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因為你在地真的 他評分搞不好這個多幾分啊然後後面說不玩了 不好意思我要去台北了然後後面再運過來這個陳主委 工程委 陳主委"},{"start":382.862,"end":403.929,"text":"你對這個這麼重的城鄉要這個從台北做然後做到高雄去你的見解是怎麼樣就你工程會的角度以前的今天三接在做的時候城鄉也都在台北港那我要看看他合約所以必要的時候工程會是會去做集合"},{"start":404.509,"end":431.524,"text":"工程會你要協助一下因為我覺得你們也不要自打嘴巴了因為之前從前前主委就開始節能省碳因為這是我們整個國家的一個目標工程會也要求公共工程大家一起來做從材料各方面上來做為了要落實從111年8月31號表示你們的決心只要中央政府超過1億以上的工程全部要給我填節能減碳減核作業"},{"start":432.464,"end":456.471,"text":"對不對 這你們的嘛 你們公告的1億以上工程 它255億嘛 顯然完全符合而且呢 這個減核表是要從計畫提報階段當然計畫提報是在你111年8月以前 那不算但是它至少規劃設計 現在施工我的天啊 它潛能減碳的減核表要怎麼填啊"},{"start":457.625,"end":482.304,"text":"你們看的人我不知道會不會怕為什麼最下面的檢核項目咧你們再三強調強調優先選就在地嘛減少運輸耗能這是一個指標這是一個指標你們如果說從第一個階段計畫提報的時候在國發會都會審核這樣計畫如果第一階段沒有至少在現在的規劃設計施工階段都有"},{"start":483.144,"end":501.864,"text":"那時間因為真的不夠了我覺得你們這不能太離譜你的表又亂勾啊我就OK啊都沒問題然後成鄉五六十個要從台北運三百多公里過去啊那最後啊我就請教一下那個董事長"},{"start":503.632,"end":531.788,"text":"董事長那個報導我只是來求證一下因為你們也沒有說嘛是他當時的合約說他會有兩兩艘這個浮沉台船嘛因為這麼重我們做的沉箱如果真的要去運載即使在地也要運到位置也是需要這樣的一個船隻那現在兩艘一艘是現有的就沉了嘛在宜蘭外海沉了那你們也公告叫路過船隻小心沉了一艘那另外一艘說之前說正在購買中"},{"start":532.668,"end":558.857,"text":"不是啊現在他怎麼樣那個船出來沒有買到沒有什麼階段跟委員報告一下第一個在合約進行中所有的工具區都是要備齊的然後他應該不能影響工程的進度然後這個第二個呢所以目前來講他們確實也有兩艘船所以這個數據有點不大新船也買到了對不對是好"},{"start":559.657,"end":580.076,"text":"確定有兩艘船可以作業喔那你們去研究一下在這2900萬的沉箱什麼真正的沉到水底是怎麼 他們怎麼操作的啊也會研究這個因為未來我們這邊類似的作業非常多是不關我們的事還是他這個經驗有什麼問題你們要了解喔如果弄到最後真的會拖到工程喔是 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然後變成他講了很多可能是某一位委員列為最優的標準，怎麼可以這樣呢？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:36:50.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:36:50.712000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:36:50.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:37:00.400000+08:00","text":"因為在地……搞不好評分就多幾分啊，然後後面說不玩了，不好意思，我要去臺北了，然後再運過來。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:37:00.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:37:10.765000+08:00","text":"工程會陳主委，你對於這麼重的沉箱要在臺北做，然後運到高雄去，你的見解是怎麼樣？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:37:10.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:37:12.325000+08:00","text":"就你工程會的角度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T10:37:13.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:37:23.209000+08:00","text":"以前的經驗，三接做的時候，沉箱也都在臺北港，我要看看合約，必要的時候，工程會會去稽核。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:37:24.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:37:40.878000+08:00","text":"工程會要協助一下，我覺得你們也不要自打嘴巴，之前，從前前主委就開始節能減碳，因為這是我們整個國家的一個目標，工程會也要求公共工程大家一起來做，從材料各方面來做。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:37:41.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:37:53.104000+08:00","text":"為了要落實，從111年8月31號表示你們的決心，只要中央政府超過1億以上的工程全部要填節能減碳檢核作業，對不對？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:37:53.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:37:59.086000+08:00","text":"這是你們公告的，凡1億以上工程都要，它是255億，顯然完全符合。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:37:59.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:38:12.850000+08:00","text":"而且這個檢核表是要從計畫提報階段，計畫提報是在111年8月以前，那不算，但是它至少規劃設計，現在施工，我的天啊！","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:38:14.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:38:16.451000+08:00","text":"節能減碳檢核表要怎麼填啊？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:38:17.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:38:42.284000+08:00","text":"我不知道你們看的人會不會怕，為什麼最下面的檢核項目……你們再三強調優先選在地，減少運輸耗能，這是一個指標，你們如果從第一個階段計畫提報的時候，在國發會都會審核這樣的計畫，如果第一階段沒有，至少在現在的規劃設計、施工階段都有。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:38:43.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:38:56.879000+08:00","text":"因為時間真的不夠了，我覺得你們不能太離譜，這個表亂勾、都OK、沒問題，然後沉箱五、六十個要從臺北運三百多公里過去。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:38:57.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:39:28.386000+08:00","text":"最後我請教董事長，我只是求證一下報導，因為你們也沒有說，但當時的合約說會有兩艘浮沉台船，因為這麼重，我們做的沉箱如果真的要運載，即使是在地，也要運到位置，也是需要這樣的船隻，現在兩艘，一艘是現有的，結果在宜蘭外海沉了，你們也公告要路過的船隻小心，沉了一艘。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:39:29.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:39:34.729000+08:00","text":"另外一艘之前是說正在購買中，現在是怎麼樣？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:39:35.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:39:36.269000+08:00","text":"船出來了沒有？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:39:37.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:39:37.490000+08:00","text":"買到沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:39:37.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:39:38.030000+08:00","text":"是什麼階段？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"周董事長永暉：跟委員報告一下","start":"2026-04-30T10:39:39.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:39:49.294000+08:00","text":"第一個，在合約進行中所有工具機都是要備齊的，應該不能影響工程進度。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"周董事長永暉：跟委員報告一下","start":"2026-04-30T10:39:51.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:39:56.876000+08:00","text":"第二個，目前來講他們確實有兩艘船，所以數據有點不大一樣。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:39:56.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:39:58.497000+08:00","text":"所以新船也買到了，對不對？是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:39:58.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:00.798000+08:00","text":"好，確定有兩艘船可以作業？","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:01.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:08.225000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有研究一下載著2,900萬的沉箱真正沉到水底，他們是怎麼操作的？","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:08.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:09.406000+08:00","text":"有沒有研究這個？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:09.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:15.953000+08:00","text":"因為未來我們這邊類似的作業非常多，是不關我們的事，還是這個經驗有什麼問題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:15.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:17.174000+08:00","text":"你們要了解喔！是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:17.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:19.276000+08:00","text":"因為弄到最後會拖到工程喔！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"周董事長永暉","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:20.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:26.719000+08:00","text":"因為有些工程混在一起，我們再跟委員報告一下跟我們工程有關的部分。好。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:28.020000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:31.001000+08:00","text":"我也拜託陳部長，陳部長，這個案子還是要督導一下。好。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"魯委員明哲","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:31.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:37.224000+08:00","text":"如果沒有這回事，一樣一樣查清楚，但如果真的有這回事，你們真的要主動清查，謝謝。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:37.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:39.724000+08:00","text":"謝謝魯明哲委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T10:40:40.024000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:40:43.452571+08:00","text":"接下來邀請何欣純委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}