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我們現在進行針對國民黨黨團所提議退回"},{"start":2477.449,"end":2490.223,"text":"國民黨團宣布撤回本提案本案我們繼續照議事處意見未通過認為無疑通過我們照議事處意見我們現在進入第30案請宣讀"},{"start":2499.386,"end":2512.425,"text":"第3選案內政部函送財團發生228事件紀念基金會等8家財團發生115年度預算書案議事處一件交內政委員會審查宣傳完畢全院會議無異通過下議案"},{"start":2512.884,"end":2531.06,"text":"第31案 內政部含送國家住宅及都市更新中心115年度預算書案 議事處意見交內政委員會審查 宣言完畢不予通過 下議案第32案 大陸委員會含送殘留法人海峽交流基金會115年度預算書案 議事處意見交內政委員會審查 宣言完畢不予通過 下議案"},{"start":2531.46,"end":2533.602,"text":"不予通過下案不予通過下案不予通過下案"},{"start":2561.638,"end":2588.235,"text":"第36案 國防部函送國家中山科學院9月115年度預算書案議事處一間教科教及國防委員會審查 確定完畢無疑通過 下議案第37案 常務委員會函送財政法人海華文教基金會及財政法人海外信用保障基金115年度預算書案議事處一間教科教及國防委員會審查 確定完畢無疑通過 下議案第38案 經濟部函送財政法人中國生產力中心的20家財政法人115年度預算書案"},{"start":2589.436,"end":2594.958,"text":"議事處意見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢議事處意見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢議事處意見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢議事處意見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢"},{"start":2615.441,"end":2637.202,"text":"第一次選案 文化部韓綜國家表演藝術中心文化內容策進院國家電影及視聽文化中心一百十五年度的專屬案議事處意見交交與其文化委員會審查宣傳完畢第一次選案 文化部韓綜財團法人國家文化藝術基金會等學家財團法人一百十五年度的專屬案議事處意見交交與其文化委員會審查宣傳完畢"},{"start":2638.343,"end":2640.805,"text":"第四十三案第四十四案不宜通過下議案不宜通過下議案"},{"start":2663.323,"end":2686.445,"text":"第四十五案 國家科學及技術委員會涵送國家災害防災科技中心及國家太空中心一百十五年度預算書案議事處意見交交及文化委員會審查宣傳完畢第四十六案 國家科學及技術委員會涵送財團法人國家實驗研究院及財團法人國家同步輻射研究中心一百十五年度預算書案議事處意見交交及文化委員會審查宣傳完畢"},{"start":2687.406,"end":2690.129,"text":"報告事項第29案照議事處意見通過我們第47案以下一併宣讀宣讀之後均准以被查請宣讀"},{"start":2703.052,"end":2726.044,"text":"第四件案 最第四九案為本院交通司法計法執行員會函為院會交付審查相關行政命令均已於立法院執行員行使法第六十一條鎖定審查期限執行員攝像假 行政員答覆部部分行政員函送本院眾議員嘉賓等鎖定執行之書面答覆公報件以本院委員執行部分本院科委員執恩向行政員提出執行共和件宣言完畢"},{"start":2730.872,"end":2736.855,"text":"我們本次會議的議程包括事項已經處理完畢我們現在開始進行討論事項我們現在進入討論事項第一案"},{"start":2743.206,"end":2767.78,"text":"本院民進黨黨團針對第十一屆第三會期第26次會議包括事項第22案院會所作之決定提出附議請公決案本案經第三會期第27次會議決定另定其處理我們現在進行處理我們現在要進行表決請問委員是否都有拿到表決卡"},{"start":2774.656,"end":2792.823,"text":"再請問一下院會委員是否每位委員都有拿到表決卡我們即將進行表決好都有拿到我們報告院會現在針對民進黨黨團所提的復議案要進行表決現在有民進黨黨團台灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":2875.936,"end":2896.671,"text":"抱怨會報告表決結果出席105位贊成49位反對56位贊成者少數附議案不通過本案報告事項照原作決定通過抱怨會我們進入討論事項第二案本院民進黨黨團針對第11屆第三會期第27次"},{"start":2903.144,"end":2904.616,"text":"会议报告事项第48案"},{"start":2906.363,"end":2918.912,"text":"院會所作之決定提出復議請公決案本案經第三會期第二十七次會議決議令定期處理我們現在進行表決辦委會針對民進黨黨團所提復議案進行表決現在有民進黨團台灣民眾黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":3005.961,"end":3019.658,"text":"報告表決結果出席106位,贊成50位,反對56位,贊成者少數,附議案不通過。本案報告事項照原作決定通過。"},{"start":3021.192,"end":3046.86,"text":"本會我們進入討論事項第三案本院民進黨黨團針對第十一屆第三會期第二次會議報告事項第七案第二十一案第三十案院會所做決定提出復議請公決案本案經第三會期第三次會議決議令定期處理我們現在進行處理表決"},{"start":3049.208,"end":3061.024,"text":"現在民進黨黨團所提負議案進行表決民進黨黨團要求記名表決我們現在開始記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始"},{"start":3136.098,"end":3164.703,"text":"報議會報告表決結果出席委員106位贊成49位反對57位贊成則少數副議員不通過本案報告事項照原作決定處理陳雪生委員發表聲明對剛才的表決與國民黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄報議會我們現在休息10分鐘休息之後處理後續議程事項先來休息"},{"start":3803.226,"end":3813.439,"text":"邱若驊委員發表聲明對上午的表決與國民黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄報告委員會我們現在進行同意權之行事事項請宣讀全委會審查報告"},{"start":3815.893,"end":3838.592,"text":"總統資 正依據憲法第104條規定提名陳瑞銘續任選紀務審計長自行投影案經提報本月第十一屆第三會期第二十五次會議決定交全院委員會審查另依黨團協商結論決定審查期投票表決時程如下9月19日上午舉行選紀長人事統一選案公聽會9月19日下午召開全院委員會"},{"start":3839.893,"end":3866.036,"text":"本院全院委員會公聽會於9月19日上午舉行由院長韓國瑜擔任主席各黨團推薦之學者專家應邀出席具有呂育成教授等發表意見再由本院各黨團推派組成之審查小組詢問藉由鍾嘉斌委員等口頭詢問並由與會學者專家綜合答覆以上公聽會發言及入境會議全冊含送本院全體委員參考本院委員"},{"start":3866.917,"end":3887.902,"text":"全院委員會審查會於9月19日下午審查神經部審計長被提名人陳瑞敏由院長韓國瑜擔任主席紀友宏孟凱委員等7人口頭詢問均由被提名人口頭答覆全院委員會當日將本案審查完畢原決議提報院會已進行投票表決宣傳完畢"},{"start":3889.069,"end":3906.429,"text":"我們現在對沈記長被提名人同意權的行使進行記名投票表決依照院會決定由各黨團各推派一位擔任投開票監察員有關同意權案之相關事務工作我們均循例辦理"},{"start":3907.649,"end":3925.983,"text":"設置圈票處四個 票軌兩個會議會在投票表決之前我們現在做兩項宣告一 投開票檢查員由國民黨團推派陳金威委員民進黨黨團推派林月琴委員臺灣民眾黨黨團推派陳昭之委員擔任二"},{"start":3933.223,"end":3950.027,"text":"投票截止時間為上午十一點,如果全體委員於上午十一點之前已經完成投票,我們提前開票。現在請工作人員佈置投票所,並請投開票監察員執行監察職務。"},{"start":4203.171,"end":4225.351,"text":"抱怨會我們對於領票及投票領票時請各位委員分區領票編號1號到60號委員請至南區領票編號61號到113號委員請至北區領票投票時發言台兩側各設有一個票軌均可以投入現在請各位委員開始分區領票及投票"},{"start":4345.765,"end":4353.461,"text":"保安會劉建國委員發表聲明對上午的表決與民進黨黨團意見一致我們列入公報記錄"},{"start":6031.789,"end":6039.342,"text":"包園會蔡委員議員聲明對上午之表決與民進黨黨團意見一致列入公報記錄"},{"start":8535.472,"end":8542.983,"text":"保安院會距離投票截止時間上午十一點還有三分鐘三位投票委員請趕快投票"},{"start":8690.305,"end":8697.799,"text":"法院會投票截止時間上午11點已到請按鈴請工作人員佈置開票所"},{"start":8785.917,"end":8811.553,"text":"現在報告發票報告書立法院行使審計部審計長佟立權投票表決發票報告書領票委員一百一十二人為領票委員一人合計一百一十三人中華民國一百一十四年九月三十日投開票監察員陳金輝陳昭芝"},{"start":8816.394,"end":8835.704,"text":"林月琴委員抱怨會現在開始開票請開啟票軌並整理投一權票"},{"start":9289.755,"end":9313.762,"text":"花園會現在依序進行唱票請唱票劉許廷同意王世堅同意王振旭同意王玉敏同意"},{"start":9322.745,"end":9329.19,"text":"王美惠 同意王逸川 同意王宏維 同意武力華 同意江啟臣 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豪大雨以及畫家颱風帶來的煙色虎我們除了一方面重建我們同時進行檢討我們同時進行改建我們同時進行印證印證到整個社會的韌性安全當中"},{"start":23151.547,"end":23174.293,"text":"不過從這個事件我想大家都看到任何微小的個人只有團結才能面對大自然巨大的巨變所以我們一定要在團結合作這個理念上加強過去一週我幾次到災區我9月28號再度到災區"},{"start":23175.728,"end":23203.515,"text":"我看到路面的泥濘已經稍微退了我也看到各種調配的機制已經建立了我也看到清育的工作已經全面的展開了我更看到我們合體的破口已經築成了防線我更看到多多位的多大量的志工們不斷的湧入去重建災區所以我說橋段心要連在一起"},{"start":23205.277,"end":23229.292,"text":"會讓我感動的是在路邊所有的房子裡面都非常的泥濘但是互相不認識的陌生人聚集在一個房間為另外一個陌生人來清理他的家園因為我們心中有共同的愛才做得到這一點才能夠連結在一起我記得蔡其山委員說過我們不能因為比賽贏了"},{"start":23230.956,"end":23250.601,"text":"才愛國家隊不論他叫中華台北或是台灣我們不能因為比賽贏了才愛國家隊我也希望我們不能因為有災變了我們才珍惜團結珍惜合作所有的志工拿著鏟子來到災區他們一鏟一鏟的鏟出國家的希望你我都看見了"},{"start":23252.383,"end":23264.171,"text":"我希望 我也願意我們把這個產字把它架出來一個十字架我願意來背著這個十字架我們共同來為民主自由的生活合作"},{"start":23265.103,"end":23282.615,"text":"共同來為繁榮富足的經濟合作共同來為世代永續的未來合作共同來為國家的主權人民的安全合作只有合作我們才能夠攜手向前壯大台灣敬請各位委員同全力的支持謝謝大家"},{"start":23292.621,"end":23308.654,"text":"謝謝卓院長這一篇用心的施政報告在進行諮詢之前我們先做兩項宣告一 施政報告諮詢以疾問疾答方式進行每位委員訓答時間30分鐘如果以兩個議題進行諮詢每一個議題為15分鐘"},{"start":23313.82,"end":23338.389,"text":"如果採用聯合諮詢依照其人數合併計算詢答時間但不得超過三位委員二依照登記次序輪到諮詢之委員如果不在場以放棄諮詢論採用聯合諮詢時其中諮詢委員如果不在場我們亦以放棄諮詢論詢答時間不予併入"},{"start":23342.66,"end":23369.885,"text":"歡迎會現在一場二樓旁聽的來自台北市明德國民小學的同學我們掌聲歡迎大家進行諮詢之前我們請副秘書長報告部會首長請假情況報告院會行政院來函正副院長立軍應公請假楊政務委員曾寧應公請假紀政務委員連城應公請假"},{"start":23370.475,"end":23397.851,"text":"外交部林部長嘉隆應公請假由陳政務次長明錫代表列席經濟部龔部長明欣應公請假由江政務次長文若代表列席國家科學及技術委員會谷主任委員陳文應公請假由林副主任委員法政代表列席客家委員會谷主任委員秀飛應並請假由邱副主任委員辛威代表列席報告完畢"},{"start":23398.812,"end":23426.57,"text":"好 抱怨會我們現在開始進行質詢首先 請鍾嘉斌委員質詢羅志強委員請準備主席 在場的委員先進列席的政務機關首長 官員會長 工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生還有明德國小的同學 大家好那麼有請我們卓院長"},{"start":23428.075,"end":23456.128,"text":"另外請教育部長也請準備麻煩請卓院長教育部長備詢總委員好 院長好剛剛運輸長在報告的時候我也注意到您身旁的空位似乎鄭麗君副院長請假大家很好奇副院長到哪去了"},{"start":23458.661,"end":23478.929,"text":"明天就會看到他那麼方便透露他在執行什麼重要任務嗎也可以算是一個任務就長期以來副院長率領行政院的談判團隊跟美方進行直接的溝通已經是好幾次那現在也在進行最關鍵的實體性的收藏"},{"start":23479.773,"end":23496.488,"text":"是 謝謝好 我想這段時間這幾天大家關心的就是我們全台灣的民眾可不可以在家好好的過中秋節我指的是包括我們的國軍官兵弟兄我們第一線搶災救災的工作同仁都非常辛苦"},{"start":23497.048,"end":23525.789,"text":"好那麼想請教一下院長總統說我們今天在花蓮關乎災區的部分希望能夠讓大家都有機會回家過中秋節包括災民跟志工和工作人員你有把握嗎我們朝著這個目標分時間一步一步的達成也分區域分階段一步步達成現在我們的前進協調所前兩三天前一個禮拜在那裡的賴建信市長非常的"},{"start":23526.616,"end":23538.338,"text":"負責跟疲憊我們希望他回來做報告我們已經請紀連成政委以及李孟慧顧問去接手我們用輪番上陣的方式來用更多的人力來投入災區重建"},{"start":23539.1,"end":23566.358,"text":"讓我勾起回憶2009年九一震災的時候1999年九一震災的時候那時候屏東縣政府我也帶隊去埔里救災我們就是在災區過中秋節的這是一個我永生難忘的記憶我們希望台灣以後都不要遇到這樣的災害但是我們很難保不會遇到災害所以救災急平時做好防災就可以減災我在這裡要特別肯定也要提醒行政院"},{"start":23566.963,"end":23586.386,"text":"像我這邊舉的幾個例子包括我們屏東縣內埔鄉的龍潭村包括我們的新生路包括我們高速村包括我們離港的明麗村這些看起來零零總總的這些的防災工程都是平常行政院要投資當遇到災害的時候他就會發揮效用可以減災院長支不支持"},{"start":23588.407,"end":23607.405,"text":"地方上有任何對於防災的需求我們都希望能夠讓中央來瞭解要馬合力來解決如果真的工程浩大像我剛剛舉的4年1000億的縣市館河川的整治工程地方是沒有辦法來做 中央就來投入否則就是中央地方來合力完成"},{"start":23608.105,"end":23628.053,"text":"謝謝 好接下來要過中秋節但是過去剛剛過一個教師節想請教教育部長全台教師荒你看媒體這麼多批評說國中老師同時在兩天要兼課甚至開學前一週代理教室的缺額高達2600人什麼原因是因為待遇跟不上嗎 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我們從小到大你說學前的保姆費可能估計要佔74萬大學的學費要54萬從0到18歲的生活費180萬"},{"start":23781.974,"end":23798.681,"text":"然後大學還要再升為720萬養一個小孩人家估計要668萬但是政府也做了很多啊托育補助7000到13000啊對不對有公費疫苗啊高中以下全部學會全免啊政府這麼多其實民眾應該有感但是我建議一個我們往下看"},{"start":23799.448,"end":23820.67,"text":"你如果說十萬塊 你說要花錢的孩子 人家說花不去啊你說建貨你十萬塊做過來 你覺得民眾聽了會怎麼樣欸 建貨我十萬塊做過來 你知道以前坐月子很辛苦對不對是啊 但要現在坐月子中心嘛 師傅長有沒有你知不知道行情多這 一個月就差不多十萬啦"},{"start":23822.097,"end":23835.821,"text":"所以院長 兩位部長很辛苦推了很多福國利民的政策 又是有利人民的宣傳上好的政策我們支持但是你要讓民眾有感嘛你說省一個給你十萬 還是說你做過來我給你十萬你說得最好 部長你覺得呢"},{"start":23839.142,"end":23867.412,"text":"施部長跟委員報告確實在這個讓民眾真正有感的說法上我們可以來好好的調整說法黃部長呢你還單身 沒有小孩啦其實這當然是給多一點的經濟支持可是我們同時也推出了比方說職場的彈性 輿運流停的彈性也包括接下來可能會有一些托育政策的更進一步的強化我覺得它是一整體的確實不是只是看好 謝謝兩位部長 可以請回院長"},{"start":23870.173,"end":23895.267,"text":"你剛剛那個講法日前我聽你提過我覺得非常的有創意那聽你提過就知道我們很多的想法也在從您說的這個角度開始來做一些事好 謝謝其實人民希望很多的政策跟政府的想法不一樣譬如說我們來看一下吧大南方新矽谷你覺得民眾怎麼想大壹雞店要來了高雄屏東搶著歡迎台積電換成你是縣市首長你會不會去爭取台積電來"},{"start":23896.973,"end":23924.83,"text":"我們在各縣市首長在招商的工作當中都非常的邁向 都在爭取嘛但是我們跨過來想地方政府迎來了台積電當地的居民得到什麼他們有得到台積電的工作嗎 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會嗎有的當地的那個志工或是我們現場這些事情都沒有做啦我知道你為什麼那麼緊張啦他都會說我手很髒不要不要都會這樣講我告訴你"},{"start":25006.82,"end":25033.472,"text":"我們做政治人物跟選民在互動哪有怕選民手髒的這基本嘛不是我說對那個志工說我手很髒即便是如此我們都還是會主動握手嘛這本來就基本的嘛那我還要說我剛剛講這三件事你都不會做啊但是你為什麼那麼緊張因為都不是你做的啊都是愛心者總統做的啊我要先跟你講啊我們的親朋好友罹難房子被泥沙沖滅"},{"start":25035.472,"end":25045.474,"text":"身家財產一夕泡湯我們一般人是不會說這些話也不會擠這些掌的對災民來說你不覺得這樣做法很白目嗎"},{"start":25049.205,"end":25070.023,"text":"外面對這個評論我想你也看到了我說過在一整天的救災的過程當中都拿出一句話來做一些不必要的聯想我想這個大可不必我告訴院長今天總統洞見觀瞻我倒是沒看到你出這些新聞你都做得到 我們總統做不到總統做得比我們都多"},{"start":25071.324,"end":25097.768,"text":"總統的白目的話說的比你多啦我跟你講 總統到底是人血還白目不要我來判斷 台灣人民去判斷啦我們不要在這個時候做這樣的一個批評我拜託 我們還是可是我告訴你啊我們重建一個社會的信任今天這不是批評我是為總統好我是為賴總統好今天他講這些不合時宜的話不得體的話已經不是第一次了嘛你們也痛苦 我知道啦"},{"start":25099.192,"end":25121.847,"text":"南台灣風災 災民屋頂被吹走我們總統說叫災民自己爬 自己去爬啦災民手機沒訊號 他可以嗆災民說郭國恩有啊歷歷在目啊 歷歷在目啊那我要問啊 這樣總統你叫我不要叫他白目好啦 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我覺得非常好但是絕對不夠你一定相信嘛絕對不夠的時候你要跟我講追加預算也是一條路不否認啊但是為什麼你今天不針對這個災害而且我跟你講它是有一個指標意義的為什麼你知道嗎為什麼今天國民黨立法院要提這個重建條例"},{"start":25547.028,"end":25569.555,"text":"因為從這一個災害有一個特殊性跟過去災害不一樣就是煙澀湖潰堤這個煙澀湖潰堤你今天有一個重建條例我們好好在重建條例裡面去檢視今天怎麼面對煙澀湖這個危機它其實是有向未來警示的重要意義它跟一般的颱風的災害重建條例它是不相同的"},{"start":25570.489,"end":25588.097,"text":"我這一點建設性的建議我希望至少院長你不要馬上去否定嘛我沒有否定你可以待會去研究吧我最新想的是說我們用什麼最快的方式讓災民避難道理嗎那對於煙澀湖災害造成這樣大的一個情況我告訴你我真的是拜託你啦"},{"start":25588.937,"end":25616.232,"text":"不要拘泥在這一件事情上主委要不要談一下菸社會的事情因為他們已經做過很多的研究可以啊來請目前是在搶災搶險所以居民的維生系統包括家裡的水電馬桶這個都沒有而且是高達兩三千戶所以目前緊急的在做這個那我就問嘛請教還是問院長的問題剛剛院長沒答出來請問大概這個重建要花多少錢"},{"start":25617.561,"end":25633.688,"text":"現在在搶災搶險所以重建的部分上沒有辦法你看嘛我跟你講院長我真的這樣講今天如果你願意採取我剛剛講的方式這兩個方式不衝突嘛但是你不要一開始先預定了讓大家覺得好像今天"},{"start":25634.98,"end":25663.308,"text":"我們現在所有人關心的花蓮在你的心目當中好像沒辦法 我的感覺是這樣沒有 我以為你這樣是絕對的誤會但我知道你覺得你不是這樣可是你今天回答我的過程我就覺得你把自己畫的圈圈這麼狹隘這麼限縮馬上可以做的事情就先做了院長我拜託跟你拜託最後一次你不做也沒關係我們到立法院我們到院長協商的時候我們來慢慢討論要馬上就說不要啦"},{"start":25664.735,"end":25691.427,"text":"就說過煙澀湖的災情跟一般風災災情就是不相同你那600億規模就是沒有涵蓋這個所謂的災害的規模那有一個專門性的重建條例真的沒有什麼沒有今天議課一定跟我講說不行就是不行沒有這回事啦最後我要想再請教我們那個院長你知道這一次我們看到這一次花蓮的這個災害"},{"start":25694,"end":25717.091,"text":"當然還是非常感謝八八中央地方都有出動可是現在很多東西你看到中央地方之間有非常多的矛盾你知道八八風災的時候當時內政部長廖瑤宇直接衝到災區就坐鎮兩個禮拜你知道吧你知道我們的劉兆璇院長也直接進駐八軍團裡面進駐在那邊督導救災"},{"start":25720.612,"end":25750.019,"text":"我沒有要你做到那個程度我這邊直接問你一件事我也幫花蓮請命你去兩次很辛苦啦也謝謝你啦應該的我想請問中央官員不管是院長副院長部長還是次長你有什麼層級願意常駐花蓮去做統合協調的工作那就是很複雜的我剛說過賴建信次長已經從開始到現在還有我們環境部的沈次長還有園民會的股仲副主委還有"},{"start":25750.599,"end":25772.336,"text":"我給院長一個建議啦今天我又請紀政委 紀連城政委去又請李孟又顧問去希望賴建信市長能回來再說明現在的狀況非常好 我跟院長建議啦讓中央地方可以通暢你要有一個常駐性的主責官員在那個地方真的 按照88風災我們過去的經驗"},{"start":25776.238,"end":25792.503,"text":"現在真的 我今天在這裡不想去講說是哪邊有責任的問題這責任 我說的救責後面時間多的是救責不是為了今天是要打擊哪一個殺傷哪一個政黨 不是喔救責是為了要為未來去預防再次發生去檢驗環節 沒錯吧 對不對"},{"start":25794.503,"end":25808.604,"text":"所以今天但今天是萬事末如救災集我沒有打算在這個地方跟你談救責問題但是我只是今天衷心的勸告按照過去我們遇到災害的做法為花蓮人請命你要有一個專責的常設性的官員"},{"start":25809.705,"end":25837.919,"text":"至少次長級以上要常住在那個地方幫忙解決所有災害重建協調跟委員討論就是過去我們歷次這種重大災害讓我們的災防法一直的精進我們現在一定先強化中央應變中心那到地方災害發生一開始我們就設前進協調所跟地方政府一起合作現在是災防法這樣的設計如果這個設計不當我們可以檢討那目前災防法就是依照過去的經驗一直精進演練到現在"},{"start":25840.131,"end":25846.17,"text":"我今天拜託你拍個專責官員下去你都辦一堆法律出來那我直接告訴你院長我告訴你啦"},{"start":25849.082,"end":25875.08,"text":"我就是有參與救災經驗的人賴市長已經在那邊一個禮拜了我就舉個例子就像你今天跟我講這些東西我沒辦法聽下去你要原諒我沒辦法就像賴新德總統一直在強調國軍不能進到人家家裡面去就是一個莫名其妙的說法我們國民黨執政就不是這個樣子救災勢同作戰協調所之後賴市長也在那邊股仲副主委也在那邊你們很多東西我都覺得我也搞不太懂"},{"start":25876.533,"end":25904.054,"text":"你現在災萬事末路救災急救你搬一堆礦房條這礦房條存不存在都是個問號來我想請教院長明年度國防預算我們在慶德總統說要增加到百分之三點三二嘛對不對2030年要增加GDP的百分之五嘛對不對這是我們的目標我們朝著目標前進這是國家安全的需要我們代總統也說要提升國軍生活待遇照顧國軍嘛對不對"},{"start":25906.104,"end":25932.402,"text":"我想請教你我們現在明年度國防預算編列總額高達9495億比今年要增加1768億史上最高可是我不太懂保家衛國的軍人現在戰爭風險這麼高我們立法院已經通過軍人待遇提升的那個預算條例結果你們預算一毛不編為什麼"},{"start":25936.164,"end":25958.117,"text":"已經跟外界說明過 再跟委員說明一次你不用說明 我知道 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謝謝我們一樣護衛軍人警校的尊嚴跟他的基本福利我們也逐年在做提高"},{"start":26205.25,"end":26221.962,"text":"好,谢谢罗志强委员咨询,也谢谢主任长、各部会首长的备询,谢谢。接下来我们休息十分钟,十分钟之后请张其凯委员咨询。现在休息。"},{"start":26818.988,"end":26823.976,"text":"好 抱怨會我們繼續開會接下來我們請本日政黨質詢最後一位張祺凱委員請質詢"},{"start":26856.671,"end":26882.858,"text":"謝謝韓院長 請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢張維豪卓院長好台灣最美的風景是人這一天我們很感動我們看到很多產製 志工很多的民眾到花蓮去救災謝謝他們"},{"start":26886.405,"end":26909.387,"text":"裡面有很多很辛苦的軍人警消人員也在救災我們非常感謝他所以今天我要提出兩個很大的質疑第一我們在感謝金警交的同時行政院為什麼到現在預算還不編呢在霸凌他們嗎第二個這裡面違法的問題"},{"start":26911.608,"end":26939.699,"text":"這兩個都非常非常的嚴重警消在救災的同時他用生命在捍衛我們每一個國民結果立法院已經三讀通過了幫軍人加薪幫警消人員提高他退休的所得替代率為什麼到現在行政院還不願變呢還要繼續霸凌我們的軍人跟警消嗎"},{"start":26940.575,"end":26961.193,"text":"單委員身為國會議員如果公開說政府在霸凌警消人員這個是一個非常不得體的比喻我必須做嚴正的聲明我覺得你們非常對不起軍人跟警消人員我們在救災過程當中多少的國軍投入救災我們非常感謝我們對軍人的"},{"start":26962.403,"end":26975.712,"text":"待遇福利 我們在今年也編了59.5億增加他很多志願役的相關的作戰部隊的一個經費我們逐步都在做我已經說過行政院編列預算行政院編列預算 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