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中華電力說要排時間 排電說要排他的時間自來水要排自來水的時間通道要排時間 全部排完所以唐富道拖了多久 拖了兩年多老闆說你這是搞什麼飛機啊所以現場就很倒霉啦 非戰之罪啊 非戰之罪"},{"start":349.312,"end":371.443,"text":"跟現在有關係嗎?沒有關係現在選舉要到了,網路匿名的信一大堆又官商勾結又幹什麼圖利什麼的,我知道是沒有啦你這個就影響到這個事情啊所以主委,你派一個人實地去了解還有今天你們開會啊"},{"start":373.467,"end":400.103,"text":"這個廠商如果都這樣子的話,這得了嗎?這個案現在目前已經啟用,那是驗收中那如果縣府提出理業正義調解,那這個工程會會來協助不是協助,你們派個人再去好不好,去指導一下還有這個國中、鄉公所,我想不是關馬祖我們都再去幹一次這個工程會你們有點責任好不好"},{"start":401.709,"end":423.761,"text":"尤其這個離島,離島除了廠商不足之外,又缺工缺料然後基層的這些公務員,素質又良又不起,有的根本不是搞這個,他是當老師嘛人家老師都不想幹,為什麼呢?被逼瘋了我早上還在跟假官通電話,他說"},{"start":426.513,"end":452.939,"text":"你看還沒完工人跑了,慢慢成辦單位的人喔為什麼?怕啊,每個公務員都怕啊現在公務員很怕事欸,你知道嗎動不動你看檢調單位就收押進鑑啊什麼圖利什麼一大堆欸你有沒有先送進去先剝一層皮啊你知道嗎這很痛苦的啊所以主委你找這些工程專家到那邊去訓練一下好不好"},{"start":453.837,"end":476.322,"text":"就是政務採購人員我們再特別到馬祖去安排相關的講習我講不只是講習啦不只是講習啦實際上什麼狀況這裡面工程的問題啊協助縣政府好不好好可以主委非常感謝好不好準備好謝謝啦好謝謝都委謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:02:03.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:02:04.042000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:02:04.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:02:05.663000+08:00","text":"請工程會主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:02:06.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:02:07.003000+08:00","text":"請陳金德主委。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T11:02:07.003000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:02:33.473000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:02:33.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:02:58.068000+08:00","text":"最近不只是馬祖，金門跟澎湖也有類似的情形發生，國中、鄉公所採購人員不足，尤其像國中小，你叫他修繕宿舍、蓋校舍，他本身是老師或幹事而已，沒有這樣的經驗。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:02:59.823000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:03:12.673000+08:00","text":"你看最近馬祖三大工程發生問題，謝謝工程會很夠意思，無論颱風、災害，你們馬上都到馬祖。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:03:14.254000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:03:31.700000+08:00","text":"上次質詢完了以後，主委也特別指派主任秘書去那邊給基層同仁講習，講了三天，但是我覺得這不夠，現在金門、馬祖、澎湖這一些基層人員的問題怎麼解決？","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:03:32.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:03:53.335000+08:00","text":"以這三個工程來說，首先是北竿中山國中新建工程，你看中山國中開工是112年12月25號，工程進度到115年4月24號，預定進度現在應該到30%，結果只有多少，你知道嗎？","quality":0.721},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:03:53.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:03:55.235000+08:00","text":"目前進度2.4834%，聽說今天工程會要開會。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:03:55.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:04:20.948000+08:00","text":"我跟縣長講，你就照合約規定，合約裡面有規定，該解約就解約，該罰錢就罰錢，對不對？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:04:23.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:04:25.691000+08:00","text":"你說明一下，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T11:04:26.312000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:04:35.698000+08:00","text":"這個已經有提出履約爭議調解，今天下午要開第4次會議，詳細情形請主秘……他去馬祖兩趟了，請他來說明。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:04:36.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:04:39.360000+08:00","text":"主秘說明一下你到那邊去的實地狀況，好不好？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:04:41.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:04:44.262000+08:00","text":"先講這個，一個一個來，動作快一點，因為時間的關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅主任秘書天健","start":"2026-04-30T11:04:44.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:04:57.512000+08:00","text":"中山國中因為擋土樁的爭議，即地質調查資料到底清不清楚，還有打得下去、打不下去的爭議，目前是停工，現在正在調解當中。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:04:58.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:05:05.438000+08:00","text":"我也跟地檢署報告，老百姓一直在懷疑官商勾結，地檢署趕快去查啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:05:06.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:05:08.540000+08:00","text":"他們也知道裡面的狀況到底怎麼回事。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:05:10.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:05:10.512000+08:00","text":"很好笑！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:05:11.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:05:26.599000+08:00","text":"現在承辦的組長退休，因為動不動沒有圖利自己也圖利他人，變成動不動就收押禁見，大家都怕。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:05:27.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:05:35.303000+08:00","text":"現在沒有人要幹公務員了，現在連退休金都沒有了，他不可能去搞貪污這個事情，對不對？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:05:36.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:05:44.719000+08:00","text":"你看看進度才2.4834%，不得了，再這樣拖下去，這個國中什麼時候才會蓋好？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:05:46+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:05:47.741000+08:00","text":"到時候機場都已經弄好了，這個還沒弄好！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:05:48.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:05:50.123000+08:00","text":"接著是北竿的塘后大橋，你看看塘后大橋做了多久？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:05:50.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:06:12.060000+08:00","text":"900日曆天，工期延長了七百多天，為什麼延長七百多天？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:06:12.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:06:13.541000+08:00","text":"主任秘書去看過了吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:06:14.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:06:15.441000+08:00","text":"主任秘書說明一下，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅主任秘書天健","start":"2026-04-30T11:06:18.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:06:29.065000+08:00","text":"目前這個工程已經通車了，因為已經核定展延，根據契約可以展延的情況，就是不可歸責於廠商，馬祖包括天候等等……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:06:29.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:06:30.145000+08:00","text":"你看過了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"羅主任秘書天健","start":"2026-04-30T11:06:32.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:06:41.522000+08:00","text":"我有去現場看那個工程，但是剛剛委員提到的展延工期，我並沒有去了解它的展延工期……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:06:44.623000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:06:55.589000+08:00","text":"好，不可以歸責，你看缺工缺料，一共900天，光展延工期去了七百多天，七百多天代表兩年多，內容是什麼？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:06:55.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:07:16.121000+08:00","text":"你看預拌混凝土用地無法取得、缺工209天，疫情去了34天，還有砂石因為海象的關係運補中斷127天，配合管線遷移施工，配合什麼管線？","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:07:17.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:07:26.368000+08:00","text":"裡面有中華電信、台電、自來水、第四台，橋底下要埋管線，要從這個地方到那一頭，對不對？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:07:28.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:07:42.658000+08:00","text":"這裡面又很好笑，中華電信說要排時間，台電說要排他的時間，自來水也要排自來水的時間，通通都要排時間，為了等全部排完，所以耽誤到、拖了兩年多。","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:07:44.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:07:45.740000+08:00","text":"老百姓問，這是搞什麼飛機？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:07:47.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:07:49.783000+08:00","text":"縣長就很倒楣了，非戰之罪！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:07:50.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:07:52.792000+08:00","text":"非戰之罪跟縣長有關係嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:07:52.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:07:54.333000+08:00","text":"沒有關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:07:54.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:08:05.738000+08:00","text":"現在選舉要到了，網路匿名信一大堆，說官商勾結又圖利什麼的，我知道沒有，問題就會影響到這個事情。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:08:06.979000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:08:19.069000+08:00","text":"主委，你派個人到實地去了解，還有今天你們開會，這個廠商如果都這樣的話，這得了嗎？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T11:08:19.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:08:28.454000+08:00","text":"這個案子目前已經啟用了、驗收中，如果縣府提出履約爭議調解，工程會來協助。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:08:30.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:08:33.437000+08:00","text":"不只協助，你們派個人再去指導一下，好不好？好。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:08:34.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:08:38.340000+08:00","text":"還有國中、鄉公所，我想不光是馬祖，到處都是。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T11:08:38.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:08:39.561000+08:00","text":"我們都再去看一次。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:08:41.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:08:43.083000+08:00","text":"工程會有點責任，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T11:08:43.083000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:08:44.709000+08:00","text":"好，可以。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:08:44.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:01.218000+08:00","text":"尤其離島，除了廠商不足之外又缺工缺料，然後這些基層公務員的素質又良莠不齊，有的根本就不是搞這個的，他是當老師，人家老師都不想幹了，為什麼呢？","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:01.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:03.139000+08:00","text":"被逼瘋了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:05.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:14.654000+08:00","text":"我早上還在跟檢察官通電話，他說你看還沒完工，承辦單位的人都跑了，為什麼？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:15.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:15.874000+08:00","text":"每個公務員都怕。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:17.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:20.495000+08:00","text":"現在公務員很怕事，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:20.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:29.998000+08:00","text":"你看檢調單位動不動就收押禁見，圖利什麼的一大堆，不管有沒有，就先送進去剝一層皮，你知道嗎？","quality":0.775},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:29.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:30.478000+08:00","text":"這很痛苦的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:31.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:35.919000+08:00","text":"主委，你找一些工程專家到那邊去訓練一下，好不好？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:38.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:42.738000+08:00","text":"我們再特別安排到馬祖舉辦政府採購人員相關的講習或是課程。","quality":0.481},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:42.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:54.161000+08:00","text":"我想不只是講習，包括實際上會有什麼狀況、裡面工程的問題，都協助縣政府，好不好？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳主任委員金德","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:54.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:54.721000+08:00","text":"好，可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:54.721000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:55.721000+08:00","text":"非常感謝主委。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:55.721000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:56.721000+08:00","text":"謝謝主秘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員雪生","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:56.721000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:57.721000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:55.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:09:59.302000+08:00","text":"非常感謝陳雪生委員。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:09:59.802000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:10:02.944857+08:00","text":"接下來邀請游顥委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}