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:06.606000+08:00","text":"因為報告也有指出，在該路段通常都是從時速100，然後馬上要降到限速60，所以這邊也請教部長一個問題，如果一個設計在完全不能犯錯的情況下才叫安全，那這樣的設計算安全嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-04-30T12:10:07.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:10:30.625000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們都會有容錯空間啦，那您建議的部分，應該是說希望容錯空間再做更大一點，目前我們有做初步的改善，您剛剛所提到的那個車禍是因為酒駕，不是容錯空間的問題，我們還要再看一段時間，就是說我們目前的改善有沒有達到降低死亡率的目的，我們希望能夠達到這樣的目的。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:10:31.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:10:36.569000+08:00","text":"運安會也有說之後會到現場，高公局你們這邊會一起進行現勘嗎？","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:10:37.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:10:39.351000+08:00","text":"已經有安排了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳局長文瑞","start":"2026-04-30T12:10:39.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:10:56.175000+08:00","text":"對，已經勘查過了，就是進行相關優化，另外就是運安會這次的報告主要是希望未來在一些規劃設計包括容錯的部分，做一些交通安全的檢核制度，這個部分，部裡面包括我們高公局跟運研所其實都有在往前進。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:10:57.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:01.570000+08:00","text":"因為已經發生太多起事故，請部長跟局長要再重視。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳局長文瑞","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:01.570000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:02.570000+08:00","text":"是，了解。是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:01.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:10.239000+08:00","text":"部長和局長先請回座休息，我這邊邀請鐵道局楊局長，還有臺鐵公司鄭董事長。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:10.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:10.499000+08:00","text":"請鐵道局楊局長、請臺鐵鄭董事長。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:21.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:21.718000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:22.178000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:22.418000+08:00","text":"局長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:22.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:26.300000+08:00","text":"局長，您知道內壢臨時軌道切換的問題嗎？了解。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:26.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:35.204000+08:00","text":"雖然你們先前已經發布訊息，也表示你們……你們是不是有預見當時月台人潮會比較擠？有。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:36.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:40.966000+08:00","text":"那你們有做過相關的評估嗎？有。對……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:40.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:42.486000+08:00","text":"董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:42.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:48.375000+08:00","text":"是，針對這個事情，我們跟鐵道局有做相當多的評估……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:11:48.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:11:59.747000+08:00","text":"這邊想先向董事長了解，你們也知道這個月台要封閉，周邊的交通也會連帶受影響，那你們有沒有實際去計算，這個月台封閉之後，你們每小時可以容納多少旅客？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:00.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:02.130000+08:00","text":"實際在尖峰時刻進出的旅客是多少？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:03.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:08.968000+08:00","text":"我們有評估，這整個大概會影響兩到三分鐘，所以……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:08.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:10.449000+08:00","text":"只有兩到三分鐘嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:10.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:15.911000+08:00","text":"因為地方民眾的通勤族說，他們看了7台的火車經過之後……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:16.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:20.814000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我剛才講的是站上旅客等候的時間，至於平交道……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:22.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:25.776000+08:00","text":"對於在月台上所造成的延誤，你們有沒有一併評估進去？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:26.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:39.065000+08:00","text":"都有，有關剛才委員所提到的平交道，我們在了解這個情況以後，也確實知道在27號的時候，有看到這個平交道可能要等到7個車次。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:39.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:05.759000+08:00","text":"我們在28號就跟鐵道局趕快會商，那天晚上就決定，從29號開始我們就作了兩個很重要的決定，我們會在安全無虞之下，提高我們的速度，從40到60，同時也會在尖峰時段減班運行，也就是說我們在早上的尖峰時段減了南下的一個班次，處理完以後，現在已經非常好了。","quality":0.79},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:05.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:21.511000+08:00","text":"沒關係，謝謝董事長的說明，我這邊也和局長確認，因為這個工程會到6月7號，所以在6月7號之前，臺鐵和鐵道局，還有我們桃園市政府的交通局，你們在4月28號有沒有一起共同進行討論？有。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:21.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:23.613000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我想這段時間……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:23.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:27.358000+08:00","text":"到6月7號這個工程可以如期、如質、如時地完成嗎？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:29.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:52.329000+08:00","text":"後續還有一個所謂道岔橫渡線的增設工程，這個部分我們還在跟桃園市政府還有臺鐵公司持續協商，但是這兩天採取的所有改善作為，我們可以很清楚地看到平交道的遮蔽率跟通行的狀況已經得到相當的改善了，也就是透過道路紅綠燈相關的整合跟協調。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:53.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:59.411000+08:00","text":"好，那就再請鐵道局跟臺鐵，密切地和地方保持溝通。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:59.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:01.211000+08:00","text":"會，我們一定會高度重視這個問題。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:01.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:06.553000+08:00","text":"不管是在月台上面還是鐵道周邊，都不要影響到我們通行的國人。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:06.553000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:07.553000+08:00","text":"是，我們一定會高度地重視這個問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭董事長光遠","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:07.553000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:08.553000+08:00","text":"沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:07.133000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:07.573000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝局長、謝謝董事長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:08.073000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:10.073000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱若華委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:10.373000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:14.944429+08:00","text":"接下來，洪毓祥、洪毓祥、洪毓祥委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:15.244429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:18.958714+08:00","text":"賴士葆、賴士葆、賴士葆委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:19.258714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:22.973000+08:00","text":"葉元之、葉元之、葉元之委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:23.273000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:26.987286+08:00","text":"蔡易餘、蔡易餘、蔡易餘委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:27.287286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:29.858714+08:00","text":"第一，報告及詢答完畢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:30.158714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:36.444429+08:00","text":"第二，委員洪毓祥所提書面質詢列入紀錄並刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:36.744429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:49.601571+08:00","text":"第三，委員於質詢中要求提供的相關書面資料，或未及答復部分，請工程會、交通部及相關單位儘速以書面答復。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}