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對不對那跨縣市的部分現在有處理嘛"},{"start":499.188,"end":518.477,"text":"跨縣市的部分我們也鼓勵朝這個方向來做處理譬如說舉個例子台中的和平山區他本來就是幸福小王在那邊但是山區一跨過來就到南投所以我們也鼓勵南投縣政府跟台中市政府那現在有一條線就是直接用幸福巴士來做這個跨縣市聯營的這樣子的一個方式"},{"start":518.837,"end":534.947,"text":"那所以未來比如說剛剛委員所提到如果說像在高雄市地區跟屏東這邊剛好在山區有相隔這部分的話我們會跟高雄市跟屏東新政府來研議看看如何鼓勵他們如何做一個整合"},{"start":535.567,"end":554.804,"text":"我的意思是說請局長跟部長大概可以思考一下114年公路局補助公路客運8.2億元也就是說反正虧了8.2億元所以這個部分就由我們去補助那我去了解最大的問題應該是跨縣市的問題"},{"start":557.386,"end":567.934,"text":"那跨縣市你要地方政府做他自己的縣市內的事可能要叫他跨縣市除非是我們公路局除免溝通或者是坐東"},{"start":569.437,"end":587.464,"text":"才有機會把這個跨縣市的問題做一個連接所以我是認為說這8.2億的經費來改成怎麼樣去調整變成幸福巴士或幸福小黃然後跨縣市的公路局可能辛苦一點怎麼樣去溝通縣市"},{"start":588.884,"end":604.819,"text":"那怎麼樣去補助然後這8.21元可以解決的就是說一來節省能源可以有更高的效率二來這個包括司機缺工的問題也可以解決所以我是認為這一個方案"},{"start":605.74,"end":623.724,"text":"可能需要交通部跟公路局再做一個更詳細的研究那這樣子可以解決這些問題我想都是皆大歡喜眾人之福所以這個方向是不是請那個公路局也研議把它擴大增加班次這樣好不好"},{"start":625.717,"end":650.792,"text":"委員這個建議非常好我們跟地方政府共同來合作朝這個方向來那我們希望說下次有機會就可以看到成果給我們報告一下有一點壓力有一點成果的時間的壓力那個公路局就會比較積極了那當然也辛苦你們了我想這個是對的方向需要我們一起去努力報告委員公路局業務都非常積極好謝謝感恩"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:47.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:47.551000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們先請觀光署。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:47.551000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:48.551000+08:00","text":"請陳署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:48.551000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:26:49.551000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:26:47.651000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:21.528000+08:00","text":"署長，2025觀光數位博覽會在高雄第一次舉辦，那一天本來要請署長下去參觀一下，但因為當時署長是第一天接任，我知道你比較忙，所以就沒有請您下去。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:22.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:27:51.566000+08:00","text":"不過其實這一個博覽會的風評滿好的，那一天的AI煮拉麵，除了松山機場有，我們高雄機場現在也有了，另外還有機器人手沖咖啡，在那一天也有展示，效果也還不錯。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:27:51.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:28:11.289000+08:00","text":"我去查了一下資料，臺灣人平均一年喝180杯咖啡，韓國人喝500杯咖啡，所以將來這個市場應該是滿大的。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:28:11.989000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:28:32.969000+08:00","text":"那一天很多高雄人去參觀以後，發現很多東西都滿好用的，包括即時翻譯，現在觀光署也有做出即時翻譯的軟體，其實不錯，所以我想獲得好評的博覽會高雄是不是可以繼續辦理？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-30T11:28:34.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:28:47.734000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員支持，以及對我們這個項目的肯定，今年觀光署確實還是會在高雄辦一場，預計是在8月，所以高雄、南部的產業包含轉型都是我們非常重視的。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:28:48.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:28:54.176000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，所以這也讓部長知道一下，我們要高雄繼續辦。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:28:54.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:28:56.457000+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:28:56.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:28:57.557000+08:00","text":"請陳世凱部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:29:05.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:29:12.072000+08:00","text":"跟部長報告一下，現在觀光業缺工狀況真的是滿嚴重的。對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:29:14.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:29:35.856000+08:00","text":"整個缺工的狀況，交通部除了最直接的觀光署旅宿業之外，還包括公路局的客運司機、郵局跟臺鐵公司的員工，事實上都缺得相當嚴重。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:29:35.856000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:29:37.938000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:29:37.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:29:40.021000+08:00","text":"交通部有沒有一個整體的概念？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:29:40.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:29:46.584000+08:00","text":"就是對於整體服務業缺工的問題可以解決嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:29:46.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:30:06.351000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，當然各個行業其實都在缺工，所以我們過去針對公車司機、客運司機，包含旅宿業所需要的用人部分，我們優先考慮國內的勞工，我們有很多的方案，希望能夠促進大家的就業，公路局做了很多、觀光署也做了很多。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:30:06.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:30:20.718000+08:00","text":"不過大家最近會覺得國內的勞工可能還是無法補足，所以我們也跟勞動部請求協助，就是針對僑外生及移工的部分，看怎麼樣來補充我們這方面的人力。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:30:21.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:30:35.206000+08:00","text":"目前在觀光的部分，應該5月或6月就有機會可以有僑外生或移工進來協助；至於公路客運司機的部分，目前我們跟勞動部正在討論當中。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:30:35.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:30:52.453000+08:00","text":"我現在有個具體的想法跟部長商量一下，比如像我們的旅宿業，旅宿業的問題其實就是禮拜一到禮拜五的客人比較少，所以他們要請工也請得不足。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:30:55.815000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:31:12.129000+08:00","text":"有關旅宿業的國內旅遊補助，這一次的預算會審查到，部長跟署長，這個部分是不是跟大家講一下要如何來協助國內旅宿業的發展？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-30T11:31:15.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:31:57.021000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心，國內目前國旅基本上是過度集中，都是在連續假期或是禮拜六、禮拜天，這樣的狀況造成平日的部分就相對比較少，所以這次的擴大內需就是針對平日住宿提供補助，我認為國旅最適合的就是三天兩夜，所以我們第一天補800、第二天補1,200，就是希望讓國人多留一天，這樣才比較能真正地認識跟旅遊，因為只有兩天一夜，坦白講第一天都匆匆忙忙，睡個覺、吃個飯，大概就結束了旅程……","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:31:57.021000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:31:58.021000+08:00","text":"所以是補助三天兩夜？對。OK。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-30T11:31:57.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:32:00.123000+08:00","text":"所以我們認為三天兩夜是最適合的國旅天數。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:32:00.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:32:06.977000+08:00","text":"我想旅宿業的勞工問題，現在我們也可以申請了，對不對？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳署長玉秀","start":"2026-04-30T11:32:06.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:32:07.717000+08:00","text":"對，這個基本上有一直在……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:32:08.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:32:20.267000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分已經有改進了，那國內旅遊補助的部分，也希望在野黨各黨可以同意，交通部跟觀光署會比較好做事。謝謝。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:32:20.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:32:24.690000+08:00","text":"這個部分，我們希望有聽到的在野黨委員可以儘量協助。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:32:26.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:33:19.173000+08:00","text":"再來第三個就是公車，現在客運司機真的是都不夠，我想請部長跟局長研究一下，我們高雄市的幸福巴士跟幸福小黃，其實這個措施蠻好的，就是今天大車的司機不夠，但小車像是幸福巴士跟幸福小黃不需要大車的駕照，有一些偏鄉事實上也不需要用大車去浪費太多的能源，有時候你到偏鄉，一臺大車其實坐不到幾個人，用這樣的方式，公路局是不是能夠研商有沒有機會可以調整？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T11:33:22.658000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:33:36.944000+08:00","text":"我大概分兩個部分跟委員報告，一個部分是公路局自己主管的公路客運，另外一個部分是地方的市區客運，這兩個範疇的路線基本上都是往委員現在建議的方向在做調整。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T11:33:37.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:34:09.311000+08:00","text":"第一個，就我們自己公路客運的部分，很多定期定班的班線沒辦法開的話，比如在彰化、嘉義地區等等，我們都轉換成幸福巴士預約的方式來做處理；在市區客運的部分，尤其剛剛委員所提到的高雄市，小黃公車的部分占了很大的比例，當時公路局跟交通局這樣的合作就是針對高雄市比較偏鄉的這些山區鄉村來做處理。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T11:34:09.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:34:34.290000+08:00","text":"所以在南部地區，如屏東跟高雄用小車來替代大車的這個部分，目前是做得蠻成功的，在明年我們希望達到部長所說的鄉鄉有公車，公車的部分在偏鄉有一大部分比例就是用這樣的方式來做處理，所以大車缺員的部分是轉換成小車的駕駛來補足。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:34:37.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:34:54.077000+08:00","text":"對，所以讓部長知道一下，其實我們高雄市從陳菊市長任內開始推，事實上真的是效果不錯，我認為一個效果不錯的政策應該推廣到全國，剛剛局長報告目前有朝這個方向。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:34:54.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:01.979000+08:00","text":"另外就是跨縣市的部分，因為局長剛剛提到是縣市自己處理，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:02.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:04.200000+08:00","text":"跨縣市的部分現在有處理嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:05.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:08.470000+08:00","text":"跨縣市的部分，我們也鼓勵朝這個方向來做處理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:09.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:24.457000+08:00","text":"舉個例子，臺中的和平山區本來就有幸福小黃，但是山區一跨過來就到南投，所以我們也鼓勵南投縣政府跟臺中市政府，現在有一條線就是直接用幸福巴士來做跨縣市聯營的方式。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:24.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:40.927000+08:00","text":"所以未來，像剛剛委員所提到的，在高雄市地區跟屏東這邊，剛好在山區有相隔的部分，我們會跟高雄市及屏東縣政府來研議看看如何鼓勵他們做一個整合。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:41.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:35:57.121000+08:00","text":"對，我的意思是，請局長跟部長可以思考一下，114年公路局補助公路客運8.2億元，也就是說反正虧了8.2億元嘛，所以這個部分就由我們去補助。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:35:58.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:35.925000+08:00","text":"我去了解，最大的問題應該是跨縣市的問題，你要地方政府做他自己縣市內的事，要叫他跨縣市，除非是公路局出面溝通或者是作東，才有機會把跨縣市的問題做連結，所以我是認為這8.2億的經費怎麼樣調整為幸福巴士或幸福小黃，跨縣市的部分，公路局可能辛苦一點，看怎麼樣去溝通縣市間，怎麼樣去補助。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:38.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:36:48.857000+08:00","text":"而這8.2億元可以解決的，一來是節省能源，可以有更高的效率；二來，包括司機缺工的問題也可以解決。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:36:49.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:09.563000+08:00","text":"我是認為這個方案可能需要交通部跟公路局再做更詳細的研究，這樣可以解決這些問題，我想都是皆大歡喜、眾人之福，所以這個方向是不是請公路局研議把它擴大、增加班次，這樣好不好？","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:09.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:17.040000+08:00","text":"好，委員這個建議非常好，我們跟地方政府共同來合作，朝這個方向來努力。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:17.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:21.763000+08:00","text":"好，我們希望下次有機會就可以看到成果，跟我們報告一下。好，是。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:23.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:33.290000+08:00","text":"有一點壓力就有一點成果，有時間的壓力，公路局就會比較積極，當然也辛苦你們了，我想這是對的方向，需要我們一起去努力。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"林局長福山","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:34.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:35.892000+08:00","text":"報告委員，公路局在業務推行上都非常積極。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"許委員智傑","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:35.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:36.772000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，感恩。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:37.272000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:38.414857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:38.714857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:41.286286+08:00","text":"非常感謝許智傑委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:41.586286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:37:45.586286+08:00","text":"接下來我們邀請陳清龍委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}