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但這計畫到底怎麼落實現在也沒有辦法做到進一步的證實"},{"start":395.738,"end":422.152,"text":"但是我們也希望經過美國的這個計畫我們跟美方還有我們國內的航商三方跟我們交通部還有外交部取得共同的聯繫掌握第一個時間的訊息希望能夠協助他們所以院長意思是我們只能看美國的因應方案我們才能對我們的海運界因為有幾百艘船都在那裡各國都有那你有什麼好的方法嗎因為現在我們是要講海運對不對其實空運也一樣"},{"start":423.112,"end":437.429,"text":"油價一漲,航空公司第一件事是什麼?減班跟停飛那請問也是要交通部有沒有掌握現在整體運輸市場的變化那目前運輸業實際上受到衝擊程度為何補貼有沒有準備好,那我們票價會不會漲?"},{"start":439.315,"end":450.562,"text":"我們從2月28日以後就充分掌握中東地區所有機場開放的情形那現在已經大部分全部或是局部的開放我講的不是中東機場我講的是因為油價的原因"},{"start":454.825,"end":482.123,"text":"所以全球的空運尤其是空運不用講民航就是講空運的這個價格一定會大漲那因為油價大漲的原因是不是因為這樣你去做減班跟停飛那我想請問這方面的補貼準備好了沒有票價會不會漲民航票價會不會漲那針對整個航空界不管是民航還是空運有沒有受到影響請製展來說明我先說明我們每個禮拜都會對中東衝突的民生"},{"start":482.894,"end":501.803,"text":"專案進行檢討那當中都有提到這個部分請市長來說明我跟委員做一個說明我跟委員特別提到的航空的這個票價的這個問題喔那這部分剛才院長也特別提到行政院每個月大概都有就這個召開相關的因應的一個會議"},{"start":502.663,"end":522.813,"text":"在那個因應的會議裡頭原則上一個大原則就是先讓請中油先來吸收然後相關的這個油價上漲的部分由政府來編列相關的預算來加以支持所以原則上在國內的航空的票價上是維持不漲的"},{"start":523.553,"end":545.705,"text":"因為我聽到一個消息就是說有些國家好像日本跟泰國他們已經針對說譬如說我們的華航還是長榮還是新宇飛到他們的機場他們是除非你自己帶油在那邊加不然他是不讓你在當地機場加油的那請問因為他們說現在油對他們來講是已經是所謂的國家戰略物資"},{"start":547.566,"end":559.635,"text":"我們中華民國在目前的狀況上面是不是有一樣的因應措施我們有沒有把我們的燃料當作一種國家戰略物資來去做儲存還是我們有沒有這條線的存在呢"},{"start":562.13,"end":577.319,"text":"有關國際航空燃油的部分,國際航空是有掌握的,目前對於國際航空加油這件事情還不是很大的問題。"},{"start":579.04,"end":604.2,"text":"我會期待就是說因為其他國家已經在做我們有注意到這樣的問題未來可能這件事情不是只是注意到可能要開始準備因為我們真的不知道赫普茲海峽什麼時候開那變成說油價對於我們對於全球的國家來講現在被他卡在那邊之後這個如果我們不去先前去做一個部署的話其實會很傷那其實我不管講到海運也好還是空運也好"},{"start":605.661,"end":620.311,"text":"現在海運空運的這個擁捨這些塞車已經都不是未來的問題是現在我們就面臨到的而且實質上民眾現在就承受到這個壓力那我們政府上面有數據要拿出來有備用方案要拿出來"},{"start":620.731,"end":646.746,"text":"有劇本要跟我們講清楚因為現在我在問這個不是因為我個人的關心而已而是所有的航空界運輸業都在關心這個事情那我講幾個國際案例好了我們最近這幾年有關疫情的時候其實美國就直接在疫情的時候港口大塞車那他們直接怎麼處理直接讓洛杉磯港24小時運作聯邦政府出面協調整個物流鏈中央出手他們中央出手效率就來"},{"start":647.406,"end":664.218,"text":"在日本呢他們針對能源價格波動他們政府直接補貼運輸業燃料成本先穩住票價我想我們現在也在做一樣的事情穩住民生再顧市場那新加坡更乾脆那新加坡我知道他們現在港口還在大塞車甚至每一個航班每一個"},{"start":666.86,"end":694.212,"text":"海運的航班都已經延遲到10天甚至是20天的那個時間所以這一點來講新加坡他們之前已經長期建立所謂的戰略儲備智慧物流系統任何風吹草動他們都有及時的數據他們是提前先準備不是事後再反映那我想請問說針對這現代的困境我們的資料在哪裡機制在哪裡準備在哪裡我再一次跟委員說明剛剛次長有一個說明這個應該恐怖我們是每週"},{"start":695.353,"end":718.01,"text":"每週禮拜一早上都會進行中通充足的民生專案的會議由外交部、交通部、經濟部、衛福部、農業部、法務部以及公平會依序報告所面臨的一些問題他們解決的方式那從一開始包括塑膠原料不足塑膠袋不足等等一直到"},{"start":719.333,"end":747.542,"text":"對中油這個油氣的掌握都依序在進行已經連續六個禮拜連續六個禮拜中油的油價已經沒有調整由中油吸收的已經到達一百四十一億以上那這個還會持續我們希望暫時趕快的結束但是他一定會持續一段時間所以我已經要求我們對油對氣的掌握不只是現在到五六七八月沒有問題要進行到今年的第四季"},{"start":747.982,"end":773.144,"text":"提前做好部署做好全面的需求我們每個禮拜都有這樣的數據院長剛剛提的是說至少到今年八月到目前為止我要求到第四季都要做好部署那目前是到八月嘛到八月應該有跟天然氣都沒問題七月八月雖然不是百分之百但是我們已經有相當的這個比例已經完成了在七月我記得已經接近百分之八九十了八月目前還在進行當中那我要求進行到第四季"},{"start":773.464,"end":796.207,"text":"要全面的安全的存量跟能夠有多少的郵寄能夠掌握到各種船要進來數量完全掌握本席對於院長願意跟我們講這件事該給予高度的肯定因為這件事全是謝謝我們每個禮拜一都會有公開的訊息因為這件事蠻重要的我們每個禮拜一都有公開的訊息因為我們這件事情全國民眾都要聽"},{"start":797.728,"end":820.166,"text":"一般的訊息管道出來跟院長口中講出來是不一樣的那我們期待說院長今天講出來的讓民眾安心但是我們還是希望說能夠都到位政府會持續關注跟努力絕對不讓民生發生這種恐慌之雨再來院長本席是基隆選區的立委那所以說本席又曾經在基隆港服務過所以本席對基隆港一向都是特別關心"},{"start":820.786,"end":836.659,"text":"因為基隆港是全世界難得的天然糧港但是基隆市的腹地又特別少所以我們貨運基本上來講要做精緻貨運要把它精緻化把它功能最大化所以我就想講說"},{"start":838.56,"end":854.586,"text":"應該是15年前的政策吧,15、16年前的政策,所謂東客西貨,這個政策還在嗎?那如果有我們西岸的土地規劃在哪裡,到底怎麼規劃?就是這個東岸跟西岸?東岸是客運,西岸是貨運,東客西貨,這個政策還在嗎?"},{"start":859.281,"end":879.199,"text":"我想會加進來是郵輪啦郵輪會增加一些啦增加一些郵輪來靠港但是貨運的部分因為有台北港它的吞吐量越來越大但是我知道要把基隆的貨運全部的讓它移到台北港那是不可能的因為這裡還有很多的產業所以"},{"start":880.146,"end":892.541,"text":"而貨運在這裡要維持基本的量能讓我們增加的是比較更高品質的觀光郵輪能夠進到基隆港來改變整個基隆港的這個風貌老實講因為我對這件事蠻關心的就是說現在院長剛剛講到郵輪郵輪現在三艘就滿了"},{"start":898.348,"end":916.376,"text":"三艘東岸就已經全部停滿而且甚至說要靠到西岸去所以我們知道空間是嚴重不足的那我們現在最精華的地在幹嘛在放雜物我講的是基隆港C6碼頭那我想老實講我就直接問這其實我是覺得說這跟執行力有很大的關係"},{"start":917.256,"end":931.713,"text":"因為我們知道西四到西六的碼頭的旅運複合商業大樓108年說要招商那2021年說招商說明會很順利那2026年到目前為止還在準備中"},{"start":933.103,"end":957.859,"text":"老實講我會覺得說哪裡很可惜因為高雄港的那個旅運大樓當初我在港公司任職的時候說高雄港那個弧度像一隻鯨魚一樣的高雄港比較難蓋要花比較多錢但它已經落成好幾年了但基隆港現在西市到西陸碼頭還是一片空那我想請問這個到底招商卡在哪裡是沒有這個市場嗎還是"},{"start":960.376,"end":976.686,"text":"我們執行歷史出的狀況那有沒有確切時間表把我基隆西岸最精華的西四到西六碼頭來去做一個招商之後做成一個商業式複合大樓把所有CIQS都放進去把基隆港的土地能夠好好活化利用呢"},{"start":978.888,"end":994.582,"text":"請次長回答所以我希望部長今天到這邊因為這對我來講很重要那次長我相信有一定的權限代表但是請次長回答吧是啊我想我跟委員盡可能的一個說明那如果有不足的部分我在另外準備書面的資料來跟委員做詳細的一個說明"},{"start":995.623,"end":1022.068,"text":"原則上基隆港的一個發展也是委員特別提到的朝向著東岸客運 西岸貨運的方向這樣的一個政策目前仍然在持續的執行中所以現在還在 都科學還在還在執行的中至於講到說那個西岸的這個貨運碼頭有關類似像高雄港的旅客這個遊客中心的一個這樣的一個規劃招商目前是"},{"start":1022.788,"end":1037.302,"text":"正在洽詢有意願的業者來投資有沒有明確的時間表因為這點很重要我記得這個案子當初差一點成型的時間是2013年"},{"start":1039.844,"end":1054.362,"text":"那時候本席還在基隆港服務那到現在已經過了13年那想請問這個旅運大樓港務公司一天到晚跟我講旅運大樓那請問現在怎麼樣 有沒有時間表"},{"start":1055.584,"end":1071.178,"text":"我跟委員報告原則上我們也很急所以目前正在洽詢相關的業者有意願的業者來做相關的投資那這一部分我們會盡速來把這樣的一個投資案主責單位還是搞公司嗎"},{"start":1072.634,"end":1087.179,"text":"主責單位還是稿務公司?稿務公司那我就期待說之後會後提供確切時間表跟相關資料然後主責單位我會好好問清楚那再來我想問因為我們剛講東客西貨這個政策如果還在執行的話"},{"start":1087.859,"end":1106.854,"text":"西岸的貨運剛剛院長我們也講你也講了說希望能夠保持一定的量甚至如果能夠增加但是增加的話台北港可能拿一些其他的量過去但是基隆港本席身為基隆的立法委員我們當然希望基隆的工作機會留在基隆不是跑到台北港去早上4點"},{"start":1108.629,"end":1122.908,"text":"搭車去台北港然後再塞車回來院長同情的人很累啊所以說這點來講我也想問說因為最近這個海運快遞專區請問院長是不是支持他繼續擴大在基隆"},{"start":1124.414,"end":1147.123,"text":"留在基隆因為這樣講那個海運快意專區目前在基隆港基隆港現在規劃四條線已經有三條在正式營運了尤其是說現在電商、載經濟、化淨物流的需求是越來越高的而且這些貨物都是價值高的貨物在基隆一方面這個對我們基隆有兩條高速公路基隆有接兩條高速公路"},{"start":1147.483,"end":1174.433,"text":"一高跟三高都在基隆可以都可以到了基隆所以基隆的貨運到北部至少到新竹之前都是最快最方便的所以海運快遞專區在基隆能夠生根發芽甚至把它茁壯不是對基隆港對我基隆人來好我們基隆會因為這樣多一些工作機會不用到台北去擠上班可是這樣來做的時候也會把整個國家的物流鏈的速度加快"},{"start":1174.913,"end":1191.472,"text":"那我想請問就是說是否能夠擴大海運快遞的專區的能量跟支線呢海運快遞應該也是現在一個這個時代一個生活上跟產業上需要的一個運送的方式跟交易的行為那如果在"},{"start":1192.413,"end":1213.138,"text":"這個地方的處理量能上沒有問題我們當然希望能夠產業發展但是快遞這個部分我們更期待的是要增加他整個入關的安全上的一些必要的一些保障那所以必須要有這些設置那這些設置如果在區域的港區裡面都能夠完成的話那麼能夠發展地方的這個業務的特色"},{"start":1215.359,"end":1229.511,"text":"那應該是我們交通單位會來跟地方政府還有港務局一起來合作的謝謝院長有正面的回應因為這不只是物流我剛剛講過是我基隆人的工作機會我多留一個基隆人在基隆工作我覺得多一個家庭在基隆吃飯就好"},{"start":1230.552,"end":1257.571,"text":"那這樣子做的話台北現在我等一下會談到的東西就是有關國道客運的問題那如果實質上增加基隆人在地的就業機會讓基隆人留在基隆上班這是最實際的發展基隆的方式那再來我就必須要聊到我想市長我以前在交通委員會的時候我們常在聊那我跟部長也時常在聯絡所以我今天蠻期待看到部長的我知道部長在忙但是我是很期待因為這個國道客運的問題啊其實有點麻煩"},{"start":1258.411,"end":1288.031,"text":"因為老實說現在因為生活方式的關係所以大家如果不搭捷運就自己開車變成是說但是北積北逃那我們都一直聽到說交通部現在在推路網優化聽起來很好聽但是民眾很害怕因為害怕是什麼呢優化變驚險驚險變不見所以我現在問幾個具體的問題中短程的國道客運路線整併何時啟動整體的騎乘是什麼北積北逃的評估報告出來了沒有"},{"start":1290.232,"end":1308.981,"text":"我想跟委員報告有關這個北極北逃或中短途的目前真是由公路局相關的單位在做相關的研議那研議完了以後呢會盡速的找業者來開會那就後續的入網如何整併如何優化大家來共同來討論"},{"start":1310.081,"end":1336.116,"text":"因為本期進來立法院之後我曾經不只在第一會期我就請交通部協助曾經對他們的運價補貼做出調漲這樣是符合不只是這樣子雖然表面上是對業者方便實質上是能夠多開班次對我基隆人能夠比較方便一點可是目前來講以基隆10萬通勤人口請問整併入網之後應該是更方便呢還是應該更難等呢"},{"start":1336.856,"end":1353.204,"text":"整併完了以後應該是說更符合當地基隆市民通勤的需求而不是說整併了以後就變成減班應該不是朝這個方向來規劃那我們現在講到就講到深水區有關國道客運的深水區現在最大的問題從來都不是路線而是沒有人開車"},{"start":1358.972,"end":1379.497,"text":"駕駛、護駕、護理師跟駕駛都是現在認為是超級血汗工作那我想請問有沒有具體招募方案有沒有流財機制在哪裡國道客運司機現在越來越少那請問我們交通部有什麼作為如果連人力問題都無法解決的話再好的路網規劃最後面都只會停在紙上"},{"start":1380.646,"end":1406.307,"text":"我跟委員報告有關委員特別提到有關大客車的人力的部分公路總局有一個徵才的一個方案那一個方案目前他是一定期間的一個來一報交通部來核定交通部現在一個指示就是說既然客運的司機是缺工的所以我們希望他們常態性的辦理所以剛才委員特別提到的不管是在來受訓的時候"},{"start":1407.088,"end":1433.513,"text":"有相關的一定的薪資的補貼或者是久任有留才的獎金等等的都在這個方案裡面有所規劃我們的了解目前透過這個方案進來的駕駛人有一定的數量我就必須把這件事點明了我們從制度面提出一個更基本的問題目前據我所知財政比較優渥的縣市像是台北新竹市區公車補助是一萬四一個車司機補助一萬四到兩萬一個月國道客運多少只有四千"},{"start":1434.073,"end":1456.014,"text":"所以結果是什麼呢?結果是司機全部都往補貼高的縣市跑國道客運長期缺司機最後面就是這些跨縣市通勤族受害那因為財政弱勢的縣市,像我基隆市沒有餘裕去提出更吸引司機的補貼政策導致司機全部都跑去比較補貼比較多的縣市造成市場嚴重失衡"},{"start":1457.011,"end":1478.415,"text":"部長 院長 這不是市場問題 這是制度的設計問題我在這邊直接建議中央做三件事第一件事 統一價值的補貼制度第二件事 避免人力集中第三件事 確保跨縣市的運輸穩定院長 桃園到台北 基隆到台北"},{"start":1478.975,"end":1497.649,"text":"這個高速公路多塞我想院長絕對都知道部長一定知道院長絕對更知道那如果多一點人國道客運的班次如果多一點多一點人當國道客運的話我們是不是針對這個塞車就可以有比較有效的解決呢我必須要提醒我們交通部這次的優化不能變成所謂的變相削減因為最後如果是"},{"start":1498.869,"end":1522.486,"text":"減班、砍路線、通勤品質下降那這個路網優化的政策不是沒有優化這是讓第一線的民眾承擔成本最後被受害還是有通勤組基隆通勤組有多少人市長知道嗎基隆36萬人有多少人通勤組你知道嗎11萬將近三分之七的基隆市人口天天早上就在那邊塞車天天晚上回去塞車桃園也有10萬"},{"start":1524.912,"end":1525.573,"text":"所以為了要達到這個功能"},{"start":1549.993,"end":1575.159,"text":"這個車輛 車輛宿 駕駛員都必須要有一個從長的規劃那區域之間如果造成這種因為財政能力的不平均造成他都容易吸引的話那對於這些財政能力比較差的我想我們能夠共同計畫來做一個區域合理駕駛人薪資的一個合理的規劃看能不能從區域裡面來做一個平衡但這個有賴各地方政府能夠有共同的想法才可以"},{"start":1575.499,"end":1600.912,"text":"我覺得這個台北市跟基隆市要把它拉到一起我認為台北市也不見得願意因為它這樣可以遭到很多人所以我希望台北市政府能夠以大代小發揮這種精神至少是個方向我覺得這個是很重要的事情然後我在最後剩下一點時間我也來談那個我認為非常重要的事情我剛剛講過基隆港為什麼一直剛剛講西四西六荒廢很可惜因為基隆真的沒有地"},{"start":1601.852,"end":1622.613,"text":"院長也去過基隆好幾次,市長也去過基隆好幾次我講一些比較現實的事情基隆不是不想發展,是沒地方發展把八成到九成的山坡地所有交通都集在市中心所以本席我記得在第二會期的時候我有提出來從七堵到基隆的鐵路地下化"},{"start":1623.374,"end":1638.771,"text":"這核心價值不是在於說交通改善而是說我們現在看到的基隆河谷廊帶整體計畫發展捷運路線跟周邊建設的發展的土地都需要發展的建設都需要土地所以我們更需要說如果可以從七堵"},{"start":1639.471,"end":1660.309,"text":"開始鐵路地下化 一路直接到基隆火車站釋放被鐵路切割跟佔用的都市廊帶空間讓產業進駐 交通便捷 我們基隆代兼啦所以說像我知道 我很羨慕宜蘭宜蘭已經核定高架化那同樣問題 我也想請教院長說基隆為什麼不能呢"},{"start":1662.011,"end":1682.948,"text":"基隆到七堵的地下化不太可能由地方自己負擔一定需要中央支持那院長也去過基隆基隆中間那一塊其實基隆的地最精華的地都是鐵軌如果能把鐵軌地下化把這邊這個基地把它釋放出來的時候基隆市的都跟各方面要讓基隆市變得跟橫濱一樣漂亮那是很有機會的"},{"start":1684.955,"end":1713.197,"text":"所以說這一點來講我想誠懇請教院長行政院是否願意支持基隆到七堵鐵路地下化後續的推動報告委員中央政府都很樂見地方依照他的市政的藍圖交通的需求再評估未來興建財政的規劃跟分配提出一個可行性的評估出來那麼再送中央來做審查至少我蠻肯定院長對這件事有一個正面的回答"},{"start":1714.449,"end":1731.017,"text":"這件事對於基隆不是只有交通不只是交通包括整個都市發展整個產業發展然後最後面我在這邊講到只剩兩分鐘62號加到國三這個工程其實我覺得蠻重要因為我們知道62號即將延伸到那個萬里"},{"start":1732.378,"end":1756.989,"text":"那其實這邊在62號如果說有一條引道能夠接北上到國三的話這個其實不是大工程但效果非常大現在北海岸觀光一來禮拜六禮拜天甚至有一次市長好像去考察的時候也就直接塞在基金路上面了現在北海岸觀光一來基金交流道直接癱瘓那我講一句比較生活化的人還沒有到海邊心情就壞了"},{"start":1759.77,"end":1776.935,"text":"所以說62號延伸到萬里的規劃什麼時候做有沒有具體的時程如果有的話拜託這條引道62跟國三直接接上去的引道可以直接拯救大武倫三萬居民的日常"},{"start":1778.373,"end":1795.278,"text":"我希望中央可以盡快推動然後不要讓地方問題一直卡著每天早上上班都很辛苦當初大五輪區大五輪那個區塊都市規劃的時候可能不到六千人現在三萬人住在那邊報告委員這個2024年陳建仁院長的時候就已經核定了"},{"start":1796.258,"end":1816.188,"text":"延長到萬里道金山的可行性62延長到萬里道金山的可行性這已經請交通部在做這個綜合規劃當中那您說的大概就這一段嘛對那如果可以的話就是62號跟三高其實他們沒有直接接上來那有一個新的只要只要只要有一條引道從62號跟三高直接接上來的話"},{"start":1817.526,"end":1845.083,"text":"在大五輪那三萬人口上班也比較方便如果從台北到萬里去觀光的人應該是重新的一個路段我跟委員報告原則上台六十二延伸到萬里的這個剛才院長特別提到可行性也已經核定了原則上就是從國三馬東系統交流到那裡插出所以我不知道的委員剛才講說連接"},{"start":1867.845,"end":1871.248,"text":"好好 謝謝謝謝林委員 謝謝卓院長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:27:36.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:27:39.861000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請卓院長跟陳世凱部長。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-12T10:27:39.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:27:42.921000+08:00","text":"請卓院長備詢，陳部長請假，由次長代理。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:27:48.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:27:49.576000+08:00","text":"那先請卓院長吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:27:49.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:27:51.317000+08:00","text":"因為其實是滿奇怪的。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-12T10:27:52.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:27:53.038000+08:00","text":"卓院長請備詢。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:27:59.323000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:27:59.583000+08:00","text":"林委員好。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:28:00.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:28:00.824000+08:00","text":"卓院長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:28:01.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:28:11.092000+08:00","text":"其實我這個事情剛剛剛好……因為是今天是交通組的質詢，我滿期待陳世凱長本人可以到這邊，想請問他為什麼今天沒到呢？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:28:12.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:28:12.653000+08:00","text":"請次長來說明。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:28:16.655000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:28:54.461000+08:00","text":"因為我知道他是用個人理由，媒體一直跟我講他今天去參加淡江大橋通車典禮，但是我記得上禮拜賴總統已經去過一次通車典禮了，今天老實說，我認為部長要在國會接受質詢，卓院長本人也擔任過立法委員，一個部長應該在國會接受立法委員的質詢，這是最基本的禮貌，也是最基本的職責。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:28:54.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:29:05.864000+08:00","text":"今天我們沒有看到陳世凱部長，不是只對於我個人而已，而是對於我們整個立法院、甚至對於卓院長的一種不尊重，卓院長認為是不是這樣？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:29:05.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:29:08.265000+08:00","text":"以你當年當立法委員的經驗來說呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:29:10.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:29:52.504000+08:00","text":"當然總質詢是每個會期重要的一個議程的進行，部會首長出席總質詢是義務也是責任，今天或許因為淡江大橋是早上十點鐘要進行祈福典禮，雖然我們在上禮拜已經完成了整個通車的典禮，但因為這也是一個地方的大事，所以陳部長有依照程序，都會向秘書長請假，我都一再的要求一定要跟大院韓院長或是秘書長來做表示，說他因為某種公務而請假，徵求同意，這個也請委員見諒。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:29:52.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:30:16.017000+08:00","text":"卓院長，老實說，如果是地方的大事，我認為像剛剛蘇巧慧委員跟張宏陸委員，甚至我們這些新北市的立法委員理應都應收到邀請，但是我聽說，當然也是媒體轉述跟我講的，有發媒體通知，卻沒有邀請任何的地方代表，這樣是不是哪裡不對勁呢？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:30:16.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:30:45.965000+08:00","text":"這個請委員能夠了解，前天晚上已經舉行過一次非常大的典禮了，5月9號晚上舉行很大的一個典禮，當場也有表演、也有致詞，總統也到場、我也到場、侯市長也到場、朱副市長也到場、很多委員也到場，有幾萬人在現場，那也是一個正式的通車典禮，而今天早上是通車之前一個比較簡單的祈福典禮。","quality":0.992},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:30:45.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:31:03.471000+08:00","text":"老實講，我會認為這是對於立法院的不尊重，我覺得這是蠻顯而易見的，常常有一句話是這麼講的：There's a white elephant in the living room and nobody talks about it.就是明明有一隻白大象在客廳裡面，然後沒有人去談牠。","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:31:04.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:31:34.342000+08:00","text":"我現在先用一點時間把陳部長不在的這件事釐清楚，我記得沒錯的話，現在時間是10點31分，理論上11點整的時候，他跟林福山局長還要在吉普車上面通過淡江大橋，我覺得這樣一個形式性的作為，其實對社會觀感……至少對立法院我們這些交通組質詢的委員們的觀感是不好的，我跟院長報告這個事情。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:31:35.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:32:08.632000+08:00","text":"這個部分真的要請林委員見諒，但是依法部長因公有必要行程，是由次長來這裡代為答詢，我們也請次長一定要依照委員答詢的內容能夠秉實依據政策做說明，希望能夠給委員詳實的答案，如果有答復不周或不完全的地方，事後容許我們再以書面方式給委員答復，我也請陳部長再跟委員做必要的溝通，希望委員對今天陳部長在因公沒辦法出席的情況下能夠見諒。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:32:09.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:32:11.513000+08:00","text":"好，我們今天就直接先這樣。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:32:11.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:32:18.539000+08:00","text":"回到我們總質詢的內容，今天既然次長在，我想我所詢問的內容次長都應該可以回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:32:19.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:32:50.856000+08:00","text":"院長、次長及所有的部長們，今天講的事情其實一句話就可以總結，這半年來應該是全世界有史以來、過去八十年來世界上最動盪的時候，全世界在大地震之中，我們不能還在慢慢走，最近不管是中東情勢，還是像荷姆茲海峽這種，全球能源命脈一旦卡住，影響的不是某個國家，而是全世界的物流、油價，甚至是老百姓每天的生活。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:32:51.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:00.605000+08:00","text":"因為本席以前在港務公司服務過，所以我比較好奇的是，船是不是現在還在海上排隊？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:00.785000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:02.246000+08:00","text":"港口是不是還在塞車呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:02.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:04.048000+08:00","text":"航班是不是有減少呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:06.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:08.564000+08:00","text":"荷姆茲海峽當中還塞了很多船。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:08.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:11.385000+08:00","text":"我是說我們臺灣目前有沒有被影響到？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:12.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:16.186000+08:00","text":"行政院有沒有即時掌握全球的塞船狀況？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:16.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:19.988000+08:00","text":"我們海運有沒有減班、有沒有延航、甚至被轉單？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:19.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:26.090000+08:00","text":"有沒有一套應變機制，還是我們只能看到中東的新聞才知道我們海運界應該如何應對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:26.090000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:33:29.211000+08:00","text":"有請院長或次長回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:33:29.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:05.504000+08:00","text":"戰爭所波及的中東地區、荷姆茲海峽，我們所知道的是有數百艘的船還停滯在裡面，我們國家的航商也有8艘權宜輪還停留在裡面，我們經過與航商聯繫，另外美國提出一個航行自由的計畫，希望能夠協助，但這計畫到底怎麼落實，現在也沒有辦法做到進一步的證實，但是我們也希望經過美國的計畫，我們跟美方還有我們國內的航商三方，跟我們交通部及外交部取得共同聯繫，掌握第一時間的訊息，希望能夠協助他們……","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:05.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:10.567000+08:00","text":"所以院長的意思是，我們只能看美國的因應方案，才能對我們的海運界、海運業……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:10.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:16.930000+08:00","text":"因為有幾百艘船都在那邊，各國都有，那你有什麼好的方法嗎？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:17.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:23.675000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們現在講海運，但其實空運也一樣，油價一漲，航空公司第一件事是什麼？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:23.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:24.876000+08:00","text":"減班跟停飛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:25.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:29.242000+08:00","text":"也是一樣，請問交通部有沒有掌握現在整體運輸市場的變化？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:30.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:32.826000+08:00","text":"目前運輸業實際上受到的衝擊程度為何？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:33.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:34.508000+08:00","text":"補貼有沒有準備好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:35.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:35.429000+08:00","text":"票價會不會漲？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:35.429000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:37.315000+08:00","text":"交通部次長也可以回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:37.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:34:46.121000+08:00","text":"我們從2月28號以後，充分掌握中東地區所有機場開放的情形，現在已經全部或局部的開放。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:34:46.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:35:04.293000+08:00","text":"院長，我想你有點搞不清楚，我講的不是中東機場，而是因為油價的原因，所以全球的空運，尤其是空運，不用講民航，就是空運的價格一定會大漲，是不是因為油價大漲這樣的原因去做減班跟停飛？","quality":0.785},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:35:04.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:35:06.634000+08:00","text":"我想請問這方面的補貼準備好了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:35:08.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:35:09.816000+08:00","text":"民航票價會不會漲？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:35:10.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:35:16.360000+08:00","text":"針對整個航空界，不管是民航還是空運，有沒有受到影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:35:16.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:35:16.741000+08:00","text":"好，待會請次長說明。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:35:16.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:35:24.076000+08:00","text":"我先說明，我們每個禮拜都會對中東衝突的民生專案進行檢討，當中都有提到這個部分，請次長說明。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:35:25.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:35:27.477000+08:00","text":"我跟委員做個說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:35:28.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:35:39.803000+08:00","text":"有關委員特別提到航空票價的這個問題，這部分剛才院長也特別提到，行政院每個月都有就這個問題召開相關的因應會議。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:35:40.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:36:00.793000+08:00","text":"在因應會議裡頭，一個大原則就是請中油先吸收，相關的油價上漲部分，由政府編列相關的預算來加以支持，所以原則上國內航空的票價是維持不漲的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:36:01.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:36:23.705000+08:00","text":"因為我聽到一個消息，就是有些國家，好像日本跟泰國已經針對譬如我們的華航，還是長榮，還是星宇，飛到他們的機場，除非你自己帶油在那邊加，不然它是不讓你在當地機場加油的，因為他們說現在油對他們來講已經是所謂的國家戰略物資。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:36:25.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:36:30.209000+08:00","text":"請問，我們中華民國在目前的狀況上面，是不是有一樣的因應措施？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:36:30.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:36:37.615000+08:00","text":"我們有沒有把我們的燃料當作一種國家戰略物資來做儲存，還是我們有沒有這條線的存在呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:36:40.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:36:55.319000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，有關航空燃油，尤其是國際航空燃油的這部分，其實我們國籍的航空是有掌握的，所以目前來講，對於國籍航空加油的這件事情，還不是一個很大的問題。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:36:57.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:36:59.482000+08:00","text":"我會期待，因為其他國家已經在做了。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:37:00.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:37:02.184000+08:00","text":"是，我們有注意到這樣的問題。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:37:02.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:37:19.778000+08:00","text":"未來這件事情不是只是注意到就好，可能要開始準備，因為我們真的不知道荷姆茲海峽什麼時候開，變成油價對於我們、對於全球的國家來講，現在被它卡在那邊之後，如果我們不預先去做部署的話，其實會很傷。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:37:19.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:37:46.655000+08:00","text":"其實我不管講到海運也好，還是空運也好，現在海運、空運壅塞、塞車已經都不是未來的問題，是現在我們就面臨到的，而且實質上民眾現在就承受到這個壓力，我們政府有數據要拿出來，有備用方案要拿出來，有劇本也要跟我們講清楚，因為現在我問這個問題不是因為我個人關心而已，而是所有的航空界、運輸業都在關心這個事情。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:37:47.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:37:57.201000+08:00","text":"我講幾個國際案例好了，最近這幾年疫情的時候，其實美國的港口就大塞車，他們怎麼處理？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:37:57.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:38:04.746000+08:00","text":"直接讓洛杉磯港24小時運作，聯邦政府出面協調整個物流鏈，他們中央出手，效率就來了。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:38:05.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:38:12.751000+08:00","text":"在日本，針對能源價格波動，他們政府直接補貼運輸業燃料成本，先穩住票價。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:38:12.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:38:16.574000+08:00","text":"我想我們現在也在做一樣的事情，穩住民生再顧市場。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:38:16.714000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:38:30.122000+08:00","text":"新加坡更乾脆，我知道他們現在港口還在大塞車，每一個海運的航班都已經延遲到10天、甚至是20天的時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:38:30.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:38:41.507000+08:00","text":"所以就這一點來講，新加坡之前已經長期建立戰略儲備智慧物流系統，任何風吹草動他們都有即時的數據，他們是提前先準備，不是事後再反應。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:38:42.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:38:47.310000+08:00","text":"我想請問，針對現在的困境，我們的資料在哪裡、機制在哪裡、準備在哪裡？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:38:47.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:39:09.785000+08:00","text":"我再一次跟委員說明，剛剛次長有一個說明應該是口誤，我們是「每週」禮拜一早上都會進行中東衝突民生專案會議，由外交部、交通部、經濟部、衛福部、農業部、法務部以及公平會，依序報告所面臨的一些問題，以及他們解決的方式。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:39:11.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:39:21.314000+08:00","text":"從一開始，包括塑膠原料不足、塑膠袋不足等等，一直到對中油油氣的掌握，都依序在進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:39:25.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:39:33.338000+08:00","text":"中油的油價已經連續6個禮拜沒有調整，由中油吸收的部分已經高達141億，這個還會持續。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-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text":"所以我現在問幾個具體的問題，中短程的國道客運路線整併何時啟動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:48:41.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:48:42.869000+08:00","text":"整體的期程是什麼？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:48:42.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:48:46.011000+08:00","text":"北基、北桃的評估報告出來了沒有？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:48:46.011000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:48:48.592000+08:00","text":"請次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:48:48.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:49:06.981000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有關北基、北桃或中短途的，目前正由公路局相關的單位在做相關的研議，研議完了以後會儘速找業者來開會，就後續路網如何整併、如何優化，大家共同來討論。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:49:08.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:49:34.096000+08:00","text":"因為本席進來立法院之後，我在第一會期就請交通部協助，曾經對他們的運價補貼做出調漲，不只是這樣子，雖然表面上是對業者方便，實質上是能夠多開班次，對基隆人能夠比較方便一點，可是目前來講，以基隆十萬通勤人口，請問整併路網之後應該是更方便，還是應該更難等呢？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:49:34.856000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:49:45.561000+08:00","text":"整併完了以後，應該是說更符合當地基隆市民通勤的需求，不是說整併以後就變成減班，應該不是朝這個方向來規劃。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:49:46.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:50:04.474000+08:00","text":"我們現在就講到深水區，有關國道客運的深水區，現在最大的問題從來都不是路線，而是沒有人開車，護理師跟駕駛現在都被認為是超級血汗的工作，我想請問有沒有具體的招募方案？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:50:05.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:50:07.675000+08:00","text":"留才機制在哪裡？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:50:07.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:50:11.636000+08:00","text":"國道客運司機現在越來越少，請問交通部有什麼作為？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:50:11.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:50:17.477000+08:00","text":"如果連人力問題都無法解決的話，再好的路網規劃最後面都只會停在紙上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:50:18.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:50:41.265000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，委員特別提到有關大客車人力的部分，公路總局有一個徵才方案，那個方案目前是一定期間報交通部核定，交通部現在指示，既然客運司機是缺工的，所以我們希望他們常態性辦理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:50:41.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:50:56.350000+08:00","text":"所以剛才委員特別提到，不管是再來受訓的時候有相關一定薪資的補貼，或者是久任有留才獎金等等，都在這個方案裡面有所規劃，據我的了解，目前透過這個方案進來的駕駛人有一定的數量。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:50:56.410000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:51:00.731000+08:00","text":"次長，剛剛講到獎金，我就必須把這件事點明，我從制度面提出一個更基本的問題。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:51:00.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:51:12.954000+08:00","text":"目前據我所知財政比較優渥的縣市，像是臺北、新竹市區公車一個司機一個月補助1萬4,000元到2萬元，國道客運只有4,000元，所以結果是什麼呢？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:51:13.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:51:21.482000+08:00","text":"結果是司機全部都往補貼高的縣市跑，國道客運長期缺司機，最後面就是這些跨縣市通勤族受害。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:51:22.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:51:33.994000+08:00","text":"因為財政弱勢的縣市，像我們基隆市，沒有餘裕提出更吸引司機的補貼政策，導致司機全部都跑去補貼比較多的縣市，造成市場嚴重失衡。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:51:35.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:51:51.890000+08:00","text":"部長、院長，這不是市場問題，這是制度設計的問題，我在這邊直接建議中央做三件事：第一件事，統一駕駛的補貼制度；第二件事，避免人力集中；第三件事，確保跨縣市的運輸穩定。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:51:52.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:52:09.245000+08:00","text":"院長，桃園到臺北、基隆到臺北的高速公路有多塞，我想院長絕對知道，部長一定知道，院長絕對更知道，如果多一點人當國道客運駕駛、國道客運的班次可以多一點的話，針對塞車是不是就可以比較有效的解決呢？","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:52:09.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:52:26.436000+08:00","text":"我必須提醒交通部，這次優化不能變成所謂變相削減，因為如果最後是減班、砍路線、通勤品質下降，路網優化政策不但沒有優化，還讓第一線民眾承擔成本，最後面受害還是通勤族。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:52:27.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:52:30.419000+08:00","text":"基隆通勤族有多少人，次長知道嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:52:30.419000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:52:35.523000+08:00","text":"基隆36萬人中有多少人是通勤族，你知道嗎？11萬。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:52:35.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:52:40.486000+08:00","text":"將近三分之一的基隆市人口天天早上都在塞車，天天晚上回去塞車；桃園也有10萬。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:52:40.486000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:52:41.699000+08:00","text":"這是很迫切的問題，當然以部來講，這是a piece of cake（一塊小蛋糕），但是事實上來講，這對通勤的那一個人來講，這很重要，因為11萬人就是11萬個家庭。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:52:41.699000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:52:42.912000+08:00","text":"院長，這個其實很重要的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:52:42.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:53:33.139000+08:00","text":"是，委員所提的就是我們大眾運輸的功能跟任務目標，為了要達到這個功能，車輛數跟駕駛員都必須從長規劃，區域之間如果因為財政能力不平均，造成它容易吸引的話，對於這些財政能力比較差的，我想我們能夠共同計畫來做一個區域駕駛人合理薪資的規劃，看能不能從區域裡面來做一個平衡，但這個有賴各地方政府能夠有共同的想法才可以。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:53:33.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:53:44.364000+08:00","text":"否則臺北市跟基隆市要把它拉到一起，我認為臺北市也不見得願意，因為它這樣可以招到很多人，所以我希望臺北市政府能夠以大帶小，發揮這種精神……","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:53:44.565000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:53:45.525000+08:00","text":"至少是個方向……對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:53:45.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:53:47.346000+08:00","text":"我覺得這個是很重要的事情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:53:48.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:53:58.892000+08:00","text":"最後剩下一點時間，我來談我認為非常重要的事情，我剛剛講基隆港西四、西六荒廢很可惜，因為基隆真的沒有地。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:53:59.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:54:13.386000+08:00","text":"院長也去過基隆好幾次、次長也去過基隆好幾次，我講一個比較現實的事情，基隆不是不想發展，而是沒地方發展，它有八成到九成的山坡地，所有交通都擠在市中心。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:54:14.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:54:47.400000+08:00","text":"本席記得在第2會期的時候，我有提出從七堵到基隆的鐵路地下化，這核心價值不是在於交通改善，而是我們現在看到基隆河谷廊帶整體計畫發展，捷運路線跟周邊建設發展都需要土地，而我們更需要，所以如果可以從七堵開始鐵路地下化，一路直接到基隆火車站，釋放被鐵路切割跟占用的都市廊帶空間，讓產業進駐、交通便捷，我們基隆才會興盛。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:54:49.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:54:58.289000+08:00","text":"像我很羨慕宜蘭，宜蘭已經核定高架化，同樣的問題，我也想請教院長，基隆為什麼不能呢？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:55:00.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:55:20.928000+08:00","text":"基隆到七堵的地下化不太可能由地方自己負擔，一定需要中央支持，院長也去過基隆，其實基隆最精華的地都是鐵軌，如果能把鐵軌地下化，把基地釋放出來，基隆市的都更以及各方面，要讓基隆市變得跟橫濱一樣漂亮是很有機會的。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:55:22.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:55:32.022000+08:00","text":"所以這一點，我想誠懇請教院長，行政院是否願意支持基隆到七堵鐵路地下化後續的推動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:55:32.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:55:45.372000+08:00","text":"報告委員，中央政府都很樂見地方依照他的市政的藍圖、交通的需求，評估未來興建財政的規劃跟分配，提出一個可行性的評估出來，再送中央做審查。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:55:46.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:55:56.991000+08:00","text":"好，至少我蠻肯定院長對這件事有個正面的回答，因為這件事對於基隆不只有交通，包括整個都市發展、產業發展。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:55:58.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:56:19.582000+08:00","text":"最後，只剩兩分鐘，62號到國三這個工程，其實我覺得蠻重要，因為我們知道62號即將延伸到萬里，其實62號如果有一條引道能夠接北上到國三的話，這不是大工程，但效果非常大。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:56:20.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:56:26.965000+08:00","text":"現在北海岸觀光人一來，禮拜六、禮拜天，甚至有一次次長好像去考察的時候，就直接塞在基金路上面。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:56:27.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:56:34.829000+08:00","text":"現在北海岸觀光人一來，基金交流道直接癱瘓，我講一句比較生活化的，人還沒到海邊，心情就不好。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:56:37.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:56:41.951000+08:00","text":"所以62號延伸到萬里的規劃什麼時候做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:56:42.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:56:43.432000+08:00","text":"有沒有具體的時程？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:56:44.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:57:09.037000+08:00","text":"如果有的話，拜託這條62號跟國三直接接上去的引道，可以直接拯救大武崙3萬居民的日常，我希望中央可以儘快推動，不要讓地方問題一直卡著，每天早上上班都很辛苦，當初大武崙那個區塊都市規劃的時候可能不到6,000人，現在3萬人住在那邊。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:57:09.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:57:24.343000+08:00","text":"報告委員，2024年陳建仁院長就已經核定62號延長到萬里、金山的可行性，已經請交通部做綜合規劃當中，您說的大概就這一段嘛？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:57:24.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:57:29.426000+08:00","text":"對，如果可以的話，就是62號跟三高其實沒有直接接上來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:57:29.426000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:57:29.986000+08:00","text":"那又一個新的？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:57:30.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:57:43.351000+08:00","text":"只要有一條引道，從62號跟三高直接接上來的話，大武崙3萬人口上班也比較方便，如果從臺北到萬里去觀光的人……","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:57:44.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:57:46.513000+08:00","text":"應該是新的路段……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:57:47.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:58:03.063000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，有關台62號延伸到萬里，剛才院長特別提到可行性已經核定了，原則上就是從國三瑪東系統交流道那裡岔出，我不曉得委員剛才講說連接國三究竟是指哪一段，如果是……","quality":0.716},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:58:03.063000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:58:09.244000+08:00","text":"就是瑪東那邊沒有錯，因為剛開始的可行性評估裡面沒有包括這一段，所以綜合規劃裡面如果包括進去，對我們基隆人來說，我們要說謝謝。","quality":0.035},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-05-12T10:58:09.244000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:58:15.425000+08:00","text":"那可能要另外再來討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員沛祥","start":"2026-05-12T10:58:15.425000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:58:21.606000+08:00","text":"可能請次長麻煩……為什麼我要找部長的原因就是這一塊，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"卓院長榮泰","start":"2026-05-12T10:58:21.606000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:58:27.787000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我會請陳部長再跟委員去請教相關的問題，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-12T10:58:27.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-05-12T10:58:29.248000+08:00","text":"謝謝林委員，謝謝卓院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-12T10:58:29.748000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:58:32.890857+08:00","text":"下一位請蔡易餘委員質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-05-12T10:58:33.190857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-05-12T10:58:44.619429+08:00","text":"報告院會，現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是臺北市立成功高中第二批的同學，歡迎他們到立法院參訪。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}