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為什麼因為當時1.9%是比照原住民人口2%但是上面有講必須要依需求逐年成長確保培育原住民所需的人才所以現在人口比例已經來到2.5我知道剛才部長您報告的資料裡面有講"},{"start":670.345,"end":695.56,"text":"115年度說是2.54但是我要跟部長講去年1.9 前年1.9以前都法定比例1.9為什麼今年會變2.54 您應該很清楚知道母數變少了今年的母數變少了所以這個2.54是不對的但是如果教育部覺得這個2.54很棒那我覺得這次的修法 部長你可以支持嗎"},{"start":696.44,"end":715.157,"text":"我想我們一起努力確實原住民教育這個怎麼樣從品質到它的升協包括就業生涯的發展給予更大的一些支持因為我們要做的事情很多評普組也要加入那這些預算應該都不敷使用了那希望部長教育部能夠支持謝謝部長 謝謝主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:09:05.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:09:05.330000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:09:07.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:09:12.497000+08:00","text":"請大家安靜用餐，耳朵打開就可以了，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:13:30.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:01.033000+08:00","text":"所以我特別在這個地方要請教育部……我非常高興，我覺得現在就是一個最好的時候、最好的時代，我看到考試院周弘憲院長、考選部劉孟奇部長，他們都非常認真，部長來過我的辦公室兩次，就是特別談原住民的公務人才培育，已經有方案。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:02.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:18.723000+08:00","text":"我也很高興，原民會的曾智勇主委或教育部的鄭英耀部長，甚至是每一位司長，配合度都非常高，都同心戮力希望能夠把原住民人才培育做好。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:20.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:40.484000+08:00","text":"在這邊我常常要求我們應該要有一個上位的思考，教育部、原民會應該把……如果原住民自治是一個目標，我們就要知道我們要培育什麼人才、我們缺什麼人才、我們應該怎麼跟頂大合作，甚至銜接到高中以下，這是很重要的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:40.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:14:57.715000+08:00","text":"而不是像之前原專班要申請就申請，結果現在非常多被批評討論的地方，我很高興教育部、原民會、考選部，大家願意一同為原住民未來的人才培育努力。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:14:58.195000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:15:11.279000+08:00","text":"我是不是可以請部長或高教司長簡短回應一下，在高教人才培育，甚至是很多大學缺乏原住民的師資，這一塊怎麼培育？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:15:11.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:15:13.740000+08:00","text":"是不是可以做一個簡單的回應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:15:13.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:15:14.881000+08:00","text":"次長也可以。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2026-04-30T12:15:18.342000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:15:38.191000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前我們針對原住民學生的培育，除了公費留考有一些名額的提供之外，讓他們可以獲得比較高階的博士學位，然後就可以返回國內相關系所任教，這個是我們在……","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:15:39.392000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:15:40.873000+08:00","text":"好，所以已經有規劃了，對不對？是。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:15:41.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:15:41.273000+08:00","text":"朱次長？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-04-30T12:15:44.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:00.458000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，謝謝委員的指導，我們目前跟考選部、原民會已經提出原住民關鍵領域人才培育計畫，會從高中一路到大學，大學之後，一部分可能會走向公部門，但是我們更期待的是在學術領域，因為目前在大學……","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:02.299000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:02.859000+08:00","text":"這個經費什麼時候編列？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:03.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:04.100000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以開始上路？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:04.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:12.003000+08:00","text":"這個部分的經費部長已經指示，我們就全力支持，這個部分用我們自己的經費就可以協助，我們會找原民會合作。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:12.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:14.087000+08:00","text":"好，非常謝謝。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:14.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:15.708000+08:00","text":"我為什麼要提這些？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:16.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:25.393000+08:00","text":"其實我們都很需要，我也常常要求，有數據勝於雄辯，我們才有底氣講話！","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:25.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:43.826000+08:00","text":"所以我從以前質詢都很關心，舉個例子來講，在的偏鄉教育條例第十九條有提到，中央主管機關應編列預算辦理偏遠地區學校教育狀況調查研究，其結果得做為調整偏遠地區學校教育政策參考；但是我不曉得到底有沒有做。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:44.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:48.291000+08:00","text":"因為今天時間的關係，沒有關係，會後再給我書面回復。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:49.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:16:55.379000+08:00","text":"或者我要求啟動，原住民實驗學校即將滿10年了，到底何去何從？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:16:57.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:10.269000+08:00","text":"原住民族教育法裡面規定要設立原住民族學校，蔡英文總統、賴清德總統都不斷地在他們的政策白皮書裡面提到要有這樣雙軌制的教育，但是到底有沒有研究資料？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:11.030000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:13.251000+08:00","text":"我也不知道目前執行的進度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:13.832000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:31.902000+08:00","text":"但是我有去調這十年來教育部所屬委託研究案的列表，這十年來我看到共128案，總經費82.6億，但是我去查，這是公開的資料，我們原住民相關的委託案是零！","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:33.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:34.343000+08:00","text":"我很驚訝！","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:34.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:17:51.131000+08:00","text":"我又去查了原民會所屬的委託案子列表，10年共54案，總經費7億，原住民教育部分的相關委託研究案只有4案，這個都跟我原本的想像差距非常的大！","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:17:51.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:01.974000+08:00","text":"還好，我們有數據可以說話，所以在這邊我也不斷地要求國家教育研究院，做為教育部的智庫，應該要去做研究啊！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:02.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:08.656000+08:00","text":"但是他們告訴我調不到資料，我也不理解為什麼會調不到資料，個資法的問題難道不能解決嗎？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:10.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:24.932000+08:00","text":"所以在這裡我是希望國家教育研究院做為教育部的智庫，應該要發揮功能，教育部要訂定指引，授權資料取得及使用，確實編列經費辦理原住民族教育政策相關研究，部長，可以嗎？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:26.293000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:26.753000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員提醒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:27.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:49.509000+08:00","text":"有關原住民族教育研究，我想我們可能在資料上沒有很充分的提供給委員，就我手邊114年到115年就有一個計畫是原住民高等教育人才培育政策的研究計畫，會後我們再提供給委員。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:49.509000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:50.509000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長，可以！","quality":0},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:49.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:18:51.170000+08:00","text":"我就是希望拿到正確的資料。是。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:18:53.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:19:07.382000+08:00","text":"因為只剩下半分鐘，我就是要來跟部長講，我有提案，原住民族教育法第十一條，將原住民教育經費提升至3%，上次我也提過。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:19:07.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:19:23.009000+08:00","text":"因為原住民族教育法第十一條規定，中央政府應寬列預算，專款辦理原住民族教育；其比率合計不得少於中央教育主管機關預算總額百分之一點九；為什麼我特別講「中央」？","quality":0.657},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:19:23.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:19:46.298000+08:00","text":"因為我知道財劃法之後，你們有3成的經費已經劃到地方，我過去常常講，原住民因為人口少，地方政府是我們的爸爸媽媽，不愛我們，因為要選票，所以我們都要靠中央的爺爺奶奶，但是現在爺爺奶奶如果告訴我們錢已經給你爸爸媽媽，爸爸媽媽依然不愛我，我怎麼辦？","quality":0.991},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:19:46.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:19:52.841000+08:00","text":"所以在這個地方不得少於中央教育主管機關的總預算，我們應該修法，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:19:52.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:04.911000+08:00","text":"因為當時1.9%是比照原住民人口2%，但是上面有講，必須要依需求逐年成長，確保培育原住民所需的人才。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:06.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:26.192000+08:00","text":"現在人口比例已經來到2.5，我知道剛才部長報告的資料裡面有講，115年度是2.54，但是我要跟部長講，去年是1.9、前年是1.9，以前法定比率都是1.9，為什麼今年會變2.54？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:26.532000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:28.773000+08:00","text":"你應該很清楚知道，母數變少了！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:29.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:31.355000+08:00","text":"今年的母數變少了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:31.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:39.560000+08:00","text":"所以這個2.54是不對的，但是如果教育部覺得這個2.54很棒，那我覺得這次的修法……部長，你可以支持嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:40.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:49.488000+08:00","text":"我想我們一起努力，對於原住民教育怎麼樣從品質到升學，包括就業生涯的發展，給予更大的支持，我覺得我們應該……","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:50.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:53.111000+08:00","text":"好，因為我們要做的事情很多。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:53.111000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:54.111000+08:00","text":"這是我們應該要做的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:53.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T12:20:59.137000+08:00","text":"平埔族也要加入，這些預算應該都不敷使用，希望部長、教育部能夠支持，謝謝部長，謝謝主席。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"主席（伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員）","start":"2026-04-30T12:20:59.637000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:21:02.779857+08:00","text":"現在我們先處理臨時提案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員）","start":"2026-04-30T12:21:03.079857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:21:07.365571+08:00","text":"今天有委員提出臨時提案1案，請宣讀。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員）","start":"2026-04-30T12:21:07.665571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:21:22.808429+08:00","text":"鑒於我國校園偷拍事件頻傳，從大學到小學之各級學校皆有發生，且受害學生人數眾多，並對他們身心造成不可抹滅之嚴重影響。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員）","start":"2026-04-30T12:21:23.108429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:21:36.822714+08:00","text":"而從各案例中可發現，犯嫌幾乎都是潛入校園廁所或是校園死角伺機偷拍，實有補強各級學校監視系統設備之必要。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員）","start":"2026-04-30T12:22:40.579857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:22:44.865571+08:00","text":"羅廷瑋　　柯志恩　　羅智強　　萬美玲　　洪孟楷","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:22:45.165571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:22:51.737000+08:00","text":"今天的提案委員是萬美玲委員，因為按照規定要3人在場。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:22:52.037000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:23:15.179857+08:00","text":"報告召委，在教文我待了12個會期，也擔任過召委，我們是有這樣子的默契要3位委員在場，不過今天的這一案，事實上以規範來講，我們這個是已經成案了，因為相關的委員人數、簽名也都足夠，這是第一點。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:23:15.479857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:23:44.622714+08:00","text":"第二個，跟召委報告，這一案有急迫的時效性，也非常重要，因為最近這一、兩年，尤其在去年年底，我們全國各地發生了很多嚴重的偷拍事件，受害者陸陸續續算起來有數百人，所以本席才趕快跟教文所有的委員大家提了這個案子，也跟教育部做過溝通。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:23:44.922714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:24:04.637000+08:00","text":"我想是不是有請召委在召委的權限內，能夠就我們今天的這個案子責請教育部能夠照案辦理，我想應該在法規的規定上面是沒有問題的，所以請召委做一個裁示，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:24:04.937000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:24:06.937000+08:00","text":"謝謝萬美玲委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:24:07.237000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:24:26.951286+08:00","text":"我剛剛有請教議事人員，因為目前就是三個要件，提案委員要在、連署委員要在，還要依照我們組織法的第十條，不足3人不得決議，目前按照我們的議事規則有這樣的規定。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:24:27.251286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:24:33.251286+08:00","text":"不曉得萬美玲委員，如果您急迫的話，有沒有可能跟……","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:24:33.551286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:24:34.979857+08:00","text":"這樣好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:24:35.279857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:24:41.279857+08:00","text":"召委，因為我們剛才聽到第三個是說不得決議嘛！對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:24:41.579857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:24:50.151286+08:00","text":"我們是不是能夠把這一案，在這裡容我還是把這個案子跟教育部這邊……對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:24:50.451286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:24:53.022714+08:00","text":"我們做一個說明、討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:24:53.322714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:25:07.608429+08:00","text":"剛剛提的是不得決議，我們尊重，那我們就不要作成一個決議，但是把這個案子我想我們做一個初步的討論，這樣好不好？好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:25:07.908429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:25:09.337000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:25:09.637000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:25:14.494143+08:00","text":"好，我們就列入公報紀錄，可以嗎？可以。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:25:14.794143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:25:19.365571+08:00","text":"是不是可以給我1分鐘跟教育部做說明？","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:25:19.665571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:25:22.522714+08:00","text":"我們簡單討論一下。好，請。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:25:22.822714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:25:33.679857+08:00","text":"這個案子跟教育部討論過幾次了，校園偷拍的案件，當然本席等一下也會質詢，因為蠻嚴重的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:25:33.979857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:25:56.837000+08:00","text":"過去召委伍麗華委員也在的時候，教育部提過很多專案，包括冷氣專案、校園操場跑道更新專案，或者老舊廁所專案等等，這些專案都是為了讓我們的孩子在校園裡面的學習更安全、更有一些保障。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:25:57.137000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:26:32.565571+08:00","text":"這一次，因為發生了很多校園重大的偷拍事件，受害者無數，所以我們希望教育部是不是能夠在一個月之內盤點各縣市裡面的各學校，有一些校園的死角我們把它去化、去除，能夠增加監視器的經費或是專案，讓校園死角的部分可以慢慢、慢慢減少，不敢說一次到位，所以今天特別把這個臨時提案提出來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:26:32.865571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:26:42.579857+08:00","text":"其實很多委員都是贊成跟同意的，可是可能沒有注意到今天他們應該都要留下來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:26:42.879857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:26:56.594143+08:00","text":"以上，是不是能夠請教育部參酌這樣的案子，待會我用質詢的方式把這個臨時提案提出來，這樣子教育部有沒有問題？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:26:56.894143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:26:58.322714+08:00","text":"部長，請回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長英耀","start":"2026-04-30T12:26:58.622714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:27:23.765571+08:00","text":"這一個議題，確實萬委員過去也關心很多，我們也討論很多，我們全力支持配合，儘速針對全國做盤點，也編列「專案補助」經費，中央跟地方合作，增加校園安全，讓學生能夠更安心地在校園裡面學習、活動，我想這是應該的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:27:24.065571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:27:35.208429+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，唯一的就是，因為剛剛我們的討論，我希望一個月內把它盤點出來，但教育部希望兩個月。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:27:35.508429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:27:46.651286+08:00","text":"我要提醒一下，因為現在已經要到5月了，公文下去以後，如果要到兩個月的話，會來不及暑假施工。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:27:46.951286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:28:13.237000+08:00","text":"要知道今天我們剛剛提的部分是跟校慶運動會有關，9月馬上就要迎來開學的校慶運動會，所以本席希望還是以一個月為目標，請教育部責成各教育局處（室）盡力去做，真有一點延遲，那沒有關係，分階段去完成就好，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:28:13.537000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:28:24.394143+08:00","text":"好，我們下次請教育部列席的時候，萬委員可以再提出，剛剛討論的過程都列入公報紀錄，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-04-30T12:28:24.694143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:28:25.837000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T12:28:26.137000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T12:28:30.137000+08:00","text":"接下來有請萬美玲委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}