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現在我跟你提的問題就是你要趕快溝通協調平台"},{"start":231.215,"end":256.15,"text":"第一個就是我們現在大溪谷計畫的話未來的就業人口就一定會流入所以我們在居住方面的話說2032年的話我們要興建4萬多戶但是現在不管你絕標還是說在新任中的大概有2萬多戶所以內政部也說因為這個空屋啦或者用地取得不容易他準備要下修那這件事情內政部有沒有跟你溝通"},{"start":257.981,"end":279.526,"text":"他這個部分的話就是說整個那個住宅政策除了社宅之外還有包租貸款這個部分所以他有的時候會把包租貸款這樣一個部分的量的把它納進來所以不是說社宅的目標所以住宿的問題這個層面的問題不要說影響到我們產業的發展比我們產業的發展更慢的話就是跟不上了好不好"},{"start":280.206,"end":298.783,"text":"這個要去注意的住宿的問題一定會就位人口進去你一定有住宿的問題嘛你蓋工業區蓋工業區的同時你就可以蓋宿舍讓他們可以可負擔的富士住宅這個可以去提重的因為這一個部分像社會住宅或甚至是企業宅的話其實其實內地戶都所以你再蓋工業區的話就要把住宿的問題給解決好不好好"},{"start":302.606,"end":324.141,"text":"接下來是交通方面本來我們在台北到桃園部分的話我們有板農快速道路現在改名叫做大漢溪的兩岸快速道路還有我們新陽梅快速道路這個可以解決台北到桃園還甚至我們南桃園整個交通的整個壓力但是我們的可行性評估到現在都一直延宕還沒通過是什麼原因這個116年5月會完成評估報告5月就是下個月"},{"start":331.983,"end":352.552,"text":"115年的5月116還要拖一年這已經幾年了 24年開始到現在因為那個工程規模比較大所以沒有辦法在下個月就馬上做出一個評估報告出來所以我們希望你能夠年底的來完成好不好我們拚年底 因為你經過幾年了我跟交通部溝通一下你經過兩年了"},{"start":353.112,"end":370.848,"text":"好不好 盡量年底就能來完成你完成之後各地方政府的話才有辦法去做其他的那個硬體設備這個部分好不好那接下來我們講到剛剛講的是交通方面那還有醫療方面我想請問一下我們醫療方面的話在台北市跟我們"},{"start":371.468,"end":394.442,"text":"桃園市的人口是差不多的人口慢慢都會增加所以在醫療方面的話就是天壤之別所以當時我們國發會有盤點一下桃園未來在醫療資源方面有將清大輻射的醫院放在裡面但是這個清大輻射醫院已經兩次流標了到三月底都兩次流標了可能是因為病床數只有200床"},{"start":396.003,"end":401.065,"text":"沒有辦法吸引大型醫院來這邊投標是不是請諸位來溝通一下可不可以增加病床數的上限讓我們輻射醫院可以順利的來得標我來跟石崇良部長溝通一下因為200床可能大型醫院他沒有興趣好不好"},{"start":415.131,"end":419.232,"text":"所以我們希望說我們趕快的讓各縣市來整合這個機制能夠讓我們的提高我們的層次溝通高層次的來溝通的話才能夠讓我們大溪谷計畫能夠推動的進程不會被阻擾而且讓我們臺灣的經濟可以再邁向更高峰好不好好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:25.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:26.096000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請葉主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:26.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:26.636000+08:00","text":"請國發會葉主委。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:27.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:27.557000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:35.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:13.156000+08:00","text":"主委，近期臺股衝上4萬點，以台積電為首的半導體供應產業鏈是功不可沒，這也顯現全球對於AI晶片的需求，讓臺灣半導體的供應鏈前景一直被看好，而桃竹苗區地區作為全球最重要的半導體產業聚落，所以賴總統特別也在產業的基礎上提出桃竹苗大矽谷計畫，這個計畫特別在2024年9月已經核定了，在2025年1月份，國發會也曾與桃竹苗四個縣市長都有開了座談，這個座談也推動著大矽谷，成為中央跟地方的溝通平臺。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:13.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:13.457000+08:00","text":"請問實質的溝通會議開了幾次？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:25.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:27.216000+08:00","text":"就目前資料來講是6次。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:28.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:30.338000+08:00","text":"這6次是工作會議嘛，沒有……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:31.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:35.561000+08:00","text":"因為我們有分，不太可能所有的會議都跑到原先的那邊……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:36.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:41.205000+08:00","text":"它是工作的平臺，因為溝通平臺裡面有工作的平臺跟協調的平臺嘛？是、是！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:41.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:45.047000+08:00","text":"工作平臺是屬於工作方面一些局處的，協調平臺是屬於副市長層級以上的，對不對？是、是！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:49.190000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:55.639000+08:00","text":"但這6次都是在工作上的平臺，請問協調平臺你們為什麼不開呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:56.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:57.341000+08:00","text":"不是說不開。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:57.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:05.252000+08:00","text":"跟委員分享，因為我上任大概在去年10月的時候，就有一些縣市長來找我，也有反映這個問題……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:06.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:07.514000+08:00","text":"所以還是很多工作要溝通的嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:07.774000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:10.796000+08:00","text":"對，原本剛開始是沒有分類，所以全部都是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:11.256000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:13.798000+08:00","text":"那已經分類了，你們什麼時候要開這個會議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:13.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:18.581000+08:00","text":"第一個，假如工作平臺沒有辦法解決、協調的話，才會進到所謂的……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:18.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:20.202000+08:00","text":"現在有沒有沒辦法協調的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:21.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:21.963000+08:00","text":"目前看起來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:21.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:23.484000+08:00","text":"有找你表示就有問題要溝通嘛！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:23.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:42.144000+08:00","text":"沒有，是我上任之後，我把所有的溝通分成兩個，一個是工作平臺、一個是協調平臺，比如說地方政府跟中央假如能夠達成共識，就不用到協調平臺上面去；假如還是沒有辦法達到共識，才會送到協調平臺……","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:42.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:43.125000+08:00","text":"那現在有沒有需要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:43.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:52.171000+08:00","text":"現在看起來是沒有需要，因為都已經開過6次，還不至於到協調平臺這邊去做處理。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:52.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:00.999000+08:00","text":"所以主委認為國發會沒有必要在上面有角色，還是認為各縣市你們自己去溝通、去檢討就好了？沒有。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:01.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:11.328000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，工作平臺是由我們的社發處以及國土處的處長去主持，召集跨各個部會跟地方政府來開會。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:11.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:12.649000+08:00","text":"主委，我還是要提醒你啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:13.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:16.090000+08:00","text":"很多事情必須要拉高層級去做溝通、協調，並不是三言兩語就能夠說清楚，也沒辦法用公文往返就可以解決問題。理解。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:16.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:17.631000+08:00","text":"所以我們還是希望你們四年一檢討的事情，現在已經過了幾年了，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂委員玉玲","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:17.631000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