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第21案"},{"start":3243.257,"end":3265.51,"text":"第21案因為涉及到一些相關的資訊我們建議是做一些文字的修正那有跟劉委員溝通過了嗎有在溝通中報告委員這幾天都有跟劉委員做溝通但是一直LNG不到我們會持續溝通"},{"start":3273.049,"end":3285.015,"text":"21案我們修正通過第22案已經改組決議了已經跟委員溝通過他同意改組決議第22案我們改組決議"},{"start":3290.856,"end":3306.8,"text":"是來第23案23案跟蘇委員有溝通過他從5000萬降到1000萬那改三個月書報他也同意好那我們就是凍結1000萬然後改三個月書報我們凍結1000萬然後改書面報告三個月三個月念書面報告好好好"},{"start":3321.304,"end":3343.952,"text":"我們第二十三案我們改動結一千萬然後三個月內向立法院內政委員會提出書面報告是好 那修正通過第二十四案主決議 遵照辦理遵照辦理好 那我們召案通過是第二十五案主決議遵照辦理召案通過第二十六案遵照辦理"},{"start":3344.918,"end":3354.01,"text":"我們召喚通過第27案跟賴委員跟賴委員報告啦這個7億多給你給你撿個300萬給你尿滴 你跟你說300萬而已啦我簡單說明我簡單說明一下不要說明"},{"start":3360.639,"end":3374.878,"text":"我説明一下1500里面有1300是給建築師公會他們做各縣市政府的顧問團所以跟你報告剩下200萬是他們的開會出席費我們屬沒有拿任何自己要用的業務費所以才跟我們報告真實狀況是這樣啦"},{"start":3376.38,"end":3400.547,"text":"沒有 你這七千五百七億五千多所以是介意是說是不是調科目啦不一定要放在我跟你們報我們沒有要用這個我給你三百萬科目自行調整好 感恩 感恩 感恩謝謝好 我們第27案我們三百萬強化國土防衛能量我們簡列三百萬然後科目自行調整是 謝謝好 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三檢戰備飲用水7億軍車集用廠整修31億合計3減38億"},{"start":3620.148,"end":3635.1,"text":"這我要解釋一下這主要是那個部長你們講一下這個重複編列你們年度預算都有了啊那請部長來還是我們次長說說名向委員報告我們每一年"},{"start":3636.124,"end":3659.659,"text":"我們每一年都會有所謂的這個戰備飲用水的問題那逐年會推成它的保存期限就是一年那考量每一年第一個都要做開標第二個有交通運輸包含高山站台以及外離島等地區所以我們建議現在採用這個五到七年的長效飲用水第一個避免人力第二個避免每一年的交通運輸開標作業那希望可以"},{"start":3661.179,"end":3673.147,"text":"讓單位有足夠的飲用水它可以不用每一年去推成也造成環保的問題至於5到7年期限到之前會比照現在一年期的我們每一年在屆期之前我們會做推成以上"},{"start":3677.632,"end":3697.721,"text":"我想補充一下第一個並沒有重複編列就這一個部分我們以5到7年的長效期的飲用水我們是參考日本、美國及挪威等國家長效期的飲用水的做法來增加我們的戰備的韌性就這部分"},{"start":3700.923,"end":3706.963,"text":"平時這個用這個一年期的校期的飲用水是不同的所以並沒有重複變略的問題"},{"start":3708.732,"end":3734.863,"text":"這個我替文委員講一下啦他說這個屬於這個作業的維持跟修繕應該回歸到年度預算不需要放在特別預算裡面他強調的是這一點不是說這個變得不好而是說這個應該回歸到年度預算在這個地方的話失去正當性這樣子啦 那個部長我講一個快的喔這個因為他現在不在我替他處理"},{"start":3735.871,"end":3756.509,"text":"你們可以讓我們刪多少一千一千多億三十幾億也就就就才還不到一百一百十幾億啊讓我講好不好一千一百多億裡面如果一趴就十一億了啊也只不過三趴二一了你可以讓我們刪多少嗎這樣子"},{"start":3761.718,"end":3789.539,"text":"好 來 那還有沒有其他委員有意見來 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這個等一下因為38案裡面有一部分是39案一樣的我是請顧部長你要不要因為這個東西水這個在我們的平常的日用的水為什麼要一直買要存這麼久這水的這個quality品質都有問題啊你這個老師講這樣子讓我們會議比較容易順利進行啦你自己看一下這一部分可以減淚多少啦 這樣快點啦好 那沒關係 那王委員"},{"start":4042.412,"end":4064.759,"text":"主席 因為今天 現在是在討論軍營要不要用啦跟你說便利商店多方便的時候軍營的軍營可以隨時走路的時候去便利商店買東西嘛他不是要買到種土土跟本土每一個軍營的嘛"},{"start":4066.69,"end":4083.945,"text":"這個方便便利商店的方便是給貝斯的方便軍營是不一樣的以上 我覺得應該替軍營想出更好的辦法不是要發洩軍營叫軍營做事 再發洩他們的東西以上好 那郭委員有沒有要發言"},{"start":4092.816,"end":4121.291,"text":"我想我們的官兵應該是長期駐守在這個第一線那我覺得他們是保家衛國之外同時他們的環境或者是他們的一個生活的條件其實我們也要顧慮到他們的飲用水的部分那這個不是剛剛像馬委員所說的好像這個隨時要隨時要就隨時補充真的就把它當7-11是一樣的一個道理這個是毫無道理可言所以刪了國防備用水的"},{"start":4122.053,"end":4128.849,"text":"這個預算我個人是堅決反對好 以上好 那馬委員還要再補充嗎還是就這樣好 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包括水資源包括油料等等那麼現在不是就是在增加這個部分的能量嗎但是現在大家一直在那邊講說啊115年就可以邊進去那完全是不是邏輯錯亂這是我覺得我現在是必須要先發言來做澄清的"},{"start":4918.268,"end":4933.742,"text":"再來是剛剛提到的是水的部分當然你就是要多存啊不然你被封鎖的時候你要怎麼辦怎麼可能拿日常官兵的飲用水然後來喝這根本不可能嘛兩邊本來就是應該要分開來計算"},{"start":4935.143,"end":4957.026,"text":"另外是有關於我相信這些儲備的東西是不是可以請國防部或陸軍現在講一下你們在多增加了這些存量之後一定要多一個地方來存放嘛舉一個例子每一個人的家裡如果你要多這種所謂避難救難設備你看到以色列在每一個人的家裡都有地下室的時候"},{"start":4957.386,"end":4975.403,"text":"那你是不是每一個家裡的人家要多出去興建地下室然後去放這些戰備的儲糧這是民間的部分那麼當然軍中也會需要所以如果陸軍你們是放在這邊的預算就請你們好好的說清楚講明白因為我還是要強調就是戰備的狀況跟一般的狀況就是維護我想這兩個字"},{"start":4982.19,"end":5000.985,"text":"這兩個詞大家應該聽得非常清楚如果我們一直不斷的只是回到說啊115年有重複編115年有那大家根本就不用討論強化國防預算強化我們可能面對中共的封鎖或是外在攻擊的部分嗎好以上是我的發言好沒關係我們先讓委員先來請陳委員"},{"start":5004.195,"end":5024.993,"text":"我簡短的來去附印林楚英委員的說法強化我們的韌性不是只是我們過去講到國防的能量不是只是購買最新式的武器而已能夠確保我們的韌性增強包含剛才提到的特規型的瓶裝水就是水 蛋 油"},{"start":5027.195,"end":5040.524,"text":"還有昨天林委員有在質詢部長有提到的一些重要的資源的戰備所以我還是同意林楚瑩委員剛才的說法並且去附議她的說法好 我們請沈委員"},{"start":5042.68,"end":5065.022,"text":"因為我們接下來幾個案子我覺得針點都差不多啦那我覺得最主要的關鍵在於說特別預算它必須要是緊急啦那這個呢我覺得馬委員的緊急的定義跟我們的緊急的定義不太一樣所以呢如果我們每一個發言都一直針對緊不緊急的話我覺得這沒有溝通的結果但我覺得國防部至少先說明一點就是跟緊急無關的事情就是"},{"start":5065.683,"end":5085.903,"text":"他提到重複編列這件事說115年公務預算有重複編列當然第一個我們剛剛講的你暫時的緊急的儲備跟你平常的公務預算是應該要分開的這本來是兩件事情但是請國防部把這件事情再清楚說明過後那緊急的部分我覺得這個可能很難達成共識好 那請部長來做個回應"},{"start":5088.559,"end":5115.192,"text":"我首先再補充一下那個長期飲用水還是強調這叫戰備飲用水戰備飲用水的概念就是說我們平常不會用到它我們日常的飲用水的部分我們一年期的效期的部分就可以因應戰備飲用水假設你也是用一年期那你每年是不是要把它再換那這個就不符合戰備的概念戰備的概念就是說我平常不會用它那我可以放比較長效期的"},{"start":5117.744,"end":5138.731,"text":"我可以我可以放比較長效期的這才叫戰備的概念嘛所以叫戰備飲用水那這第一個第二個呢我們現在有關40案這個現在是因為我們認為這個貨櫃啊要在暫時配合籌購的這個拉臂的溝型的載重車將貨櫃直接拖引到動員的徵集地點"},{"start":5141.294,"end":5169.499,"text":"直接拖延到這種徵集點然後提升後備動員的效率跟能量那因為原來籌購的這一個貨櫃的這個部分呢還不足所以我們現在編列的這樣子的一個貨櫃的概念也就是讓他這個後備動員的徵集實施比較能夠具有機動性能夠提升後備動員效率那這一個部分呢也是希望委員能夠支持好這樣子啊因為"},{"start":5172.649,"end":5199.458,"text":"來 郭委員我echo一下剛剛其實我們幾位委員所講的我們講特別預算今天在講的是特別預算什麼叫特別預算就是在緊急跟特別任務之後緊急可以動用的一些資源這叫特別預算所以在提到什麼115年然後什麼重複編列我覺得115年重複編列的這樣子的一個字眼套用在今天這個特別預算其實是蠻錯誤的一個邏輯啦"},{"start":5201.198,"end":5214.088,"text":"更何況115年的預算當中難道你們不會刪嗎你們一樣照刪不誤嘛所以我們今天講的是特別預算這跟115年的這是完全兩種不同的概念啦以上"},{"start":5215.219,"end":5225.965,"text":"那毛委員還要再補充嗎其實這是原則問題我想也講一下因為後面的很多案子是一樣剛剛有很多委員顯然誤會所謂的戰備因為貨櫃它有分暫時用的貨櫃跟平常用的貨櫃嗎"},{"start":5233.129,"end":5239.455,"text":"我一直在強調明年115年他已經編了這些相關的預算你甚至裡面還有除濕機還有廁所廁所有分暫時跟平常用的嗎我們現在講的特別我們所以剛剛委員講到重點了所謂的特別預算你今天"},{"start":5252.746,"end":5267.284,"text":"國防部有很多我們的各軍種可能在很多武器裝備上面有很多消失性傷員的有很多損壞的有很多必須要做的我們支持他做可是你現在我們看到這一次編在1100多億裡面的特別預算的內容"},{"start":5272.25,"end":5298.503,"text":"它並不是戰備急需剛剛一直講到水水的部分不是時間長它就叫戰備因為我們也有糧食你這一次除了水以外還有編一個油油的部分你增加了12億可是你有做其他增加的庫儲設施嗎比如說你有一個可以來裝油的並沒有所以那12億你只是多付給裝油而已"},{"start":5299.523,"end":5324.059,"text":"你在暫時你還跟現在其實沒有差別我們現在本來也是這樣用所以等一下因為有說我們很多的案子大概都是類似的因為所謂的所謂的重複編列不要搖頭因為你可能沒有認真的去看或者理解我們的國防預算所謂公務預算裡面貨櫃其實他本來在明年就已經有買了他的站板在明年也有買了"},{"start":5325.04,"end":5330.532,"text":"廚師機這一類的東西根本就不應該放在這裡面所以這是我們要刪的原因"},{"start":5331.633,"end":5356.648,"text":"好 那雙方都已經有做春鳳的說明我先簡單做個處理因為我們國防部的整個提案有65個案子其中三檢有51案 凍結有6案 組決議有8案那因為這個國防部跟我們這個朝野的委員都各有意見那我想我們先稍微休息一下"},{"start":5357.688,"end":5384.89,"text":"來跟這一個國防部來跟我們的委員先做個協商不然這樣子下去接下來很難把今天能夠把案子送出去然後我們先休息部長加油大家加油國防加油保護台灣加油加油那個現在休息"},{"start":5387.159,"end":5407.585,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":5411.41,"end":5414.873,"text":"今天是幾乎過場了"},{"start":5442.06,"end":5452.369,"text":"我們對部署可以說是有兩分"},{"start":5467.841,"end":5471.922,"text":"對,阿康納德就是緊張說實話,這個沒有問題。"},{"start":5497.099,"end":5513.635,"text":"主持人,您好。您好。您好。"},{"start":5521.367,"end":5533.614,"text":"細節的東西"},{"start":5538.184,"end":5565.486,"text":"看得到 只要你在國防衛校可以看得到那如果 萬一我們在這邊 照著那些防疫環境來說已經不會有自己在做任何事件這對我來說很大的傷害 讓我們出行實在是不正常我也不覺得 讓我們出行實在是不正常對對 公務員公務員就公務員因為我說嘛"},{"start":5568.073,"end":5569.056,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":5574.512,"end":5593.002,"text":"您要如何去處理?您要如何去處理?您要如何去處理?您要如何去處理?您要如何去處理?您要如何去處理?"},{"start":5601.867,"end":5604.249,"text":"剛剛陳賴慧跟馬國賓溝通,那現在她的同路在哪裡?"},{"start":5628.114,"end":5641.279,"text":"因為它的中心帶我們也不怕擋住因為都完全一寸就擋不到的那什麼陸軍海軍那個那也就那一個原因那我們的一個原因因為我原諒你其實你的案子我沒有考慮過"},{"start":5642.399,"end":5670.61,"text":"兩個人的案子可以拼在一起處理因為你的處理方式就很簡單了AOE要很多時候對 用這種方式然後整包把它談妥的時候我們就知道他的局限那這樣的話 那些案子就不必再處理因為AOE的案子有幾個動作是要配合的那如果國安公司有幾個要配合的就有問題了對對對 要處理的要處理的"},{"start":5672.852,"end":5698.912,"text":"那你委員會是你委員會來嗎?你去做健康檢查我委員會要跟我們委員會砍掉的20萬那就是砍掉一半了不行那一半怎麼辦?"},{"start":5703.247,"end":5718.571,"text":"因為這個是歐小林要砍一半的他歐小林要砍一半的我那個人保留他沒有同意的是我同意的可是前面都只有3.5%為什麼我們發信心要砍一半前面剛剛"},{"start":5724.892,"end":5746.41,"text":"不要我怎麼違憲啊要啦我還先經你這個要把錢大概你看現在就這麼多詐騙網站在那邊了我們對不對那你不講清楚嗎大家都傻傻的上去我們出過的地方了都給人家騙光光了怎麼辦真的 真的啦那是一千三百萬美金啊是嗎好啊好啊那是125125可以嗎可以啊"},{"start":5754.82,"end":5754.98,"text":"謝謝委員,謝謝委員"},{"start":5798.258,"end":5803.383,"text":"你說保留?保留?保留啦,全部保留"},{"start":5830.982,"end":5836.75,"text":"市保的也很多總共八個案子而已,有很多,你也好,親自說你都自己人數耶"},{"start":5841.846,"end":5848.191,"text":"衛福是前面剛剛刪了5%同申所以砍160那現在病院一個案子總共砍500再砍340那340他大概有兩千多萬都是違反"},{"start":5859.153,"end":5880.588,"text":"要違給其他的法律這些東西就變成 報告委員對 它六十幾億可是它總共大部分是要發出去給各縣市政府發給這些人總共它五千九那前面它的總共業務費五千九自己用的總共三五百萬"},{"start":5883.11,"end":5895.602,"text":"三五百萬然後同時併信一案併通案啦 併通案的對 因為他的媒宣也併通案40到87然後因為夏蘭詩那個案子他沒有"},{"start":5906.51,"end":5935.692,"text":"然後華仁的案子是1989那個蘇欽 請問一下剛剛39保留要不要一起你也是那個嗎對 就38到40對 38 39應該也一起保留他要38 39本來就保留啦你等一下如果一起處理要不要一起處理不要喔喔 從來38到40不要喔38到40不要喔 從來38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38到40不要喔38"},{"start":5942.434,"end":5954.046,"text":"中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜"},{"start":5962.065,"end":5972.729,"text":"中文字幕志愿者 杨茜茜"},{"start":5994.49,"end":6019.232,"text":"你的案子等一下還是繼續討論嗎?還是你要跟他一樣都保留?這個可以被討論在這裏嗎?他的案子就從不送出他查的案子有跟你有重疊的欸到八七啊那他們要換他多久?八八七所以他們都是這個政府的第一名"},{"start":6039.97,"end":6048.495,"text":"我讓他不要一個一個案問他一個討論 一個中本書文 一個委託他的案子就出發了"},{"start":6070.13,"end":6080.665,"text":"到87都是他的嗎對 到87都是他的還有91也是啊還有91嗎有兩個主決役兩個主決役啊到87都是三檢主決役是主決役41到"},{"start":6086.505,"end":6101.247,"text":"好 我們現在繼續開會剛剛也做了一些協商跟討論我在這邊做個說明因為接下來馬文君委員的案子是從第40案"},{"start":6102.068,"end":6125.043,"text":"到第87案那都是屬於這個刪減的案子那因為這個案子量非常的多所以我是先麻煩我們馬委員你就做個這個統一的一個你的提案的說明那我們也請這一個部長這邊做一個統一的答覆好不好那我們是不是請馬委員從第40案到第87案謝謝"},{"start":6133.062,"end":6157.078,"text":"這裡面其實我們剛剛有提到非常多就是說主要是他在特別預算裡面他使用的老實說真的是有些已經浪費了比如說像海軍左支部旗艦的部分他這個圍牆重建圍牆他花了1000萬其實他現在當然是老舊可是"},{"start":6158.277,"end":6176.071,"text":"如果說要急著用特別預算來支應我覺得這個也是不合理的這也是我們提供的案子之一那另外我要強調的為什麼部長一直說我們沒有重複可是我們看這個金湯營區其中有一個營區它現在114跟115年編了3680萬左右3680萬它在做設計規劃設計規劃喔"},{"start":6188.061,"end":6216.433,"text":"可是在這一次的特別預算裡面他又把很多的又放了3500萬要執行一些項目你現在今年跟明年才在設計而已可是你今年居然又放了另外的東西要在同一個營區就像你今天要設計這個會議室可是你還在設計階段你突然又另外特別預算的錢"},{"start":6217.133,"end":6244.428,"text":"也要做這個會議室一樣的不合理你如果覺得需要你應該在我們這兩年的設計費裡面他的設計費高達3億7千萬他就應該把它放進去放了如果真的有需求你再把那個預算放進來這樣才符合我們預算的運用就這些部分另外就是我們我想要請教一下我們這一次買了很多的靶機"},{"start":6247.515,"end":6271.221,"text":"總共要買多少等一下可以給我們數字嗎這一次在特別預算裡面我們的靶機總共數量有多少大概是什麼樣的類型跟過去買的因為我們從111年 112年 113年 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部長最後回答好 主席各位委員還有各位官員我想這個國防防衛這塊相當的重要因為當還是有很多的軍事威脅對著台灣的時候那如果我們不願意強化我們自己國防的決心的時候我們對我們國防的力量不願意給予支持的時候那一方面會讓敵軍更有侵略的一個企圖這個往往更加的高風險"},{"start":6652.731,"end":6670.571,"text":"特別是我們面對的是一個極權的國家它是少數人做決定的那有可能做出錯誤的決策所以我覺得強化我們的防衛能量這對於保護台灣的安全保護台海的和平保護中華民國安全就非常的重要所以我們還是希望"},{"start":6671.132,"end":6690.568,"text":"各位能夠大力的支持那特別是這樣的預算的通過同時也在全世界都在看全世界在看台灣有沒有防衛自我的一個決心如果我們國會並沒有支持我們的國防部沒有支持行政院的這些國防預算的時候那也可能會讓全世界的民主國家的同盟"},{"start":6691.649,"end":6718.499,"text":"覺得好像台灣並沒有強烈自我防衛的一個決心這都會影響到大家的一個軍心上的動搖所以我們還是希望朝野各政黨能夠以國家為優先能夠支持這樣的預算那如果有任何的意見的話那真的不行就保留下來讓國防部在座溝通但是我們還是希望這樣的預算最後能夠通過一起來支持國軍一起來支持我們台海的和平一起來支持我們民主同盟的力量謝謝"},{"start":6719.679,"end":6733.648,"text":"好 那我們最後體愛委員 馬委員在做說明之後我們請部長做回覆 我就做處理 好 謝謝好 特別預算我們希望它真的是增強我們國軍的韌性剛剛我們提到的很多都一樣 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主決議遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照"},{"start":8117.479,"end":8123.642,"text":"對專案改書面書面報告是不是我們可以同意書委有沒有意見他有沒有意見他沒有特別講說同意或不同意的書面"},{"start":8134.662,"end":8149.73,"text":"好那141案我們改書面報告好謝謝委員那修正後通過謝謝委員142案遵照辦理好專案通過143案遵照辦理專案通過144案委員已同意改組決議好改組決議修正後通過145案委員已經同意改組決議好改組決議修正後通過146案"},{"start":8160.654,"end":8183.696,"text":"我們這邊希望奈委員這邊能不能刪減的金額一千萬好一千萬那就一千萬一千萬好一百一十四六案簡略提升產業競爭力業務費一千萬科目事情調整是一百四十七案"},{"start":8184.688,"end":8191.534,"text":"147案協助企業開拓多元市場簡列業務費1000萬科目自行調整我們修正後通過148案"},{"start":8213.444,"end":8236.771,"text":"148案的部分是不是也是可以讓我們改書面有跟委員有溝通過了嗎有跟五委員溝通了嗎五委員目前還沒有那我們先保留148先保留149案這個部分也還沒有跟委員溝通對 是那我們就先保留這個要先溝通150案"},{"start":8241.723,"end":8260.977,"text":"150案的部分是不是也可以讓我們調整成委員賴委員對啊那150案我先保留你們去跟他溝通這個你們要先做好溝通有嗎"},{"start":8265.551,"end":8288.091,"text":"應該還沒有 他一律都是這樣還沒有溝通 我接下來就先保留趕快去跟賴委員溝通151案 遵照辦理 通過152案這個部分也是我們希望修改文字 文字項目國家後面加一個地區然後預計深化資產列改為項目"},{"start":8289.554,"end":8313.01,"text":"然後並於一個月 兩週改為一個月好有嗎 我這邊沒有我們這邊沒有文字修正好152案我們主決議文字修正後通過來 我們這邊主席台這邊要有資料好153案"},{"start":8318.758,"end":8321.265,"text":"改组决议好 我们修正后通过154案"},{"start":8327.386,"end":8353.06,"text":"好 那就500沒有 這個是先保留好不好 先保留因為我還是建議那個委員本人在現場會比較因為助理講的時候大家也不太清楚到底真相怎樣好不好好 那我們153案如果沒有達成共識的就保留153案我們保留因為他們有書記長在啦154案改組決議委已經同意好 修正通過 組決議修正後通過"},{"start":8355.357,"end":8378.016,"text":"155案委員已經同意修正文字改組決議改成組決議然後有修正文字改組決議然後這個文字有經過的委員同意嗎有文字修正後通過156案"},{"start":8382.018,"end":8398.445,"text":"這個部分我們還要再跟委員溝通一下那要保留157案157案遵照辦理這樣通過158案這個部分也需要再跟委員溝通一下也還沒有溝通那我們158案保留159案159案"},{"start":8407.29,"end":8429.415,"text":"一個月改三個月那我們有跟邱委員報告邱委員有口頭有答應啦改一個月改三個月倒數第四好那我們一個月改成三個月那修正後通過好謝謝委員160案好我們結束好那經濟部結束了要溝通趕快去溝通喔"},{"start":8435.778,"end":8442.08,"text":"保留的還可以啦 趕快去做溝通137溝通完畢了是不是過了過了 我們現在已經到勞動部了接下來是勞動部"},{"start":8461.341,"end":8486.058,"text":"160案委員同意改組決議有改組決議嗎改組決議已簽署改成組決議修正後通過161案遵照辦理召喚通過162案遵照辦理召喚通過163案組決議有修正部分文字委員已簽署改組決議本來就組決議有修正部分文字文字修正後通過"},{"start":8488.353,"end":8502.245,"text":"164案 遵照辦理 遵照通過165案 遵照辦理 遵照通過166案主決議文字有調整 我願意簽署文字修正後通過"},{"start":8504.451,"end":8522.642,"text":"167案 遵照辦理召喚通過168案 遵照辦理召喚通過169案 遵照辦理召喚通過170案有修正部分文字我願意簽署文字修正後通過171案 遵照辦理召喚通過172案 改組決議已經簽署改組決議修正後通過173案 改組決議已經簽署"},{"start":8531.886,"end":8541.771,"text":"改組決議改組決議好173案改組決議修正後通過有有有有我們才會處理174案改組決議已簽署修正後改組決議修正後通過175案175案還在跟翁委員溝通爭取175案保留176案改組決議已簽署"},{"start":8561.58,"end":8582.039,"text":"改成主決議修正後通過177案改主決議簽署改主決議修正後通過178案改主決議簽署改成主決議修正後通過170那勞動部 案子到這邊結束 謝謝接下來我們請農業部"},{"start":8595.752,"end":8612.111,"text":"好 那農業部第179案那179案因為那個翁委員我們提供他的已經提供他資料了那我們是希望好 那我們就沒有 他就是接受他就是那我們先保留好了好 先保留好了"},{"start":8616.393,"end":8634.617,"text":"180 改組決議那委員已經同意改組決議修正後通過181 改組決議修正後通過182 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議修正後通過183 改組決議"},{"start":8640.714,"end":8667.7,"text":"好 那改成主決議修正後通過加書面報告來 改書183案改成書面報告沒有 主決議加書面報告主決議加書面報告好 那修正後通過好 那184案那改主決議加書面報告好 改主決議加書面報告修正後通過185案"},{"start":8670.566,"end":8680.803,"text":"180案也是改組決議加書面報告改組決議加書面報告修正後通過186案委員也同意改組決議加書面報告"},{"start":8682.396,"end":8698.863,"text":"改組決議加書面報告修正後通過187案委員同意改組決議加書面報告改組決議加書面報告修正後通過188案遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理"},{"start":8705.376,"end":8728.241,"text":"那個委員也修正文字就是本來就主決議的文字修正後通過192案文字修正文字修正後通過193案也是委員同意文字修正文字修正後通過194案委員也同意文字修正文字修正後通過"},{"start":8730.626,"end":8739.084,"text":"195案委員同意文字修正文字修正後通過196案委員同意文字修正文字修正後通過"},{"start":8742.724,"end":8766.991,"text":"197案委員同意文字修正文字修正後通過198案委員同意文字修正文字修正後通過199案遵照辦理招案通過200案遵照辦理招案通過201案遵照辦理招案通過202案文字修正委員同意文字修正後通過203案改組決議"},{"start":8772.645,"end":8782.751,"text":"委員同意改組決議203案改組決議修正後通過204案委員也同意改組決議加書面報告204案改組決議加書面報告修正後通過組決議委員同意就組決議不用書面報告最後一案就組決議就好204案改組決議修正後通過謝謝農業部謝謝 謝謝委員接下來請衛福部"},{"start":8821.401,"end":8825.642,"text":"好 衛福部從第205案開始205案已經獲五委員同意改組決議改組決議修正後通過206案"},{"start":8836.967,"end":8852.624,"text":"也謝謝黃委員同意改組決議改組決議修正後通過207案也是吳委員已經同意改組決議改組決議修正後通過208案遵照辦理召喚通過209案召喚通過210案"},{"start":8858.929,"end":8870.522,"text":"211案有關於要撤離能不能直接通告的部分有跟他們討論過就修正以後可以通過那文字修正後通過謝謝王委員211案"},{"start":8874.15,"end":8895.396,"text":"也是王委員文字修正文字修正後通過文字修正後通過212案遵照辦理招案通過213案遵照辦理招案通過213案遵照辦理招案通過214案遵照辦理招案通過215案"},{"start":8901.631,"end":8916.296,"text":"因為是徐委員因為他說一個月我們是不是有一些文字上的修正215可以215可以215可以 純照辦216215 照案通過照案通過照案通過他是主決議"},{"start":8929.389,"end":8929.889,"text":"對 沒關係 對 還可以對"},{"start":8945.512,"end":8968.936,"text":"照原來的215案就是照案通過對216案是希望一個月改成三個月時間上還有書面報告可以吧一個月比較趕可不可以三個月我們就三個月書面報告三個月書面報告好 謝謝"},{"start":8972.337,"end":8997.898,"text":"好那第216案我們主決議我們改三個月書面報告謝謝委員那其他文字不做變動修正後通過好217案也是三個月然後書面報告2217有一個月對對對一個月改三個月都一樣不改文字文字不要改就是三個月對"},{"start":9002.466,"end":9023.734,"text":"217案我們改成三個月內提書有三個月有 他有一個月內就是三個月內提書面報告修正後通過謝謝委員218案也是一樣一個月改成三個月書面報告書記長我們一樣"},{"start":9025.875,"end":9043.27,"text":"218案我們改成三個月內提書面報告修正後通過謝謝委員219案也是一樣那個一個月改成三個月然後書面報告好那219案我們改三個月內提書面報告修正後通過220案"},{"start":9046.882,"end":9073.071,"text":"220案委員有同意做文字修正220案文字修正後通過221案遵照辦理召喚通過222案那個委員已經同意修正文字改主決議222案改主決議修正後通過223案賴委員也同意改主決議修正通過改成主決議修正後通過224案"},{"start":9076.143,"end":9091.096,"text":"委員已經同意改三那個五五百五百案然後併通案對對兩百二十"},{"start":9093.699,"end":9097.52,"text":"選多少500案併通案3、500萬改成3、500萬併通案對併前面的那個媒體對 第一案3、500對對對對對對"},{"start":9122.321,"end":9130.247,"text":"這是我們這個 對對然後科目我們自行調整對對好對對對好對對對好"},{"start":9151.241,"end":9167.266,"text":"這個是業務費 這是業務費前面比例的個案子對對對 啊這一個科的是這邊修的是業務費對 照這個文字就對了對 照這個文字就好了對"},{"start":9174.034,"end":9174.675,"text":"我們是在業務費裡頭啊"},{"start":9192.133,"end":9200.495,"text":"對…沒錯 是…如果梅薰山270你們這邊就在幣對…意思是這樣對…"},{"start":9223.55,"end":9233.12,"text":"來 這個一個完整的文字給我們好嗎他們說前面的梅軒的5%是167啦來 他們算一下算一下"},{"start":9239.107,"end":9241.628,"text":"167 文宣會 前面的沒宣是167162.7"},{"start":9267.824,"end":9272.006,"text":"第224案 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就指控說是我們的問題這樣子那我們幾乎都我們那種全海域的調查幾乎是等於還是荒蕪的地步所以這個部分是不是能夠請委員支持那跟委員報告就是說"},{"start":9512.991,"end":9537.923,"text":"我們跟委員溝通大概溝通到就是委員有談到說那是不是凍結10億改書面那我是請求說能不能把這個10億的凍結數再稍微下修因為10億的話會讓我們分散下去的時候幾乎所有的標案都變成保留訣標那如果能夠下修那是不是就可以來支持我們這樣子好來 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嚴格取締這點是可以杜絕差不多一半以上的問題但是我今天我們不是在討論這個內容我們今天是來討論說預算該怎麼樣做所以我們把精神留在預算上面那我尊重提案人的想法所以我建議還是保留"},{"start":9903.482,"end":9930.621,"text":"好那沒關係那我們就保留協商我還是因為謝謝我們林委員那麼他也是非常的委婉也非常誠懇因為有其他的提案人不在場以下我們的慣例都會尊重那是說剛剛針對剛剛的內容我也有部分認同剛剛林委員的說法就是說水文調查是一個基礎但是預防海染被破壞我們要有其他的強力的作為我之前也在兩天前看到TBS的報導"},{"start":9931.562,"end":9954.684,"text":"是美国的一个智库他们所去了解的现在他们甚至中国的船舶透过变更AIS的识别系统冒充俄罗斯的船来靠近我们的海域像现在这样的新闻层出不穷比如说对方是千方百计的在探测我们的弱点"},{"start":9955.655,"end":9977.754,"text":"如果大家看過侏羅紀公園那個第一集我印象很深那一隻暴君恐龍都不斷碰電網大家看嘛看哪裡沒有電那這種情況之下我們國家的一個通訊跟國防安全如果沒有一個水文基礎來做支撐那我也覺得剛剛林委員說的除了這個預算的執行之外是否在其他的相關的法令的強化譬如說AIS"},{"start":9978.697,"end":9991.759,"text":"他這個識別系統他如果是冒充身份那我們有沒有什麼法令對於這樣冒充身份的傳播就可以及時的駕馭做一個強制處置就像說警察在抓"},{"start":9992.772,"end":10019.708,"text":"強盜小偷他這個當然是要有一個對身份盤查發現假冒身份就要有合理的懷疑了我是說剛林委員說的沒有錯的確在其他的法令作為我們要強化但是我還是要強調一下在這樣的基礎必須有一個對自己本國周邊海域的水文的了解的基礎上我們才有辦法有效的去執法大概這一點也跟林委員做回應我是某種程度認同你的主張我也希望海委會這部分要繼續加強"},{"start":10020.929,"end":10046.552,"text":"海嵐七法應該已經送到大院了到時候再要請委員們支持我最後一次發言我認為剛剛提的有關AIS還是有關假船級的問題全部都是其實這應該是航港局交通部應該去好好處理的事情那我們今天針對預算我們針對這個特別預算我們先不要離題了那我們針對預算繼續審下去我還是維持尊重提案人的意見保留好 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