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審查的時候主席總書也要來啊所以這個部分尤其是住我先讓主委了解"},{"start":356.141,"end":375.807,"text":"延命會的預算115年度跟114年度還增加了7億2000多還增加並沒有減少總預算然後我們看原住民家庭的自有住宅率"},{"start":376.98,"end":382.866,"text":"第一全國的平均值新北市差了27.83%台北市差33.44%桃園差了25.26%台中市差近31.73%"},{"start":391.417,"end":407.269,"text":"原住民在都會區人口有社戶級的已經達到52.72%所以他非常非常的需要但是這個經費卻是邊內部署跟行政院所核定的所以請國發會能夠去跟協調"},{"start":411.858,"end":434.366,"text":"到底是主計總數的問題還是原民會的問題這個部分跟委員報告原民會在4月2號有送了一個修正的計畫來那這個修正計畫是配合那個整個依照行政院核定的各直轄縣市政府的財力及次的表去做修正所以我們會這邊正在辦理審查"},{"start":436.067,"end":458.192,"text":"那個我要跟國發會主委還有我們國發會的同仁才化法授權訂了一個中央對直轄市及縣市政府的一個補助辦法這裡面特別規定嚴重民主重要建設計畫"},{"start":460.356,"end":472.135,"text":"不受這個財力分級的限制而且還可以超過90%不受財力分級的限制所以要請國會退回"},{"start":473.019,"end":498.497,"text":"這個修正這個部分我們會跟組總這邊來討論一下因為還有原民會然後因為這個部分的話還是要看組總那邊組總那邊會考量剛剛那個委員講的就是說那個原住民這個部分的話可能會有額外的一個考量所以不該修正這個計畫這是第一個因為這個辦法連財化法授權訂的那個辦法非常非常的明確"},{"start":500.459,"end":525.887,"text":"十一住行我們就講這四個字十一住行我們看這個一百一十五年度圓明會的預算住的我剛剛談了行的部分全部都減少全部都減少這個是最基本的所以這個部分要請國發會這個一定要協助好不好好我們去協調好謝謝好謝謝鄭天才委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra 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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:06:06.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:07:00.246000+08:00","text":"接下來是有關東昌公墓的部分，我在108年質詢國發會主委，當初是陳美伶主任委員，東昌公墓在幾十年前已經禁葬，但是一直沒有錢遷葬，當初為了興建原住民族的部落集會所，非常難得的，國發會同意用花東基金來作為遷葬費用，國發會的這張公文可以證明，遷葬已經完成了，因為是108年開始實施的，已經完成了，但是我們的部落集會所還是沒有辦法蓋，為什麼呢？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:07:01.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:07:35.551000+08:00","text":"因為還要換土，在相關的……因為這是地方及鄉公所的意見，所以我認為還要換土，換土也要經費，所以那個部落集會所還沒有辦法蓋，這個部分的換土經費也希望國發會能夠同意支用花東基金，然後請花蓮縣政府把它納入。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:07:36.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:07:44.372000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個我們會去做評估，看起來原民會基本上是同意的，我們也會再跟原民會這邊做一個協調。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:07:44.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:07:45.213000+08:00","text":"好，去協調這個部分，謝謝。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra 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Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:10:24.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:01.920000+08:00","text":"我要跟國發會主委還有我們國發會的同仁說，財劃法授權訂了一個中央對直轄市及縣市政府的補助辦法，其中特別規定原住民族重要建設計畫不受財力分級的限制，而且還可以超過百分之九十喔，不受財力分級的限制，所以要請國發會退回這個修正……","quality":0.856},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:02.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:16.710000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們會跟主總還有原民會這邊來討論一下，因為這個部分的話還是要看主總那邊，主總那邊會考量剛剛委員講的，就是原住民這個部分可能會有額外的考量。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:17.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:32.660000+08:00","text":"所以不該修正這個計畫，這是第一個，因為財劃法授權訂的那個辦法非常、非常的明確，食衣住行，我們就講這四個字食衣住行。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:33.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:43.104000+08:00","text":"我們看115年度原民會的預算，住的我剛剛談了，行的部分全部都減少了！","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:44.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:52.427000+08:00","text":"全部都減少，這是最基本的，所以這個部分要請國發會一定要協助，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:52.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:53.527000+08:00","text":"好，我們去協調。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:53.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:53.887000+08:00","text":"謝謝鄭天財委員，主委先回座。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:54.387000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:57.529857+08:00","text":"下一位質詢委員請葉元之。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}