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當然啦每個個別人他有不同的一個背景環境造成說他會去當這個我都了解但是你們總是要一套不同的去面對這樣這群年輕的受刑人"},{"start":369.587,"end":398.08,"text":"這群車手是年輕的他跟傳統的犯罪又不太一樣這一群車手他們可能是對社會事務不清楚他就亂去做車手所以我們有五大面向的所以包括說原生家庭的問題也有原生家庭所以事實上法務部你們應該我們現在在打詐很重要可是打詐的這一塊已經讓這麼多車手他們未來就是要到監所去執行"},{"start":399.44,"end":417.648,"text":"那這些到監所執行後 要怎麼讓他們不再回來 不再犯罪我覺得這才是我們整個矯正系統 要說 啊不然這些人都二三十歲重複犯罪 犯了一次 再犯了一次 然後加重再加重後可能他們真的到後面 過了最長的時間 關起來就四五十歲了這些人 大家說 人生缺角 本來缺角"},{"start":424.029,"end":436.44,"text":"所以這是一個社會問題那既然有這個社會問題存在我希望法務部我們應該更積極的去面對這一群車手他們犯罪以後怎麼讓他們離開他們原始的犯罪集團"},{"start":439.282,"end":455.102,"text":"他們也許說必須要離開他原生家庭到一個更好的環境去需要有進一步的收容如果他真的是處在一個很高犯罪的一個環境裡面也許他需要不同的一個收容方式直接有一套方式你們要去想嘛有有有"},{"start":455.482,"end":478.205,"text":"他跟毒品犯罪是不一樣的耶我們目前也請專家學者來訂立研究計畫就我們目前處遇的時事情形的績效再給我們做個評估 給我們做個建議所以說對這一方面我們是很積極的在看待這個詐欺犯尤其他年齡層比較低的問題未來的話他犯罪歷程有可能會這個延續很久時間的問題這個是我們同步投尾在注意到的一個事項"},{"start":478.866,"end":501.223,"text":"是啊 就是說他犯罪歷程會延續很久嘛所以這個人他未來這個車手未來要怎麼讓他真的要改過自新然後真的要去做 去變一個正常的一個人生那才是真的要更生啦所以這個人我覺得你要密切的輔導他們不是說他們這個人被判刑 做車手 拿去刮刮出來之後一半流流氣"},{"start":503.145,"end":531.226,"text":"有可能他感覺工作上太累不然回來做廁所再躺一段日子這要遏止他們也是要靠你們的系統持續追蹤啊所以說他觀念我們首先跟他導正不要耗義務啦不要想說賺這個快錢那另外從法律層面我們跟他宣導讓他們習慣於工作那又回到我講的啦這些人他可能需要在透遊外溢間去媒合讓他去工廠去外面工廠去有一份正常的工作"},{"start":532.366,"end":553.567,"text":"這樣下去我覺得他就真的需要你讓他趕快去有一個正常的工作至少他在姦扶行的時候,也可以透過一份正常有薪水的工作讓他出獄後,延續著這個套路給他享受我是覺得說這就要去做,不是讓這些人去拐起來拐起來之後給他處理,處理之後就犯罪,怎麼就回來啊"},{"start":555.829,"end":581.811,"text":"這樣的話是一個失敗的矯正政策會會會原文的指導聖事我們會朝這方面積極的努力來做積極努力啦因為這個打炸事實上要事實上第一個面對的就是這麼多車手這些車手年輕人我們希望他們改過自新我們也希望他們可以找到人生開啟的第二條路好不好是是是這段話就要合作整合更多資源來做這一塊嘛好不好好謝謝好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:56.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:59.284000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委，有請部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:59.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:03.706000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:03.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:03.966000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:05.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:13.251000+08:00","text":"部長，今天司法及法制委員會生意不怎麼好，馬上就到我外委員會的委員質詢了。","quality":0.606},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:14.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:44.247000+08:00","text":"我想跟部長聊一下，現在臺灣監獄普遍還是有超收的狀況，在超收的情況之下，我們長久以來在推動的就是希望受刑人有個人的床位，但是又遇到超收，在此同時，我們又想要推動這樣的政策，法務部到底要如何落實這件事情呢？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:47.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:04.435000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，事實上一人一床是我們追求的目標，到今年2月的時候，矯正機關目前統計的資料有4萬9,002床，床位的配置率是八成，我們會一直努力往前推到能夠全部都……","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:05.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:06.656000+08:00","text":"當然是持續往前推。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:06.656000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:07.856000+08:00","text":"對，持續往前。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:07.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:20.421000+08:00","text":"但是你看各個監獄的超收率真的看起來都滿嚇人的，像第一名的桃園監獄，超收率是42%，臺北看守所到了34%，真的超收率是很嚇人的。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:20.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:26.444000+08:00","text":"對，的確像桃園外役監現在也開始在啟用了，陸續在……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:26.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:29.825000+08:00","text":"對，我知道桃園外役監正在啟用部分要變成監獄的……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:29.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:32.146000+08:00","text":"另外，臺北那邊也是滿擁擠的，超收比較嚴重，所以他們有一個遷建計畫。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:38.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:41.650000+08:00","text":"對，部長，這會延伸到我接下來要問的問題。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:42.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:49.351000+08:00","text":"外役監的功能大概你們認為越來越少了，所以讓監獄來取代外役監就可以了，是這樣嗎？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:49.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:54.053000+08:00","text":"以現在的矯正政策來說……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:54.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:56.693000+08:00","text":"外役監我們現在還是在推動，因為現在外役監條例……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:57.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:01.775000+08:00","text":"現在外役監的人數很少了，現在已經少到了……","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:01.775000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:02.796000+08:00","text":"現在有再放寬。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:02.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:23.947000+08:00","text":"你說桃園外役監，就要把它切出來，變成監獄的一部分，外役監就要縮小了，這是我看到現在在調整的方向，所以表示外役監的功能弱化，需要更多的監獄空間來關這些受刑人，現在我們的矯正政策會變這樣嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:26.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:40.510000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實外役監這部分的確現在人比較少，現在陸續在放寬，我想這個部分會做一些調整，這些受刑人到外役監會會持續的增加。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:41.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:46.574000+08:00","text":"受刑人到外役監，人減少當然一部分是因為……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:46.574000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:47.574000+08:00","text":"這幾年來……","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:46.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:49.956000+08:00","text":"一部分是因為修法的關係，我們希望重刑犯不要進入到外役監。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:50.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:52.757000+08:00","text":"現在開始已經放寬了，現在會陸續會增加。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:53.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:54.639000+08:00","text":"對，可是重刑犯還是不進去嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:54.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:21:25.691000+08:00","text":"但是外役監的矯正功能基本上跟傳統的監獄還是有不一樣，它更重視的是讓這一些受刑人以後如何快速的適應社會，也就是我們要避免這一些受刑人重複犯罪，我們希望他出來後就可以確實的更生，不要再犯罪，再回來到這個矯正系統裡面，這才是我們要推動的一個目標。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:21:26.412000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:21:31.956000+08:00","text":"部長，所以事實上這有呈現幾個問題，第一個，你們都沒有發現嗎？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:21:31.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:22:10.490000+08:00","text":"你們最近不管是外役監的審查或者是假釋的審查都延宕很久，照理說，我們這一個月已經處理了這一些外役監跟這些假釋的人員，應該在當月份至少要處理完，結果你們動不動拖了一個月、拖了一個多月，甚至到了快兩個月，這樣的辦理速度，事實上只是會造成整個問題往後，沒有妥適的解決，這是第一個，效率的問題，效率的問題，我搞不懂。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:22:11.230000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:22:38.450000+08:00","text":"第二個，我想要跟部長聊一下，我們整個矯正的體系就是希望這些更生人要更生，延續剛剛很多人在講詐欺，現在這麼多詐欺犯，尤其是這些車手，他是年輕化的，是年輕的犯人，而且這些車手會重複的不斷犯罪，你們到底有沒有一套的更生計畫？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:22:38.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:22:51.755000+08:00","text":"因為這樣的犯罪，他跟毒品犯不一樣，毒品犯是因為他成癮的關係，所以他會再一次的吸毒，過去很多監所都是這些毒品犯，重複的一直進來，現在不一樣，變成詐欺犯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:22:52.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:22:58.637000+08:00","text":"你們針對詐欺犯的這些更生人，有沒有一套獨立的更生計畫？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:22:58.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:23:00.078000+08:00","text":"我想要請教部長這件事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-04-30T11:23:01.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:23:07.594000+08:00","text":"這個是在監獄收容這部分的矯正，因為要復歸社會，所以有一套的計畫，這部分是不是請署長來向委員說明？","quality":0.705},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:23:07.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:23:17.017000+08:00","text":"好，我是想要了解這一些詐欺犯，我們如何遏止他，既然他就被關了，也出來了，以後可不可以就不要再去當車手了？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:23:17.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:23:20.238000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有怎樣的方式才是落實讓他有效的更生呢？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:23:20.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:23:41.644000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，一個詐欺犯的矯正是要多面向，從他法律的素養到他個人的經濟，還有他投資的理念，還有他的就業、他的工作、他的技能跟他家庭整個的影響，這是全面的，所以每個受刑人在監裡面，我們都跟他訂有個別處遇計畫，依個別的情形來做矯正，當他出監時我們一樣會調查他的需求。","quality":0.703},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:23:42.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:23:53.667000+08:00","text":"當然啦，每個個別人有不同的背景環境造成他會去當車手，這個我都了解，但是你們總是要有一套不同的去面對這群年輕的受刑人。是。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:23:54.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:24:04.091000+08:00","text":"這群車手是年輕的，他跟傳統犯罪又不太一樣，這一群車手可能是對社會事不清楚，他就傻傻的去當車手了。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:24:05.112000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:24:06.793000+08:00","text":"所以我們有五大面向處遇的……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:24:07.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:24:10.354000+08:00","text":"所以包括他原生家庭的問題。也有。對吧？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:24:11.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:24:11.915000+08:00","text":"他的原生家庭。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:24:12.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:24:41.147000+08:00","text":"所以法務部，現在打詐很重要，可是打詐的這一塊已經讓這麼多車手未來就是要到監所去執行，這一些人到監所執行後，要怎麼讓他們不再回來、不再犯罪，我覺得這才是整個矯正系統要做的，不然這些人都二、三十歲，讓他重複犯罪，犯了一次，再犯了一次，然後加重、再加重後，可能他們真的到了最後，判到最重的時候，關出來就四、五十歲了。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:24:41.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:24:42.628000+08:00","text":"這些人如同臺語說的「人生撿角」、「半撿角」！是。","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:24:49.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:24:50.970000+08:00","text":"所以這是一個社會問題。對。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:24:51.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:25:20.062000+08:00","text":"既然有這個社會問題存在，我希望法務部應該更積極去面對這一群車手犯罪以後，怎麼讓他們離開原始的犯罪集團，他們也許必須要離開他原生家庭，到一個更好的環境去，需要有進一步的收容，如果他真的是處在一個很高犯罪的環境裡面，也許他需要不同的收容方式，直接有一套方式，你們要去想嘛！有、有。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:20.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:25:22.805000+08:00","text":"他跟毒品犯罪是不一樣的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:23.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:25:31.493000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們目前也請專家學者來訂立了研究計畫，就我們目前處遇實施的績效，再給我們做評估、建議。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:31.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:25:43.205000+08:00","text":"所以對這一方面，我們是很積極的在看待詐欺犯，尤其他年齡層比較低的問題，未來他犯罪歷程有可能會延續很久時間的問題，這都是我們同步都有在注意到的事項。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:43.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:25:57.577000+08:00","text":"是啊，就是他犯罪歷程會延續很久嘛，所以這些車手未來要怎麼讓他真的能改過自新，然後真的變成一個正常的人生，那才是真正的更生。是。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:58.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:11.867000+08:00","text":"所以這些人，我覺得你們要密切的輔導他們，不是他們這些人被判刑，做車手抓去關，關出來之後，「一捌溜溜去」，出去之後，有可能他覺得工作上太累，不然就再回來做車手，再賺一攤看看。","quality":0.662},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:12.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:18.372000+08:00","text":"所以要遏止他們也是要靠你們的系統持續追蹤啊！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:18.372000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:19.372000+08:00","text":"對，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:18.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:24.197000+08:00","text":"所以他的觀念，我們要首先要跟他導正，不要好逸惡勞，不要想賺快錢。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:24.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:25.778000+08:00","text":"另外從法律層面，我們跟他宣導，從被害人的……","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:25.778000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:36.205000+08:00","text":"讓他們習慣於工作，那又回到我講的，這些人可能需要再透由外役監去媒合，讓他去外面工廠，有一份正常的工作。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:36.205000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:37.707000+08:00","text":"對，我們訓練技能……是，是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:37.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:53.622000+08:00","text":"我覺得這些車手就真的需要讓他趕快有一個正常的工作，至少他在監服刑的時候，他可以透過一份正常有薪水的工作，讓他出獄後延續著，這個工作讓他延續，我覺得這就要去做。是。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:54.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:03.611000+08:00","text":"不是把這些人抓去關起來，關起來之後讓他出去，出去之後再犯罪，怎麼又回來了，這樣的話是一個失敗的矯正政策，好不好？會。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:04.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:07.374000+08:00","text":"委員的指導甚是，我們會朝這方面積極努力來做。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:07.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:07.975000+08:00","text":"積極努力啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:08.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:21.966000+08:00","text":"因為打詐，事實上第一個面對就是這麼多車手，這些車手年輕人，我們希望他們改過自新，我們也希望他們可以找到人生開啟的第二條路，好不好？是。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:22.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:26.650000+08:00","text":"這部分你們法務部就要協助，整合更多資源來做這一塊，好不好？","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"林署長憲銘","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:26.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:26.791000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:26.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:26.811000+08:00","text":"謝謝蔡委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:27.311000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:33.311000+08:00","text":"今天所有登記發言的委員，均已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:33.611000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:44.753857+08:00","text":"委員質詢時，要求提供相關資料，或者是以書面答復者，請相關機關儘速送交個別委員以及本會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:45.053857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:57.911000+08:00","text":"委員蔡其昌、許宇甄、吳宗憲、林倩綺等委員所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，並刊登公報，同時也請相關機關以書面答復。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}