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要八百萬有沒有包括人員訓練我不知道台鐵港務公司要八百八十萬人員訓練有沒有包括我不知道淘機要七百一十萬有沒有包括人員訓練同樣都要購買無人機"},{"start":533.996,"end":561.543,"text":"整個單價整個項目整個系統我們沒辦法很精確在這個過程當中我就要跟交通部這邊也要特別來提醒我想無人機的操作需要專業人員需要證照這一部分一定要考慮那每一個無人機它的迭代更新很快它更新很快它可能在一年兩年"},{"start":562.583,"end":571.475,"text":"他的一個節債更新又有更好更景仰的還沒有用到一定現在就要賠預算就要買嘛就是我剛剛講的中華郵政"},{"start":574.815,"end":597.872,"text":"對不對還有我們港匯公司因人所周還沒有很確定喔還沒有結論你就要編就要買這個真的要考量到預算真的編列的需求跟他的起搏性這是編列預算的一個基本問題他也需要先買來然後要做測試跟人員訓練您剛剛一直在提醒人員訓練跟測試這個部分如果沒有無人機進來那沒有辦法做訓練也沒有辦法做測試所以我們是希望說"},{"start":603.155,"end":610.357,"text":"我最主要要提醒一點不要經濟部花了400多億來輔助我們無人機的產業然後我們工部門每個部門都要編無人機的預算去幫經濟部輔導的廠商來買無人機用公務預算來支持無人機產業用公務預算來買無人機產業每個部位每個單位都要買我就要"},{"start":630.902,"end":633.346,"text":"各三位注意到這樣的一個情況好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:37:56.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:09.175000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們邀請部長，還有臺灣港務公司的董事長、中華郵政的王董事長、桃機的范總經理、臺鐵的鄭董事長。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:09.175000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:10.175000+08:00","text":"請陳世凱部長、港務公司周董事長、中華郵政王董事長、桃機范總經理、臺鐵鄭董事長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:09.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:09.335000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:09.335000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:23.433000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:23.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:38:53.724000+08:00","text":"最近無人機的產業變成一個很重大的議題，我看到交通部115年度的預算，有編列預算補助我剛剛邀請的這四個單位的無人機預算，我想要了解每個單位的補助。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:38:57.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:39:29.666000+08:00","text":"有關每個單位的補助，中華郵政是補助800萬，臺鐵105萬，港務公司880萬，桃機710萬，國道基金1,514萬5,000元，每個單位的金額差距非常大。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:39:36.624000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:09.124000+08:00","text":"去年行政院有宣布要將無人載具的產業發展應用納入國家的重要政策，由經濟部主導投資442億來進行無人機產業跨部會的協作，協助我們產業升級，交通部很配合，今年就編了預算，就給剛剛我談到的這幾個事業單位也好、我們的部門也好，編了這樣一個預算。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:10.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:17.831000+08:00","text":"在這裡我請教我們編列這樣預算的根據在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:17.831000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:23.135000+08:00","text":"臺鐵105萬，跟中華郵政、港務公司以及桃機的710萬，這個預算怎麼去區分，為什麼臺鐵才105萬？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:31.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:33.518000+08:00","text":"交通部長要回答還是臺鐵公司？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:34.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:45.524000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，臺鐵公司給我們的資料裡面，它的這個105萬所使用的是教育訓練還有橋梁邊坡建築設施的巡查，用無人機去巡查，所以教育訓練有放在裡面……","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:46.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:47.284000+08:00","text":"所以教育訓練有在裡面？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:47.865000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:48.625000+08:00","text":"對，教育訓練有放在裡面。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:48.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:55.969000+08:00","text":"包括教育訓練才105萬，所以無人機是要買一部、兩部、三部？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:57.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:40:58.591000+08:00","text":"請教董事長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T11:40:58.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:05.458000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，現在編給我們的105萬準備買七架……七架？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:08.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:13.006000+08:00","text":"因為全臺灣我們有七個工務段，每一個工務段有一架無人機做巡檢……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:13.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:14.788000+08:00","text":"所以一個工務段一架？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:16.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:21.212000+08:00","text":"是，目前我們已經有兩架了，所以需要的話我們再增加……","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:21.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:23.032000+08:00","text":"所以臺鐵105萬就夠了？是的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:24.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:28.315000+08:00","text":"還包括人員訓練在內，而且該名人員還要有證照。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:28.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:30.656000+08:00","text":"其實我是在幫臺鐵爭取，不過你自己說夠就好了！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:30.656000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:31.836000+08:00","text":"報告委員，明年與後年都有編。","quality":0.083},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:31.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:41:32.817000+08:00","text":"接下來我對中華郵政與港務公司有點意見。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:41:40.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:42:18.257000+08:00","text":"我先請教運輸研究所，針對無人機的運用，運輸研究所曾在112年到115年編列預算，針對中華郵政及港務公司使用無人機進行效益及成效評估，包括技術指引、能不能落地等實際應用在內。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:42:18.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:42:19.438000+08:00","text":"運研所這邊有結論了嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"黃所長新薰","start":"2026-04-30T11:42:23.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:42:31.817000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，從112年到113年我們針對所謂的技術驗證做了研究。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"黃所長新薰","start":"2026-04-30T11:42:33.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:42:42.226000+08:00","text":"從去年到今年，我們與中華郵政做了兩件事情：一個就是物流配送，我們在屏東、花蓮……","quality":0.912},{"speak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2026-04-30T11:44:39.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:44:45.927000+08:00","text":"但是我跟委員報告，今年最重要的是固定路線，因為過去都是分點測試，今年會固定路線來……","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:44:45.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:44:45.927000+08:00","text":"確定了？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:44:45.927000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:44:46.927000+08:00","text":"我只要確定中華郵政確定了。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:44:46.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:44:46.767000+08:00","text":"港務公司呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:44:46.767000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:44:51.673000+08:00","text":"你要買多少架？","quality":0},{"speaker":"周董事長永暉","start":"2026-04-30T11:44:51.673000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:44:53.955000+08:00","text":"我們是港區巡檢九架。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:44:54.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:44:56.317000+08:00","text":"你要買九架？對。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:01.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:02.763000+08:00","text":"好，你確定就好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:03.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:09.401000+08:00","text":"我再請教桃機，桃機買無人機要幹什麼？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:09.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:27.758000+08:00","text":"根據民航法第九十九條之十三規定，桃園機場包括禁航區、限航區，包括航空站在內，在一定距離內都禁止無人機活動。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:27.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:28.939000+08:00","text":"所以我請問桃機買無人機要幹什麼？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"范總經理孝倫","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:32.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:38.037000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前這筆預算桃機準備買三套……三套？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"范總經理孝倫","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:39.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:47.661000+08:00","text":"功能主要設定在巡場、巡視與監控功能，所以我們設定的功能會比較高……","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:47.661000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:48.661000+08:00","text":"能飛嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:48.661000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:49.661000+08:00","text":"怎麼飛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:47.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:52.423000+08:00","text":"要跟民航局申請才能飛，還是桃機自己就可以飛？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:52.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:45:53.544000+08:00","text":"而且可以在禁航區飛？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"范總經理孝倫","start":"2026-04-30T11:45:54.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:46:14.328000+08:00","text":"這部分我們一定會依照規定提出申請，桃園機場對無人機的使用是一個非常嚴肅的課題，所以我們也建置了相關防制系統，未來在使用上一定會依照規定向民航局提出申請。好。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:46:15.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:46:31.720000+08:00","text":"今天我在這裡提出質疑，從臺鐵只要105萬，而且包括人員的訓練在內；到中華郵政要多少錢？800萬！","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:46:31.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:46:33.101000+08:00","text":"有沒有包括人員訓練？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:46:33.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:46:33.521000+08:00","text":"我不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:46:35.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:46:39.366000+08:00","text":"港務公司要880萬，人員訓練有沒有包括？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:46:39.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:46:39.946000+08:00","text":"我不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:46:41.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:46:44.630000+08:00","text":"桃機要710萬，有沒有包括人員訓練？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:46:44.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:46:55.598000+08:00","text":"同樣都要購買無人機，但從整個單價、項目到系統都沒辦法很精確！","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:46:57.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:05.280000+08:00","text":"所以我要特別提醒交通部，無人機的操作需要有證照的專業人員……當然。","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:06.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:08.661000+08:00","text":"這部分一定要考慮進去。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:10.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:20.888000+08:00","text":"無人機的迭代更新很快，可能一年、兩年內就迭代更新，又出現更好、更精良的。","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:21.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:25.274000+08:00","text":"既然還沒用到，難道一定要現在編預算買嗎？","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:25.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:30.776000+08:00","text":"這就是我剛剛講的，中華郵政及港務公司的問題！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:32.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:37.961000+08:00","text":"運研所的研究都還沒有很確定、也還沒有結論時就要編、就要買？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:37.961000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:41.143500+08:00","text":"所以我認為必須考量真正的需求與其急迫性來編列預算。","quality":0.292},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:41.143500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:44.326000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:44.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:45.887000+08:00","text":"這是編列預算的基本原則嘛。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:46.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:50.970000+08:00","text":"但也需要先買來做測試與人員訓練，您剛剛一直在提醒人員訓練跟測試。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:50.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:47:52.851000+08:00","text":"這部分如果沒有無人機進來的話，就沒有辦法做訓練，也沒有辦法做測試，所以我們是希望……","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍：我最主要是提醒一點","start":"2026-04-30T11:47:59.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:48:05.117000+08:00","text":"不要因為經濟部花了四百多億輔助無人機產業，就導致每個公部門都編無人機預算去幫經濟部輔導的廠商買無人機，就用公務預算來支持無人機產業，就用公務預算來買無人機，而且每個部會、每個單位都要買！","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍：我最主要是提醒一點","start":"2026-04-30T11:48:05.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T11:48:28.346000+08:00","text":"我希望各單位要注意到這樣的情況，謝謝。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T11:48:28.846000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:48:30.560286+08:00","text":"謝謝委員提醒。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員清龍","start":"2026-04-30T11:48:30.860286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:48:32.003143+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:48:32.303143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:48:34.303143+08:00","text":"感謝陳清龍委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T11:48:34.603143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T11:48:37.746000+08:00","text":"接下來請黃健豪召委發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}