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國發基金又投了38%最後這個電影是到4月大概票房不到5000萬所以國發基金就是要虧那我想問諸位 請問一下這個是文化部的問題還是您的問題"},{"start":345.587,"end":366.585,"text":"簡短回答就是我們尊重文化部的專業嘛因為我們國發基金也不是搞那個文化所以國發基金就是你只是負責給錢然後績效你都不會去了解你也都不去看我們會成立一個投資觀念那就是你的態度啊我們會成立一個投資觀念沒有 我們的態度是會成立一個平台的管理"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:00.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:15.576000+08:00","text":"主席，麻煩請國發會主委，謝謝。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:15.576000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:16.276000+08:00","text":"請國發會葉主委。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:16.276000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:23.446000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:23.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:23.546000+08:00","text":"主委早。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:24.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:12:40.073000+08:00","text":"我跟主委請教一下，我們對美國的談判，政府雖然一直講最後談的結果是要直接投資美國2,500億，然後加上信保基金的2,500億，這不是兩個相加，不是5,000億，這是我們政府一直在告訴大家的事情。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:12:40.813000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:02.827000+08:00","text":"不過，前幾天美國的商務部長盧特尼克又再次講說臺灣的5,000億美金已經在路上，這是盧特尼克講的，然後川普說，未來美國的晶片生產要占全球的一半，所以，很顯然美國官員的講法跟臺灣官員的講法完全不一樣。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:03.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:20.683000+08:00","text":"我想要問主委的是，之前我看到有關於2,500億政府信保基金的部分，國發會說要由國發會來負責，然後國發會跟公股來聯合處理，是有這個事嘛，國發會之前有這樣講過嘛，對不對？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:20.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:23.186000+08:00","text":"沒有，不只是公股，還有民營的……金融機構。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:23.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:27.171000+08:00","text":"對，就是反正國發基金有嘛，國發基金是有的嘛。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:27.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:28.232000+08:00","text":"對，國發基金有。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:29.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:41.099000+08:00","text":"我非常擔心一件事情，因為我們國發基金常常在投資的時候會有政策考量，他不會完全以損益來算……","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:41.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:13:57.504000+08:00","text":"這個部分跟委員分享，國發基金設立四十幾年以來，行政院專案只有14件而已，所以委員剛剛講的那個，可能資料委員回去再檢查一下，可能不是那麼的確實，我們這邊得到的是只有14件而已……","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:57.504000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:00.285000+08:00","text":"不是，你是14件什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:00.285000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:02.986000+08:00","text":"四十幾年來只有14件是行政院專案核可的。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:03.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:03.946000+08:00","text":"那其他的呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:04.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:04.667000+08:00","text":"其他的……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:05.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:05.667000+08:00","text":"其他的是基金投資的部分？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:06.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:10.449000+08:00","text":"對啊，就是直投或者是那個百億基金啊，所以……對啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:10.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:11.250000+08:00","text":"這個資訊跟委員好像……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:12.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:14.231000+08:00","text":"不、不、不、不、不，但是這個錢還是都是國發基金出的嘛……","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:14.231000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:15.231000+08:00","text":"對對對，但是……","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:14.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:18.333000+08:00","text":"那國發基金不能夠講說，國發基金然後別人跟我要，我就不管啦！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:18.333000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:19.333000+08:00","text":"現在你的意思是說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:19.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:21.054000+08:00","text":"但是我這邊想要跟委員溝通的是說，行政院專案的部分沒有那麼多啦……","quality":0.586},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:21.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:27.818000+08:00","text":"主委，你不用那麼緊張，我都還沒有問問題，你不用那麼緊張啦，你真的不用這麼緊張啦！","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:27.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:28.498000+08:00","text":"沒有，不會，我不緊張，我不會很緊張，不會……","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:28.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:32.180000+08:00","text":"真的不用那麼緊張，我都還沒有問問題耶，你就直接說我資訊錯誤。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:32.180000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:46.187000+08:00","text":"國發基金就是這麼多，各個單位來跟你申請，你當然可以要或不要嘛，你不能說別人跟我要我就給，至於說最後投資績效好或不好，那就不關我的事，然後我們在講投資績效的時候，你就說那你去找各單位，跟我沒關係，我直接投資只有14件，資料是錯誤的。","quality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,{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:57.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:59.232000+08:00","text":"你上一個主委就說要……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:59.232000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:00.232000+08:00","text":"就只有100億而已。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:59.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:09.218000+08:00","text":"上一個主委就已經證實了，李遠要再多要100億的基金去投資OTT的內容嘛，你又說你沒聽說……","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:09.218000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:10.218000+08:00","text":"這可能要問劉主委吧。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:10.218000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:11.218000+08:00","text":"好，發言時間已到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:09.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:09.778000+08:00","text":"我問最後一個問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:10.339000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:13.982000+08:00","text":"譬如說像比如說我舉一個九把刀的電影，他國發……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:13.982000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:14.982000+08:00","text":"好，發言時間已到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:14.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:16.684000+08:00","text":"多1分鐘啦，剛剛他……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:16.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:19.626000+08:00","text":"不是你說1分鐘就1分鐘，大家都準時下來……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:19.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:21.427000+08:00","text":"哪有，剛剛我就看到其他委員就沒有。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:21.427000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:22.427000+08:00","text":"我已經多給你2分鐘了耶。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:22.427000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:23.427000+08:00","text":"再1分鐘啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:23.427000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:24.427000+08:00","text":"讓我問完啦！不，20秒。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:22.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:27.213000+08:00","text":"國發基金在九把刀的電影投資了1.07億，他總共要募2.65億，國發基金就投了38%，最後這個電影到4月大概票房不到5,000萬，所以國發基金就是要虧。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:27.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:27.833000+08:00","text":"那我想問主委，請問一下這是文化部的問題，還是您的問題？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:45.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:45.868000+08:00","text":"好，簡短回答。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:47.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:54.094000+08:00","text":"就是我們尊重文化部的專業嘛，因為我們國發基金也不是搞那個文化的啊！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:54.094000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:55.094000+08:00","text":"尊重文化部？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:54.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:01.440000+08:00","text":"所以國發基金就是你只是負責給錢，然後績效你都不會去了解，你也都不去看？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:01.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:02.922000+08:00","text":"沒有，但之後我們會成立一個投資管理平臺……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:03.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:04.323000+08:00","text":"那就是你的態度嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:05.043000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:05.444000+08:00","text":"我們會成立管理平臺……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:05.444000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:06.444000+08:00","text":"好，你已經超過……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:06.444000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:07.444000+08:00","text":"沒關係啦，主委，這就是你的態度啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:07.444000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:08.444000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:05.944000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:06.565000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們的態度是會成立一個平臺來管理。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:07.065000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:08.493571+08:00","text":"主委先請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:08.793571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:12.793571+08:00","text":"下一位羅明才、羅明才、羅明才不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:13.093571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:19.950714+08:00","text":"登記發言委員除不在場者外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:20.250714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:28.250714+08:00","text":"委員洪孟楷、徐欣瑩、張嘉郡、陳超明所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:28.550714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:41.122143+08:00","text":"書面質詢及未及答復部分，請相關單位於一週之內以書面答復並副知本會，委員另有要求期限者從其所定。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}