一個就有4個單位結合。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:03.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:04.982000+08:00","text":"要結合就結合在一起，你乾脆這樣子比較……不然的話這個看起來是消遣人家！","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:06.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:06.543000+08:00","text":"這個agenda列出來，你看，這是消遣人家啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:06.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:08.143000+08:00","text":"給人家1分46秒，我上去講才開始說「你好、我好」，就下去了，變成這樣，就打鈴了！","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:08.143000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:08.703000+08:00","text":"還是要給他們一點發言權，因為這部分我們還是尊重那些國際組織審查委員他們提供的議程。","quality":0.641},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:30.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:31.548000+08:00","text":"這個不是我要問的重點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:31.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:31.868000+08:00","text":"部長認真看，這個計畫要花多少錢？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:31.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:31.888000+08:00","text":"這個計畫838萬。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:31.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:31.908000+08:00","text":"對，快1,000萬喔！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:31.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:32.429000+08:00","text":"這個請問去年有沒有辦？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:32.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:32.669000+08:00","text":"這個是四年一次。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:32.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:33.550000+08:00","text":"對，四年才一次，去年沒有辦、前年沒有辦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:33.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:34.730000+08:00","text":"沒有，這個本來就四年一次。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:34.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:43:59.069000+08:00","text":"對，我知道，我現在跟你講的是，這一筆錢根本預算沒有審，你怎麼可以用？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:43:59.929000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:04.890000+08:00","text":"我就列出來了，這個錢八百多萬、九百萬，根本我們都沒有審耶！","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:05.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:07.931000+08:00","text":"而且這是新興計畫，因為去年沒有辦、前年沒有辦，這是新興計畫，這不是舊的計畫。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:07.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:08.031000+08:00","text":"四年編一次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:08.031000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:09.031000+08:00","text":"四年，哪有那種事情！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:08.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:08.351000+08:00","text":"每年審預算，我又不是做假的！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:08.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:09.051000+08:00","text":"一次編五年，我們立法院都不要審，哪裡有這樣子的！","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:09.051000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:25.814000+08:00","text":"它不是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:25.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:27.314000+08:00","text":"來，講一下，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:27.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:39.456000+08:00","text":"因為這個部分是屬於我們的法定義務，在人權會議裡面，每四年就必須辦一次，我們要撰寫人權報告，讓所有的政府機關，包括民團他們的平行報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:39.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:41.817000+08:00","text":"所以這個錢是用四年前的錢？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:41.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:42.637000+08:00","text":"不是，是你這個錢啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:43.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:44.877000+08:00","text":"每四年要辦一次，要審……對啦！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:45.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:45.738000+08:00","text":"是這個錢啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:45.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:48.098000+08:00","text":"這就是今年的預算！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:48.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:49.598000+08:00","text":"今年的預算在這裡啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:49.598000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:50.598000+08:00","text":"是，那預計……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:50.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:52.299000+08:00","text":"沒有審，這不是新興計畫，你怎麼可以用？","quality":0.312},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:52.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:53.699000+08:00","text":"它是新興計畫，你怎麼可以用呢？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"張司長介欽","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:54.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:57.101000+08:00","text":"這是例行性的，每四年就必須要辦一次，所以我們都會有編……","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:57.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:57.441000+08:00","text":"所以你就視我們的規定如無物？","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:57.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:58.002000+08:00","text":"你不可以用這個錢！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:44:58.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:44:59.423000+08:00","text":"你要用你的預備金，可以，你去用預備金。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:09.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:09.474000+08:00","text":"來，這個錢怎麼用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:10.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:11.735000+08:00","text":"我們都沒有審，你怎麼可以用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"辜處長儀芳","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:12.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:20.862000+08:00","text":"先跟委員說明一下，因為這個計畫是編在我們「一般行政」原來的「辦理法制及兩公約人權業務」的項下，所以我們……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:22.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:23.223000+08:00","text":"我們還沒有審。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"辜處長儀芳","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:23.763000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:28.687000+08:00","text":"依照預算法第五十四條規定，在上年度執行數的範圍……","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:28.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:29.547000+08:00","text":"所以你是流用。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"辜處長儀芳","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:30.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:33.110000+08:00","text":"不是流用，是控管在上年度執行數的範圍內……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:33.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:34.150000+08:00","text":"我跟你講，等一下翁召委把你刪掉，你沒有這筆錢了。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"辜處長儀芳","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:34.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:35.150000+08:00","text":"因為這個依規定是每四年定期一定要辦理的，所以原則上我們還是控管在上年度執行數的範圍去辦理。","quality":0.047},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:35.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:36.150000+08:00","text":"這是先斬後奏啦。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:35.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:36.132000+08:00","text":"部長，我再問你，現在死刑犯還有多少人？","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:52.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:55.950000+08:00","text":"目前確定是35。36吧？35……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:57.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:58.292000+08:00","text":"已經執行1個。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:45:59.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:45:59.814000+08:00","text":"你執行的，是不是？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:00.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:01.896000+08:00","text":"有1個，死亡……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:02.416000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:03.277000+08:00","text":"1個死亡，不是執行，你執行1個，對不對？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:03.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:04.398000+08:00","text":"部長，是不是？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:10.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:10.883000+08:00","text":"執行1位。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:11.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:11.864000+08:00","text":"你執行1位。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:12.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:13.505000+08:00","text":"後來又有1個死亡。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:13.505000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:14.626000+08:00","text":"又死了1個。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:14.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:15.747000+08:00","text":"又死1個。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:15.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:18.529000+08:00","text":"本來36個，死掉1個，就是35個。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:18.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:23.392000+08:00","text":"有的高達70歲了，請問你現在怎麼處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:23.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:24.693000+08:00","text":"死刑犯你怎麼處理？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:25.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:30.757000+08:00","text":"你還替他再上訴、非常上訴，叫他走憲法法庭還是怎麼樣？拖！","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:30.757000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:32.218000+08:00","text":"這個也不是拖。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:32.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:33.959000+08:00","text":"因為民進黨政府就是要廢死，變成這樣！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:36.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:38.510000+08:00","text":"沒有，如果廢死……我就有執行1位死刑。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:38.510000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:39.510000+08:00","text":"才1位而已。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:38.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:40.330000+08:00","text":"你可以看第1頁，原來的這些團體，你們這裡面就推動廢死！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-04-30T10:46:40.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:46:41.130000+08: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