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主委先請回座"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:52:33+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:52:34+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:52:34+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:52:35+08:00","text":"請葉主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-04-30T10:52:35+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:52:36+08:00","text":"請國發會葉主委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:52:33.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:52:34.991000+08:00","text":"主委，我先請教，臺灣人口推估2065年會跌破1,200萬人，這個問題嚴不嚴重？","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:52:53.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:52:53.771000+08:00","text":"滿嚴重的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:52:53.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:53:02.554000+08:00","text":"很嚴重的問題，對國發會或政府來說，這都是一件很嚴肅的問題，它不僅是國家安全的問題，其實也是臺灣未來競爭力的問題。","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:53:02.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:53:16.482000+08:00","text":"我們看一下，生育率歷年來最低，從2024年一路往下跌，現在我們已經變成是全球生育率最低的國家，國發會也要把這個作為一個很嚴肅的課題吧，是吧？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:53:16.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:53:17.403000+08:00","text":"是、是、是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:53:18.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:53:28.088000+08:00","text":"我再來問一下，日本跟韓國都有做很多努力，特別是韓國做了很多的措施，請問主委，你認為是什麼樣的措施讓韓國這些努力有效果？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:53:28.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:53:29.848000+08:00","text":"他從2023年到2024年、2025年，慢慢的緩步上升上來了。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:53:33.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:53:50.136000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，韓國有一小段的人口增長潮，大概是在1992年到1994年，而這一段增長潮出生的人到現在剛好是生育年齡，或許有部分原因是因為這樣子。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:53:50.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:54:05.145000+08:00","text":"另外跟委員分享，韓國在鼓勵生育的部分來講，整個社會的支持、提供相對會比我們多，因為他有很多藝人都會跟大家分享他的家庭生活有多好……","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:54:05.966000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:54:19.819000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，當韓國都正視到這個問題的嚴重性，他們也做了很多國家政策的時候，我們也應該要努力地往「孩子國家一起養」這個方向去做，因為我們現在的狀況很嚴重，而且我覺得我們現在下跌的速度是相當快的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:54:20.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:54:37.702000+08:00","text":"所以我認為就國發會的高度，要把這個當作是一個很重大的問題，而且應該整合各部會的資源，確實、認真地去面對，不管是從育兒津貼到相關的假，甚至到住宅政策，都應該更加強、加大力道，我認為要加大這個力道。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:54:38.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:54:54.192000+08:00","text":"有，就這個部分來講，府跟院這一邊都開過滿多次會，這個部分最主要主責的是陳時中政委這邊，但我們都會跟陳時中政委做協調，一起把……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:54:55.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:54:58.794000+08:00","text":"陳政委主責，但是很多的幕僚單位應該是國發會要來協助，因為它涉及到跨部會間的……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:54:58.794000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:54:59.794000+08:00","text":"對，這一邊我們都會提供……","quality":0.1},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:54:58.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:55:31.856000+08:00","text":"而且這也是國家的一個重大問題，所以我希望這一塊在幕僚作業上面，剛剛主委也提到了，其實韓國有很多成功的經驗，我覺得我們應該要學習、掌握他們成功的經驗，然後來推動，我真的認為孩子要國家一起養，甚至孩子要國家養，當國家把孩子當作他的資產、資源，一起來協助年輕父母的時候，我們才能夠更鼓勵年輕父母來生育。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:55:31.856000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-04-30T10:55:32.856000+08:00","text":"對、對、對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:55:32.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:55:46.972000+08:00","text":"這件事情一定要做，不管是從相關的津貼、育兒過程的照顧，甚至到住宅政策等等，我覺得要全面性地做，這樣才能夠讓年輕父母敢去生育。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:55:47.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:55:59.465000+08:00","text":"對，因為到目前為止，臺灣之所以面臨不婚、不育，很大一個部分就是年輕人找不到合適的對象，即使結婚之後……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:55:59.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:56:00.326000+08:00","text":"有很多因素啦！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:56:00.706000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:56:06.611000+08:00","text":"找不到對象、結婚了以後要不要生，甚至生了一個後要不要生第二個，每一個都是艱困的挑戰啦！","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:56:07.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:56:25.703000+08:00","text":"我的意思是，國家要把這些門檻不斷地降低，才能夠讓年輕人有更多選擇的機會，不然恐怕他們都有很大的壓力，不管是經濟、工作、生活，甚至居住環境上面，都會遇到很大的壓力，這個已經有很多其他國家的經驗，主委什麼時候會給出一個比較完整的整體想法？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04-30T10:56:26.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:56:33.286000+08:00","text":"因為最近可能府跟院都會有一個比較重大的宣布，我們等那個……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員瑞隆","start":"2026-04-30T10:56:33.286000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-04-30T10:56:35.887000+08:00","text":"所以最近應該會有重大的宣示啦？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葉主任委員俊顯","start":"2026-04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