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向委員報告他的個資防護計畫他們必須要提出來那不過這個收購的部分關係到很多的部會我們會跟其他部會大家一起合作來嚴格來了解這個議題"},{"start":514.21,"end":524.955,"text":"部長我想這個部份交通部還是責無旁貸你們是一個外送平台的主管機關我想我們應該來主導這個案子然後趕快把相關的部會來做一個整合好不好好沒問題這個我會注意好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:37+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:38+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請陳部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:37.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:38.770000+08:00","text":"請陳部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:38.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:40.391000+08:00","text":"觀光署陳署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:40.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:41.591000+08:00","text":"請觀光署陳署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:41.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:43.192000+08:00","text":"公路局林局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:43.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:45.893000+08:00","text":"公總林局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:45.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:46.073000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:47.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:17:49.875000+08:00","text":"部長好，署長、局長好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:17:50.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:29.637000+08:00","text":"現在已經是4月底，終於要開始審總預算，部長跟相關的主管應該五味雜陳，今年已經過了三分之一了，才要開始審總預算，當然對我們來講，我們現在看到很多地方一些重大的交通建設也好，觀光的補助也好，真的是影響非常非常巨大，尤其是現在全臺TPASS通勤族的部分，月票的補助款一直沒有到位，包含我們召委的臺南市都有提到，可能都已經有要先舉債來支應的這個狀況。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:32.379000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:37.803000+08:00","text":"部長，這個部分目前你們掌握的狀況、各縣市的問題有沒有辦法解決？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:37.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:46.129000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們是希望5月份就可以來協助地方政府，因為很多地方政府在反映，如果到了5月還沒有辦法協助他們……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:46.129000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:47.811000+08:00","text":"大家都唉唉叫。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:47.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:49.112000+08:00","text":"大家有可能會撐不住。是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:49.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:18:56.538000+08:00","text":"所以我們現在也正在趕流程，希望可以趕快讓它在5月份能夠直接來協助地方政府。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:18:57.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:05.231000+08:00","text":"這個部分現在在執行上面……當然這是你們的期待，但不曉得立法院審查的狀況……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:05.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:11.836000+08:00","text":"新興計畫的部分，其實主總已經有針對新興計畫，立法院好像有七百多億的……","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:11.836000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:13.337000+08:00","text":"會先來優先處理？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:13.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:19.142000+08:00","text":"是，會優先來處理，這個部分我們正在走程序當中，我們趕快把程序走完就有機會可以來協助。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:20.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:54.967000+08:00","text":"部長，我還是要再特別提到一個部分，因為現在六都跟非六都的財源結構真的差很多，尤其屏東縣，你也知道我們的自主財源真的有限，所以很多的預算經費都必須仰賴中央的支持，尤其昨天也謝謝部長到屏東，針對上一次委員會我有特別提到觀光署的部分，我們屏東縣有南北雙星的計畫，還有微笑南灣這些計畫，預算質詢過了之後，這部分能不能加快來進行？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:55.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:19:56.928000+08:00","text":"署長，你的看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-30T11:19:59.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:24.379000+08:00","text":"謝謝徐委員很關心這件事情，我們也很高興預算終於開始要審了，北回歸線的北回之巔、微笑南灣這個計畫在預算沒過之前，我們基本上已經組了顧問團，把所有重要且預計要完成的公共建設做預先的踩線，所以這個部分等預算通過之後就可以直接啟動了。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:25.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:20:48.465000+08:00","text":"可以了，但是現在有一個問題，觀光的雙輪驅動方案原本是預定今年度要推動，我們編列了23億左右，因為現在隨著預算開始審，署長，比如生日的優惠券或是一些補助的方案，有些人的生日已經過了，怎麼辦？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-30T11:20:53.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:21:03.863000+08:00","text":"其實這次生日的活動很多人都非常期待，光是我身邊的朋友，大家都很期待自己的生日可以被觀光署祝福。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:21:03.863000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:21:05.284000+08:00","text":"這樣好像生日在前面的比較虧。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-30T11:21:05.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:21:23.236000+08:00","text":"對，所以這件事情我們現在可能要再重新調整一下，當初希望的是最少從2月份開始，這樣至少可以追認到1月份，因此跟生日有關的部分，我們可能要想辦法彌補一下這些1到6月份生日的人。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:21:25.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:21:28.820000+08:00","text":"我們可以用一次抽的方式，就是1到12月份……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:21:28.840000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多部會的重視，我想我們還是要審慎要求相關部會應該要評估這樣的一個機制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:16.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:25:33.722000+08:00","text":"另外，馬來西亞的Grab預計要收購foodpanda，但是有人去了解到他們跟中國華為的花瓣地圖有深度合作，甚至有共享圖資的協定，部長有沒有掌握這樣的狀況？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:33.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:25:37.566000+08:00","text":"報告委員，他們的圖資部分我不曉得，但是有聽說Grab集團要來收購foodpanda，這個訊息有了解。","quality":0.587},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:41.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:25:58.636000+08:00","text":"這個部分一旦讓他們進入臺灣，有可能全臺灣好幾百萬的外送用戶個資就馬上會透過他們的系統傳回到中國大陸，我想這也是一個很嚴重的國安問題，你們有沒有針對這個部分先做因應的準備？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:25:59.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:09.220000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，他們的個資防護計畫必須要提出來，不過收購的部分關係到很多的部會，我們會跟其他部會大家一起合作，來嚴格了解這個議題。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:11.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:20.974000+08:00","text":"部長，我想這個部分交通部還是責無旁貸，你們是外送平臺的主管機關，應該來主導這個案子，趕快把相關部會做一個整合，好不好？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:21.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:21.535000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題，謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:21.535000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:22.535000+08:00","text":"不然大家的資料都傳過去就糟糕了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:21.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:21.955000+08:00","text":"好，這個我們會注意。謝謝。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:22.455000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:23.597857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:23.897857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:26.469286+08:00","text":"非常感謝徐富癸委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:26.769286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:30.197857+08:00","text":"接下來邀請許智傑委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}