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要八百萬有沒有包括人員訓練我不知道台鐵港務公司要八百八十萬人員訓練有沒有包括我不知道淘機要七百一十萬有沒有包括人員訓練同樣都要購買無人機"},{"start":533.996,"end":561.543,"text":"整個單價整個項目整個系統我們沒辦法很精確在這個過程當中我就要跟交通部這邊也要特別來提醒我想無人機的操作需要專業人員需要證照這一部分一定要考慮那每一個無人機它的迭代更新很快它更新很快它可能在一年兩年"},{"start":562.583,"end":571.475,"text":"他的一個節債更新又有更好更景仰的還沒有用到一定現在就要賠預算就要買嘛就是我剛剛講的中華郵政"},{"start":574.815,"end":597.872,"text":"對不對還有我們港匯公司因人所周還沒有很確定喔還沒有結論你就要編就要買這個真的要考量到預算真的編列的需求跟他的起搏性這是編列預算的一個基本問題他也需要先買來然後要做測試跟人員訓練您剛剛一直在提醒人員訓練跟測試這個部分如果沒有無人機進來那沒有辦法做訓練也沒有辦法做測試所以我們是希望說"},{"start":603.155,"end":610.357,"text":"我最主要要提醒一點不要經濟部花了400多億來輔助我們無人機的產業然後我們工部門每個部門都要編無人機的預算去幫經濟部輔導的廠商來買無人機用公務預算來支持無人機產業用公務預算來買無人機產業每個部位每個單位都要買我就要"},{"start":630.902,"end":633.346,"text":"各三位注意到這樣的一個情況好 謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}